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Créé par: jtrev
Date de création initiale: sep 7, 2020
Publié: 7 sep 2020 à 11 h 25
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
One can dream! Trades are obviously not equal but I put the main pieces in there. the defense is quite young, but mobile, not small, and hopefully capable. I think the Detroit trade is a stretch, but certainly possible if we include other futures (the purpose of that was to dump Petry's salary and send to his home state).
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Domi, Max55 750 000 $
Evans, Jake21 000 000 $
Juulsen, Noah1900 000 $
Mantha, Anthony56 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Hall, Taylor48 500 000 $
Maroon, Patrick21 500 000 $
Transactions
MTL
  1. Hanifin, Noah
Détails additionnels:
Other add ins as needed
CGY
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Mete, Victor [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Other add ins as needed
MTL
  1. Ehlers, Nikolaj
WPG
  1. Danault, Phillip
  2. Brook, Josh
Détails additionnels:
Other add ins as needed
MTL
  1. 2021 3e round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Byron, Paul
Détails additionnels:
Or similar contending team with space
MTL
  1. 2022 7e round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Weal, Jordan
Détails additionnels:
Anywhere
MTL
  1. Mantha, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
DET
  1. Poehling, Ryan
  2. Petry, Jeff
Détails additionnels:
Other add ins as needed. Petry goes home to detroit, we sne Poehling back to USA.
MTL
  1. 2020 3e round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Chiarot, Ben
Détails additionnels:
Or similar team looking to replace lost defenseman
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MTL
MTL
CHI
STL
MTL
STL
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
OTT
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
COL
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
PHI
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
ANA
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $77 361 309 $0 $3 157 500 $4 138 691 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Hall, Taylor
8 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Mantha, Anthony
6 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Domi, Max
5 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
1 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Maroon, Patrick
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
CGY
Hanifin, Noah
4 950 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
900 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $
DD
RFA - 1

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7 sep 2020 à 11 h 29
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CGY isn't moving Hanifin, Gio isn't a number 1 anymore, dude will be 37 next year do you really think he'll still play 24 minutes every game? No he won't, and they'll need Hanifin to reduce his minutes
7 sep 2020 à 11 h 32
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The add-on for Ehlers would need to be Suzuki or have a deal built around Suzuki or the Jets would have zero interest.
7 sep 2020 à 11 h 36
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Avs decline. Byron is too old, and has too much term.
7 sep 2020 à 11 h 40
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Quoting: Windjammer
The add-on for Ehlers would need to be Suzuki or have a deal built around Suzuki or the Jets would have zero interest.


Your high! Danault + Suzuki is >>>>>>>Ehlers
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7 sep 2020 à 11 h 50
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
CGY isn't moving Hanifin, Gio isn't a number 1 anymore, dude will be 37 next year do you really think he'll still play 24 minutes every game? No he won't, and they'll need Hanifin to reduce his minutes


Fair. With potential Hall interest, Andersson getting a pay increase, Kylington, etc. coming up , and Hamonic/Brodie as UFAs, I was trying to come up with creative ways to make room without sacrificing too much talent. Certainly more would be needed from Habs to entice CGY to consider.
7 sep 2020 à 11 h 53
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Quoting: Richard88
Avs decline. Byron is too old, and has too much term.


I think people underestimate Byron's skillset, and his speed will help him play longer than most think. Certainly his deal is a year longer than most would like, but he would add more complimentary scoring, PK ability, and more veteran presence (over PEB for example who is 35)
7 sep 2020 à 11 h 59
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Quoting: jtrev
I think people underestimate Byron's skillset, and his speed will help him play longer than most think. Certainly his deal is a year longer than most would like, but he would add more complimentary scoring, PK ability, and more veteran presence (over PEB for example who is 35)


PEB costs $1.8m and only has 1 more year. Byron costs double that for 3 more years. Not a good comparison.

We also have plenty of bottom 6 forwards as well. I'd make room for Lehkonen though if you make him available.
7 sep 2020 à 12 h 04
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That’s a no from Detroit. If, Petry wants to come back to Michigan he can do it as a FA. You want Mantha, we want KK or Suzuki.
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7 sep 2020 à 12 h 05
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Quoting: Richard88
PEB costs $1.8m and only has 1 more year. Byron costs double that for 3 more years. Not a good comparison.

We also have plenty of bottom 6 forwards as well. I'd make room for Lehkonen though if you make him available.


I meant more in terms of veteran presence, I'd rather have Byron in the lineup but agreed re: their contracts.

I don't think Habs will give up on Lehkonen yet... we are still waiting for a Burakovsky-like breakout (if that ever happens). Until then we're happy with him playing 3rd line, responsible minutes, and being paid as such.
7 sep 2020 à 12 h 12
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Quoting: Campabee
Your high! Danault + Suzuki is >>>>>>>Ehlers


Lol. A center coming off a meh season is worth more than an established first line winger with a great contract. Hilarious overrating by a Habs homer.
7 sep 2020 à 12 h 20
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Quoting: Windjammer
Lol. A center coming off a meh season is worth more than an established first line winger with a great contract. Hilarious overrating by a Habs homer.


