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I suspect this will piss everyone off.

I think it helps both teams in the long run.

I signed Holtby to a one year deal and put him on IR.
Would have likely move Debrusk, Grz Halak or Kase to fit him under.
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3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 13
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i dont think edmonton does that but its not outrageous
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 18
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LoL no way does Sweeney make that deal.
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3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 18
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i dont think edmonton does that but its not outrageous


contracts complicate things. Draisaitl's is longer than Pastrnak, but McAvoy is under control. 2m Cap relief helps Edmonton. Gives Bruins center of future.

The Bruins may have to add Debrusk's rights. That's probably too much so balance with a 1st or 2nd rd pick depending on where it is. (top 20 protected)
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 18
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LoL no way does Sweeney make that deal.


why? just curious?
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 21
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Personally id rather have Pasta + McAvoy > Drai + Klefbom

I think McAvoy is just straight up younger and better than Klefbom

Pasta is a better 5v5 player than Drai, better point producer per 60mins than Drai, and much better in his own end too.
https://hockeyviz.com/player/draisle95/EDM/1920
https://hockeyviz.com/player/pastrda96/BOS/1920
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3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 26
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It's an interesting trade offer, to say the least. Part of me likes it because the Bruins would be so strong down the middle and able to move Coyle to RW. But it'd be giving up two cornerstone pieces for one, and I don't think a couple years of Pietrangelo's prime make up for losing McAvoy's best years. Either way, you could make the argument that this team could be better than the current Bruins roster, in the short-term.
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3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 26
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Far more likely to see a deal involving Debrusk for Klef between these 2 teams. Then sign Hoffman to replace Debrusk. If they move on from Krug anyway.

This while interesting to play around with, is just not happening.
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3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 27
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Its obviously very very unlikely, but the value/thought isnt crazy. Gives B's the #1 center for the next 15 years. Gives EDM a #1 D and a wingmate for McDavid. As a B's fan, i personally think Mac is gonna be a substantially better player at his peak than Klefbom is... that being said its an interesting thought, good trade to discuss on here, thanks!
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3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 31
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Quoting: McRanteskog
Personally id rather have Pasta + McAvoy > Drai + Klefbom

I think McAvoy is just straight up younger and better than Klefbom

Pasta is a better 5v5 player than Drai, better point producer per 60mins than Drai, and much better in his own end too.
https://hockeyviz.com/player/draisle95/EDM/1920
https://hockeyviz.com/player/pastrda96/BOS/1920


Is he though? He plays with Bergeron and Marchand who are two ELITE defensive forwards. Not to mention the Bruins have just been a better team.

I agree McAvoy is better, but I think Draisiatl's value as a center puts him above Pasta.

This ONLY works for Bruins if they also Sign Peitrangelo.

I feel like the Bruins have been lacking a true #1 dman since 2013-14. McAvoy will get there and I think he took major steps this year, but they have been good at developing useful dmen. Not so much with Centers.

The thing that would worry me is how much was Chara slowing McAcoy down?
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 35
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Is he though? He plays with Bergeron and Marchand who are two ELITE defensive forwards. Not to mention the Bruins have just been a better team.

I agree McAvoy is better, but I think Draisiatl's value as a center puts him above Pasta.

This ONLY works for Bruins if they also Sign Peitrangelo.

I feel like the Bruins have been lacking a true #1 dman since 2013-14. McAvoy will get there and I think he took major steps this year, but they have been good at developing useful dmen. Not so much with Centers.

The thing that would worry me is how much was Chara slowing McAcoy down?


For every argument that you make that Pasta benefits from playing with Berg + Marchand, I could easily counter by saying that Drai benefits from PP time with McDavid.
It goes both ways
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 43
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Drai>Pasta
McAvoy>>Klef

Value wise, makes sense. Practically, not sure.
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 43
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Quoting: McRanteskog
For every argument that you make that Pasta benefits from playing with Berg + Marchand, I could easily counter by saying that Drai benefits from PP time with McDavid.
It goes both ways


Drai is 2nd in EV scoring this season...
He's much better than Pasta and it isn't even close. Imo Marchand is the best player on that line, without considering age
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 51
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Drai is 2nd in EV scoring this season...
He's much better than Pasta and it isn't even close. Imo Marchand is the best player on that line, without considering age


you looking at even strength point production per 60mins? or just checking the scoreboards like a casual?

