Keeping Pietrangelo After Allen Trade and Tarasenko Injury

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Créé par: dp6154

Équipe: 2020-21 Blues de St-Louis

Date de création initiale: 8 sept. 2020

Publié: 8 sept. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Keeping Pietreangelo,
This is a fresh look after the Allen trade also knowing Tarasenko's health. Also obviously the Blues will get Tarasenko hopefully back as some sort of somewhat impactful player the end of next year but that is no guarantee and they won fine without him so they won't dump like a first on it but they will be looking for a young, cheap offensive talent. I think Dube fits well there in a team that would be interested in one of Gunnarsson or Bortuzzo and the Blues would be happy to give up a 3rd there. I'm sure Calgary is somewhat high on him but I think for a D upgrade and ta 3rd they let that little window in 2-3 years take a dip for improvement now and possibly in 3-5 years

The Tarasenko trade to Ottawa for nothing and signing of a made up tarasenko for 1 year at half the cost is a stand in for LTIR and you should mentally apply his 7.5M in future years and not think I'm handing Tarasenko to Ottawa and making a guy up (I know but how many people don't read these descriptions)
Also I know the Blues don't get a 4th scratch, that's again to facilitate the second half of the season Tarasenko Salary after LTIR

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
De La Rose, Jacob	1	1 000 000 $
Reinke, Mitch	2	800 000 $
Dotchin, Jake	1	750 000 $
Walman, Jake	1	900 000 $
Dunn, Vince	1	2 490 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Pietrangelo, Alex		8	8 750 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Tarasenko, Vladimr		1	3 750 000 $
Steen, Alexander		1	750 000 $

Transactions

STL

OTT

Tarasenko, Vladimir

Détails additionnels:

a buyout leaves too much money to do this, but I think Tarasenko is on LTIR for about half the season so a created Tarasenko signed for 1 year 3.75M is a stand in for the LTIR and this trade is a dump of that

STL

Engvall, Pierre
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (TOR)

Détails additionnels:

allows Tornto to move on of the pricier LDs

TOR

Bortuzzo, Robert
Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (WSH)

Rachats de contrats

Alexander Steen: 3 416 667 $

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	76 178 015 $	306 349 $	425 000 $	5 321 985 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Schwartz, Jaden 5 350 000 $5 350 000 $ AG M-NTC UFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan 1 875 000 $1 875 000 $ C UFA - 3	Perron, David 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2
Sanford, Zachary 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Schenn, Brayden 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 8	Engvall, Pierre 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Bozak, Tyler 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Thomas, Robert 894 166 $894 166 $ (425 000 $$425K) C, AD UFA - 1	Kyrou, Jordan 758 333 $758 333 $ AD UFA - 1
Steen, Alexander 750 000 $750 000 $	Sundqvist, Oskar 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD, C UFA - 3	Barbashev, Ivan 1 475 000 $1 475 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Gunnarsson, Carl 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Pietrangelo, Alex 8 750 000 $8 750 000 $ DD UFA - 7	Binnington, Jordan 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ G UFA - 1
Scandella, Marco 3 275 000 $3 275 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Parayko, Colton 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Husso, Ville 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 2
	Faulk, Justin 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 7
Dunn, Vince 2 490 000 $2 490 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Mikkola, Niko 787 500 $787 500 $ DG UFA - 2
Tarasenko, Vladimr 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
MacEachern, Mackenzie 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Blais, Samuel 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Schwartz, J.	O'Reilly, R.		Perron, D.
		Schenn, B.

Avantage numérique 2
Bozak, T.	Thomas, R.		Kyrou, J.
		Faulk, J.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Barbashev, I.	Sundqvist, O.
	Scandella, M.	Parayko, C.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Steen, A.	O'Reilly, R.

8 sept. 2020 à 12 h 35

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Calgary is not trading Dube at all, and has no interest in trading for what would be their 6LD

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8 sept. 2020 à 12 h 35

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Quoting: Alfie11

Calgary is not trading Dube at all, and has no interest in trading for what would be their 6LD

Beat me to it.

8 sept. 2020 à 12 h 39

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I did a "Tarasenko to LTIR" interactive GM team with a stupid long explanation. I don't think anything more complicated needs to happen than Tarasenko just going on LTIR. If I'm correct in my understanding, the Blues could exceed the cap by that number.

