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Parayko-hear me out

Créé par: job
Date de création initiale: sep 2, 2020
Publié: 2 sep à 12 h 48
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Okay, hear me out

Blues want to sign Pietrangelo and have already started clearing space (Jake Allen trade). They still need more space, can't trade Justin Faulk (NMC) and can't really afford/doesn't make sense to have 3 expensive RDs

Blues get 3 young cost-controlled players back.

It may seem like a low return, but remember 1) they need cap space; 2) they would otherwise let Pietrangelo go for free; 3) Parayko only has 2 years left which means he would need to be protected for expansion draft and then can go to UFA that next season

Open to other suggestions that are fair for Parayko (not Nylander cause we've already seen his value is low)
Transactions
TOR
  1. Parayko, Colton
STL
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Petan, Nicolas
  3. Engvall, Pierre
  4. 2020 1e round pick (PIT)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
1681 500 000 $75 283 533 $0 $0 $6 216 467 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Brooks, Adam
725 000 $
C
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Rosén, Calle
750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
STL
Parayko, Colton
5 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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2 sep à 12 h 49
#1
Rejoint: nov 2018
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You might get his skate laces for that, how is his value low? because he would make the leafs better? STL doesnt listen if Nylander/Marner isnt involved
mokumboi, AndrewLadd et Lyle_Bubas a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 49
#2
BigOaf69
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this isn't the WHL, Brooks STINKS
2 sep à 12 h 49
#3
Delusional Leafs Fan
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I heard you out.

...
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...

...

No.
mokumboi a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 49
#4
best poster
Rejoint: jui 2019
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very cool
AndrewLadd, Salzy et Lyle_Bubas a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 50
#5
BaRzAl OfFeRsHeEt
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Just because they’re cost controlled doesn’t mean they’re good
Salzy et mokumboi a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 50
#6
best poster
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i've created a better parayko trade here: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/359106
2 sep à 12 h 50
#7
mokumboi
Rejoint: avr 2019
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I've heard you out. You cannot be serious with this offer.
Salzy a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 50
#8
Jangle29
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This is a straight dog **** return
mokumboi et Salzy a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 50
#9
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Your justification doesn't equate to thinking the Blues move him for cheap. Just because a team needs cap space, doesn't mean the players value drops much if any.

Additionally, without any retention, Johnsson is not worth more then a 3rd round pick if the Leafs are lucky and more likely a 4th.
mokumboi et Salzy a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 51
#10
Jangle29
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I can't see a deal with Parayko not including Nylander
2 sep à 12 h 51
#11
Good Opinion Haver
Rejoint: jun 2018
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You did just see us get a third round pick for our goalie right? Even though teams knew we were up against it and the goalie market is flooded with options?

We will get fair value for Parayko and that ain't it. Plus it doesn't alleviate any cap issues, really, as Johnsson+Dermott will only be about a million less (if we're lucky) than Parayko
mokumboi a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 51
#12
Rejoint: fév 2017
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change Brooks to TORs 1st and the conversation can at least start.. The main issue is that the only piece TOR people seem to want to move is Johnsson and the Blues really have no real need for a depth winger. Dermott and a 1st are nice pieces but Parayko at 5.5 mil for two more years is MUCH nicer.
2 sep à 12 h 52
#13
Jaromir_Jagr_the_leg
Rejoint: jui 2019
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Faulk can play left side the only question is does dunn want to play a 3rd pair dman position
2 sep à 12 h 53
#14
Rejoint: nov 2017
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one of the worst non troll trades ive ever seen on here

and i lived through the carrick, a 1st and bracco for doughty offseason
BeastModeUnknown et Salzy a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 53
#15
CPDunn Untouchable
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Blues don't need cost controlled players they need Value. Good Value and you aren't giving it here. This is the reason why I said I am not interested in a deal with Toronto anymore because all Toronto wants to offer for Parayko is spare parts, and Blues don't want there great marquee players either because they are so expensive. We can trade Tyler Bozak and we would have enough for Pietrangelo, and maybe getting Steen out helps. Gunnarsson is already gone, so at this point Dunn is 2-3 million on a bridge. It's not that deep we don't need to use Parayko as a cap relief, same with dunn. Bozak and Steen are cap relief.
2 sep à 12 h 54
#16
Jangle29
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1st Johnsson and Liljegren and I think St Louis starts to listen. It even then what's the point when you factor in paying Pietrangelo 3-4 mil more than Parayko
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2 sep à 12 h 54
#17
mokumboi
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Quoting: Jangle29
I can't see a deal with Parayko...



That will suffice, no qualifiers needed. smile
2 sep à 12 h 54
#18
Rejoint: jun 2020
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Or they could trade him somewhere else for triple the return...
2 sep à 12 h 55
#19
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I heard you put & it made sense until I actually saw the return. Jesus that's bad
mokumboi et Salzy a aimé ceci.
2 sep à 12 h 55
#20
Jangle29
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Quoting: mokumboi
That will suffice, no qualifiers needed. smile


They would be crazy not to move him when a team decides to massively overpay for him this summer. Could happen
2 sep à 12 h 57
#21
mokumboi
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Quoting: Jangle29
They would be crazy not to move him when a team decides to massively overpay for him this summer. Could happen



Crazy, huh? My friend, you are drunk on wishful thinking. Let it go already. He's not available, and by your own logic, he just got a lot less available.
2 sep à 12 h 58
#22
Rejoint: aoû 2020
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As a Leafs fan, this isn’t anywhere close. Parayko would cost at least Nylander or a package that include’s the 15th OA pick.
2 sep à 13 h 00
#23
Rejoint: fév 2019
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blues probably buy out steen and it might also help that Tarasenko could be on LTIR for quite some time. if they really want to keep pietro, they can do it without clearing paraykos contract. the issue is probably more related to contract structure as opposed to cap hit. I'm not sure how cash wealthy or poor STL is, but i assume they would not want to give out a huge front loaded SB heavy contract which he probably wants. I dont think im gonna comment on the trade because everythings been said already
2 sep à 13 h 01
#24
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Quoting: AndrewLadd
Just because they’re cost controlled doesn’t mean they’re good


Yeah "cost control" is a little misleading when Nic Petan is making like 900K or something to play in the Minors.
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2 sep à 13 h 03
#25
Rejoint: mar 2017
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That's just a really bad offer. If the Blues placed parayko on the block 20 teams will offer a ton to land him
 
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