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Créé par: Eddy
Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 1 sept. 2020
Publié: 1 sept. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
These deals help both teams IMO. If the value is slightly off adjust picks or throw in a minor prospect/fringe player. JJ to Minny has already been discussed and they need to make a move for a goalie. Guerin likes JJ. Getting 6 `6 hometown Bjugstad for a center hungry team is a nice bonus. Anyone who says he is a cap dump who doesn`t have positive value is ridiculous. Moving Dubnyk is also a plus. Pitt can let him play out year (or flip?) and then have Desmith backup next year. Brodin is a good player but only has 1 yr remaining and is UFA.

Devils need D and scoring wingers. They have too many centers and prospects and need to start making moves for established NHLers. Zacha is a piece they can afford to move and they can replace their 3C with a veteran in free agency (ie. Soderberg, Haula, Eakin) or trade or move Hughes back to center and roll Hughes-Hischier-Zajac as top 3C. McCann in an elevated role with Hischier or Hughes could be a steal.

Pens get faster and younger (Kap, Zacha) while also bringing in some tough veterans (Buf, Maroon).

Team has depth and can let younger guys have big roles in Wilkes instead of sitting not playing in Pitt. It`s too bad Poulin couldn`t play in the AHL. I think he is too good to play in the Q but not quite ready to make enough of an impact in the NHL. It may work out if the CHL plays its season earlier than NHL that he can play CHL and then jump to NHL (or AHL - he`ll be 20 In Feb) midseason after CHL is done for the year.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1700 000 $
1700 000 $
1750 000 $
33 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 000 000 $
13 000 000 $
1700 000 $
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Brodin, Jonas
  2. Dubnyk, Devan
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (MIN)
MIN
  1. Bjugstad, Nick
  2. Johnson, Jack
  3. Murray, Matt [Droits de RFA]
  4. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
2.
PIT
  1. Zacha, Pavel
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
NJD
  1. McCann, Jared [Droits de RFA]
  2. Pettersson, Marcus
  3. Riikola, Juuso [Droits de RFA]
Enfoui
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2020
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
2021
Logo de PIT
Logo de MIN
Logo de NJD
Logo de PIT
Logo de ANA
2022
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $76 746 667 $0 $1 062 500 $4 753 333 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
4 166 667 $4 166 667 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
2 166 667 $2 166 667 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
RFA - 2
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
700 000 $700 000 $
AD, C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
700 000 $700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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1 sept. 2020 à 22 h 8
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No they don't. At best Dubynk = Johnson (which it doesn't b/c Dub has 1 more year on his deal when Johnson has 3). That means Murray+Bjugstad+5th does not equal Brodin+3rd.
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No they don't. At best Dubynk = Johnson (which it doesn't b/c Dub has 1 more year on his deal when Johnson has 3). That means Murray+Bjugstad+5th does not equal Brodin+3rd.


As I explained. Guerin doesn`t see Johnson as a cap dump. He is a cheaper replacement for Brodin. The only way Murray Bjugstad and 5th doesn`t equal Brodin and a 3rd is if the Pens say no that`s not enough. This trade is acceptable for both teams and makes sense for both.
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Because you aren`t capable of making a valid argument against anything here...
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Yeah man this is gonna be it
1 sept. 2020 à 22 h 49
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As I explained. Guerin doesn`t see Johnson as a cap dump. He is a cheaper replacement for Brodin. The only way Murray Bjugstad and 5th doesn`t equal Brodin and a 3rd is if the Pens say no that`s not enough. This trade is acceptable for both teams and makes sense for both.


Murray has had 2 straight bleh seasons and was just benched in the playoffs. His value is veeeeeery low. Don't think MIN is going to trade one of the best shut down dmen in the league for a big question mark.
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Murray has had 2 straight bleh seasons and was just benched in the playoffs. His value is veeeeeery low. Don't think MIN is going to trade one of the best shut down dmen in the league for a big question mark.


Rumors going around that it is exactly what is going to happen so...

Murray didn`t get benched in the playoffs they turned to Jarry for the last game to give a spark and it didn`t work. Murray played well in playoffs and played well going into the break. He had a rough start to the season (his dad died at start of year) and are you forgetting 2 Stanley cups? His trade value is the highest of all available goalies because 1) Age 2) RFA 3) Championship pedigree 4) Cap will be lower than UFA market goalies.