There's no question Tank will start next season (whenever that is) on LTIR. The $7.5 million AAV question is when he'll be ready to get back on the ice. In bluntly short terms I advocated for assuming he's LTIR the whole year and if he's not then it's a pleasant surprise and you figure the cap implications then. But you approach the offseason with the belief you will have his full cap hit as cap relief. Considering this is his 3rd surgery on that shoulder in a 18 month timeframe I don't think that stance is as aggressive as some people who disagree with me would claim.

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8 sept. 2020 à 12 h 54

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Quoting: Blueman96

i mean theyll actually have to move someone if he does comes off it later during the season, but either way him going on LTIR buys them so much time and gives them way more flexibility

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8 sept. 2020 à 13 h 3

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

i mean theyll actually have to move someone if he does comes off it later during the season, but either way him going on LTIR buys them so much time and gives them way more flexibility

With Petro at $9, Dunn at $3.5, and having moved ONLY Jake Allen, with a healthy scratch forward and D-man the Blues would have to clear a hair over $5 million AAV to re-add Tank to the lineup.

No question they'd have to move someone(s). Not ideal, not great. Not impossible. But like I say, that may legitimately never happen and it gives the Blues immediate flexibility and like you say: time. Now the obvious downside would be if Tank is ready and wants to come back you're reliant on a team making a trade with you knowing you HAVE to clear space, so the price would be high.

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8 sept. 2020 à 13 h 7

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Quoting: Blueman96

i do think they have suitors for guys like bozak though especially once they get into season and some competitive teams find out their 3c spot is weak.

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8 sept. 2020 à 13 h 15

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

i do think they have suitors for guys like bozak though especially once they get into season and some competitive teams find out their 3c spot is weak.

Yup! Just takes a single team with a key injury at a spot they need help and then a deal gets done. I'm not saying it'll be easy! But it's a plan anyway. And then you don't lost Petro and sit there staring at Tank on LTIR all year (maybe) from complications, and have an extra $5 million in cap space... etc etc

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8 sept. 2020 à 13 h 17

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Quoting: Blueman96

exactly, and even then i think the blues would just pony up and move a third along with bozak before they really consider trading CP

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8 sept. 2020 à 14 h 31

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Quoting: Alfie11

Calgary is not trading Dube at all, and has no interest in trading for what would be their 6LD

they're no doubt bringing back Forbort and Gustafsson and you think Gunnarsson is worse than both + Hanifin + Kylington ?! (he's probably better than every LD on that roster save obviously Giordano).

That said not interested in losing Dube is fair. I thought it was a fair value and good fit but I don't know every FOs believe in their own respective prospects and even if fans usually waaaaaaay overrate their own prospects or own Gms love of them, it is a thing and other teams fans are going to be the best source of info
So, thank you for the feedback

8 sept. 2020 à 14 h 34

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Quoting: Blueman96

yeah that was the main part of this though finding a young offensive forward for a team that wants a D was a big deal too and that's an open question. I know Tarasenko is estimated out until at least the end of March and with the season next year starting in dEcember or January and trying to be completed including playoffs by august I assumed end of June/mid July so it was at least half the season on LTIR, and everything after that is either cap gravy or hopefully good again (obviously won't be THAT kind of good agan) Tarasenko

8 sept. 2020 à 14 h 38

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Quoting: dp6154

I don’t think Gunnarsson is better than Gio, Hanifin, or Valimaki is right now, and while he might be better than Kylington or Mackey, they’re younger, cheaper, more promising, and don’t require assets to acquire since one’s an RFA and the other is signed already. I doubt we bring back Forbort, and if we bring back Gus it’ll be to play 3RD/PP1 in a limited role that makes full use of his offensive capabilities so there isn’t a conflict there but that’s kinda beside the point. Regarding Dube, he’s proven he’s a more than capable 3rd liner and with his speed and skill he projects to break into the top 6 soon. We don’t have very many young forwards that project as top 6 players so we can’t afford to trade the ones we do have for aging rentals

8 sept. 2020 à 14 h 53

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Quoting: Alfie11

ok well I strongly disagree on the value of Gunnarsson but I do appreciate the feedback and I have edited looking at Toronto because I didn't realize that Dube was that highly thought of in the org. Thank you

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