Danault is 7th in GF/60 at 5v5 this season among all centers. He alone is arguably worth more than Ehlers, let alone with Suzuki involved.
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7 sep 2020 à 12 h 38
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Mantha trade is a joke, Detroit isn't trading him but if they did old man Petry surely isn't going to be of interest to them
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7 sep 2020 à 12 h 39
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Quoting: Richard88
Danault is 7th in GF/60 at 5v5 this season among all centers. He alone is arguably worth more than Ehlers, let alone with Suzuki involved.


Danault as a rental has nowhere close to the value of a 24 year old first line winger with a bargain contract for 5 more seasons. That's why the deal would need to be built around Suzuki if anything rather than Danault, other than Suzuki Montreal doesn't really have the pieces that would entice Winnipeg.
7 sep 2020 à 12 h 50
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DET says no, Mantha is Poehling's absolute ceiling which looks unlikely. Petry is old, if he wants to go to DET they can wait to FA.
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7 sep 2020 à 12 h 57
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Quoting: Drw4209
Mantha trade is a joke, Detroit isn't trading him but if they did old man Petry surely isn't going to be of interest to them


Quoting: Alaskan_RedWing
DET says no, Mantha is Poehling's absolute ceiling which looks unlikely. Petry is old, if he wants to go to DET they can wait to FA.


Yes most definitely Montreal would have to add (As i mentioned in the trade), and probably entice with better prospect than Poehling. The only way Detroit would consider trading Mantha anyway is if contract talks stall, or they're blown away by an offer. The point of that was to include American players as centrepieces. Petry could be flipped for more assets anyway.
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7 sep 2020 à 13 h 00
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Quoting: Windjammer
Danault as a rental has nowhere close to the value of a 24 year old first line winger with a bargain contract for 5 more seasons. That's why the deal would need to be built around Suzuki if anything rather than Danault, other than Suzuki Montreal doesn't really have the pieces that would entice Winnipeg.


I LOVE how everyone points out that players are rentals when a trade is proposed for a pending UFA. Teams that trade pending UFA's almost always let the potential trade partner talk with the player before the deal is finalized to see if an extention can be worked out. Besides with the new rules of not being able to attach conditional picks pending an extention. This type of thing will happen even more and/or teams will have to just give market value. Otherwise off season moves will not get done.
7 sep 2020 à 13 h 03
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Quoting: Windjammer
Danault as a rental has nowhere close to the value of a 24 year old first line winger with a bargain contract for 5 more seasons. That's why the deal would need to be built around Suzuki if anything rather than Danault, other than Suzuki Montreal doesn't really have the pieces that would entice Winnipeg.


Well whoever trades for Danault would be daft to do so without discussing an extension first, or at least having an idea of whether he'd be willing to resign first.
7 sep 2020 à 13 h 08
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Quoting: Windjammer
Danault as a rental has nowhere close to the value of a 24 year old first line winger with a bargain contract for 5 more seasons. That's why the deal would need to be built around Suzuki if anything rather than Danault, other than Suzuki Montreal doesn't really have the pieces that would entice Winnipeg.


You’ve realized that your other point was bs and now you’re changing it completely. Homers and their desperation to win arguments.
Taylor Hall is the exception Andy not the rule when it comes to rentals not resigning with the team that “rented” them. Look at how well Kevin Hayes worked out for Philly. He wasn’t even a rental, PHI trades for his rights! If you re-signed Danault, he gains value mightily. I bet most people would agree, Danault with an extension = and maybe even > Ehlers.
Stop using Suzuki’s name. You’e not even in the ballpark. Zuke >> Ehlers.
7 sep 2020 à 14 h 26
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Quoting: HabsFan9
You’ve realized that your other point was bs and now you’re changing it completely. Homers and their desperation to win arguments.
Taylor Hall is the exception Andy not the rule when it comes to rentals not resigning with the team that “rented” them. Look at how well Kevin Hayes worked out for Philly. He wasn’t even a rental, PHI trades for his rights! If you re-signed Danault, he gains value mightily. I bet most people would agree, Danault with an extension = and maybe even > Ehlers.
Stop using Suzuki’s name. You’e not even in the ballpark. Zuke >> Ehlers.


What point have I changed? Montreal doesn't have any player that is worth moving Ehlers for. Suzuki would be the closest, but still requires a significant add or as you say Montreal isn't even in the ballpark.
7 sep 2020 à 15 h 11
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Quoting: Windjammer
What point have I changed? Montreal doesn't have any player that is worth moving Ehlers for. Suzuki would be the closest, but still requires a significant add or as you say Montreal isn't even in the ballpark.


So what you are saying is that Ehlers has more value than Suzuki? We would not do that straight up! Ehlers may be on a team friendly contract, burn he isn’t even at point-per-game! We would want an elite winger who leads our team in scoring, not another undersized guy who wouldn’t.
7 sep 2020 à 16 h 24
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Quoting: jtrev
Yes most definitely Montreal would have to add (As i mentioned in the trade), and probably entice with better prospect than Poehling. The only way Detroit would consider trading Mantha anyway is if contract talks stall, or they're blown away by an offer. The point of that was to include American players as centrepieces. Petry could be flipped for more assets anyway.


I don't think Montreal has to add because it isn't about value.
 
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