https://leftwinglock.com/skater-compare/index.php?skill_input1=Leon+Draisaitl&skill_input2=David+Pastrnak&skill_input3=&skill_input4=&skill_input5=&skill_input6=&skill_input7=&skill_input8=&skill_input9=&skill_input10=&skill_input11=&skill_input12=

^ see for yourself
Pasta EV points/60 mins 3.22
Drai EV points/60 min 3.12

When both players are given the same amount of ice time, even strength, Pasta is better

considering ALL ice time played, Pasta still leads points per 60mins ice time
Pasta 4.29 points/60 mins
Drai 4.11 points/60mins
3 sept. 2020 à 10 h 56
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McAvoy is an elite dmen, you don't trade him or Pastrnak. The gap between Draisaitl and Pastrnak isn't that big, considering 29 is also poor at EV def.
3 sept. 2020 à 11 h 0
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Quoting: McRanteskog
you looking at even strength point production per 60mins? or just checking the scoreboards like a casual?

https://leftwinglock.com/skater-compare/index.php?skill_input1=Leon+Draisaitl&skill_input2=David+Pastrnak&skill_input3=&skill_input4=&skill_input5=&skill_input6=&skill_input7=&skill_input8=&skill_input9=&skill_input10=&skill_input11=&skill_input12=

^ see for yourself
Pasta EV points/60 mins 3.22
Drai EV points/60 min 3.12

When both players are given the same amount of ice time, even strength, Pasta is better

considering ALL ice time played, Pasta still leads points per 60mins ice time
Pasta 4.29 points/60 mins
Drai 4.11 points/60mins


Pastrnak is carried by his linemates, while Draisaitl played with RNH and Yamamoto for much of the season (certainly no slouches but no Bergeron/Marchand.
And per 60 stats means you're not accounting for exhaustion in hockey. When you play significantly more minutes, you also get more tired and your /60 stats go down. Drai, along with McDavid and nuge, are the only offensive weapons in Edmonton. That means that if Drai doesn't score, the team doesn't win. (They managed 1 win all season when Drai didn't score). When Draisaitl played less than 20 minutes in a game this season, he managed a pace over 2 points/game.

A key factor to look at here is xGF/60
As a result of playing with such strong opponents, Pasta's xGF/60 is only in the 41st percentile, down from his GF/60 which is in the 97th percentile. On the other hand, Drai's xGF/60 is in the 86th percentile.
Drai also has a better possession exit%, which means he's better at driving play. Pasta's is much lower because he relies on Marchand to drive the play for him. He's more of a passenger, while Drai is in the driving seat of his line.
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McAvoy is an elite dmen, you don't trade him or Pastrnak. The gap between Draisaitl and Pastrnak isn't that big, considering 29 is also poor at EV def.


I agree, McAvoy is an elite dman. The gap between him and Klefbom is bigger than Drai and Pasta
But saying 29 is bad at EV def means you're not looking at the context. His numbers tanked in December, because he was paired with McDavid. The two played a very offensive game, because they were the only line that was able to score. When removed from McDavid's wing, Drai's EV def numbers were league average (better than Pasta's). That, along with the fact that he's a center (the more valuable position) give him a huge edge over Pasta. But I do agree with your 1st point. Don't trade McAvoy
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Quoting: ken_holland
Pastrnak is carried by his linemates, while Draisaitl played with RNH and Yamamoto for much of the season (certainly no slouches but no Bergeron/Marchand.
And per 60 stats means you're not accounting for exhaustion in hockey. When you play significantly more minutes, you also get more tired and your /60 stats go down. Drai, along with McDavid and nuge, are the only offensive weapons in Edmonton. That means that if Drai doesn't score, the team doesn't win. (They managed 1 win all season when Drai didn't score). When Draisaitl played less than 20 minutes in a game this season, he managed a pace over 2 points/game.

A key factor to look at here is xGF/60
As a result of playing with such strong opponents, Pasta's xGF/60 is only in the 41st percentile, down from his GF/60 which is in the 97th percentile. On the other hand, Drai's xGF/60 is in the 86th percentile.
Drai also has a better possession exit%, which means he's better at driving play. Pasta's is much lower because he relies on Marchand to drive the play for him. He's more of a passenger, while Drai is in the driving seat of his line.


Possession Data
Player GP SAT% USAT%
Leon Draisaitl 71/ 48.1 / 48.2
David Pastrnak 70 / 54.1 / 53.5

Pastrnak more hits, more blocked shots.
Pastrnak played about 4mins per game less, and finished only 15 points behind.
4mins x 70 games is 280 mins of ice time, Pasta scores 15 points in 280mins of ice time no problem

you out here factoring in exhaustion and targeting small things like possession exit%, realllllyyy grasping for straws here lol
3 sept. 2020 à 11 h 12
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Possession Data
Player GP SAT% USAT%
Leon Draisaitl 71/ 48.1 / 48.2
David Pastrnak 70 / 54.1 / 53.5

Pastrnak more hits, more blocked shots.
Pastrnak played about 4mins per game less, and finished only 15 points behind.
4mins x 70 games is 280 mins of ice time, Pasta scores 15 points in 280mins of ice time no problem


If you play on a better team, you have the puck more. I thought that was fairly obvious. It's what you do with the puck that matters, and Drai is much better in that respect.
Pastrnak's /60 numbers would be significantly lower if he had to play 24 minutes everyday, along with PK time (both 4v5 and 3v5). Again, you're not accounting for exhaustion.
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If you play on a better team, you have the puck more. I thought that was fairly obvious. It's what you do with the puck that matters, and Drai is much better in that respect.
Pastrnak's /60 numbers would be significantly lower if he had to play 24 minutes everyday, along with PK time (both 4v5 and 3v5). Again, you're not accounting for exhaustion.


Exhaustion for 24 y/o players is wayyy less a factor than you make it seem
3 sept. 2020 à 11 h 30
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If anyone rejects, its the bruins by a lot. But who knows
3 sept. 2020 à 11 h 43
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I would hope that Holland would not agree to that trade. Edmonton and Boston are at opposite ends of the spectrum, so their relative needs are different. the Oilers are trying to build an organization that can compete for Stanley Cups, Boston is at the tail end of a very respectful run as a Stanley Cup contender, and they want to retain that competitiveness while rejuvenating their core.

Debate the relative value of Pastrnak and Draisaitl all you want, the points back and forth do not change the fact that the Oilers are built in a manner that results in this trade making them weaker up front. The McAvoy for Klefbom component would definitely be attractive to the Oilers, but I don't think so much so that Holland would move away from the core with which his strategy is based upon.
3 sept. 2020 à 11 h 48
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Quoting: McRanteskog

When both players are given the same amount of ice time, even strength, Pasta is better

It doesn't work like that. Not many players can handle the sort of TOI that Draisaitl gets. Leafs fans found this out under Keefe - Matthews' TOI went up but his scoring rates went down. Like this:

Matthews under Babcock: 15:12 per game, 2.74 P/60 (5v5)
Matthews under Keefe: 17:03 per game, 2.17 P/60 (5v5)

Scoring rates are useful for sure, but you can't project from them like you seem to think.
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It doesn't work like that. Not many players can handle the sort of TOI that Draisaitl gets. Leafs fans found this out under Keefe - Matthews' TOI went up but his scoring rates went down. Like this:

Matthews under Babcock: 15:12 per game, 2.74 P/60 (5v5)
Matthews under Keefe: 17:03 per game, 2.17 P/60 (5v5)

Scoring rates are useful for sure, but you can't project from them like you seem to think.


and you seem to think that the difference in Matthews role/ utilization from Babcock to Keefe was just additional ice time? lol
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Pastrnak is carried by his linemates, while Draisaitl played with RNH and Yamamoto for much of the season (certainly no slouches but no Bergeron/Marchand.



Just FYI, 5v5 results from that Draisaitl line were formidible.

Nugent-Hopkins - Draisaitl - Yamamoto: 317:37 TOI (11:45/GP), 5.29 GF/60 - 1.51 GA/60 (77.78 GF%) +3.78 GD/60
Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak: 635:55 TOI (10:25/GP), 4.06 GF/60 - 2.17 GA/60 (65.15 GF%) +1.89 GD/60

Not taking away from your point: Bergeron-Marchand are clearly better players than Nuge-Yamamoto.
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Just FYI, 5v5 results from that Draisaitl line were formidible.

Nugent-Hopkins - Draisaitl - Yamamoto: 317:37 TOI (11:45/GP), 5.29 GF/60 - 1.51 GA/60 (77.78 GF%) +3.78 GD/60
Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak: 635:55 TOI (10:25/GP), 4.06 GF/60 - 2.17 GA/60 (65.15 GF%) +1.89 GD/60

Not taking away from your point: Bergeron-Marchand are clearly better players than Nuge-Yamamoto.


yeah that line was crazy. Was surprised when Tippett didn't reunite them
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