Murray has been an unfair target of "Pens" fans and little kids for a while and I think it got to him. He will be an elite goalie wherever he ends up. If Guerin is targeting Jarry instead then go ahead I`ll gladly keep Murray.
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Yeah man this is gonna be it


Yeah, no.

Break down how you value this trade. Cause I think if you do that you'll realize how terrible it is.

But, before we break it down, let's just look at the top 2 pieces of this trade from the Wild's perspective, Brodin & Murray:
The Wild don't need to make any goalie trades & if they're moving Brodin it's for a massive package or a 1C/potential 1C

Now the value:
Brodin >> Murray, it's a shutdown Dman vs a gamble at G who reportedly wants an outrageous contract

3rd > Bjugstad & 5th, a homecoming doesn't meaning squat if he doesn't have a clear spot. And that's no reason for the Wild to do the pens (a team they want to suck) a favour.

Dubnyk >> Johnson, not only is Dubnyk more valuable than Johnson, the Wild might actually have a spot for him. Yeah, they'll take the more useful player on the better contract every day of the week
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Quoting: Eddy
Rumors going around that it is exactly what is going to happen so...

Murray didn`t get benched in the playoffs they turned to Jarry for the last game to give a spark and it didn`t work. Murray played well in playoffs and played well going into the break. He had a rough start to the season (his dad died at start of year) and are you forgetting 2 Stanley cups? His trade value is the highest of all available goalies because 1) Age 2) RFA 3) Championship pedigree 4) Cap will be lower than UFA market goalies.

Murray has been an unfair target of "Pens" fans and little kids for a while and I think it got to him. He will be an elite goalie wherever he ends up. If Guerin is targeting Jarry instead then go ahead I`ll gladly keep Murray.


Not sure where you get your rumors but Guerin watches and understands hockey, that Wild trade is total garbage.
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NO COMMENT is also a comment. And it says enough.
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Quoting: Eddy
Because you aren`t capable of making a valid argument against anything here...


Because I couldn’t possibly be nice if I critiqued your trade honestly.
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Because I couldn’t possibly be nice if I critiqued your trade honestly.


It's tough to do
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Not sure where you get your rumors but Guerin watches and understands hockey, that Wild trade is total garbage.


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Yeah, no.

Break down how you value this trade. Cause I think if you do that you'll realize how terrible it is.

But, before we break it down, let's just look at the top 2 pieces of this trade from the Wild's perspective, Brodin & Murray:
The Wild don't need to make any goalie trades & if they're moving Brodin it's for a massive package or a 1C/potential 1C

Now the value:
Brodin >> Murray, it's a shutdown Dman vs a gamble at G who reportedly wants an outrageous contract

3rd > Bjugstad & 5th, a homecoming doesn't meaning squat if he doesn't have a clear spot. And that's no reason for the Wild to do the pens (a team they want to suck) a favour.

Dubnyk >> Johnson, not only is Dubnyk more valuable than Johnson, the Wild might actually have a spot for him. Yeah, they'll take the more useful player on the better contract every day of the week


Murray/Jarry to Minny has been a rumor for months. The original Zucker trade included JJ and Jarry. Guerin was with Pens before, likes JJ and Murray/Jarry. Guerin said they are not happy with goaltending and they want/need to upgrade this offseason.

Now to value:

Prime aged elite RFA 2-time Cup winning goalie >>>>>>>>> Top 4 Shutdown D on expiring contract
Johnson/Dubnyk is a wash. Johnson as 3rd pairing D is fine. Dubnyk sucked last year. You`re welcome for taking him without retained salary.
Bjugstad and a 5th for a 3rd? You do realize Barclay Goodrow got a 1st round pick right? Bjugstad is bigger, better and has more potential than him. His injury concerns are overblown. Guerin would also understand this from his time in Pitt.

I`m quite certain that this is very similar to what the trade will look like. And I do think that this is the team Murray/Jarry will go to based on rumors, GM-GM relationship and fit for all players involved. This is real life eh? Sorry this isn`t GM mode and trades are defined by little bars of made of value. Even though I think this trade would probably go through on there as well.

We`ll see. Give it a couple weeks.
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Murray/Jarry to Minny has been a rumor for months. The original Zucker trade included JJ and Jarry. Guerin was with Pens before, likes JJ and Murray/Jarry. Guerin said they are not happy with goaltending and they want/need to upgrade this offseason.

Now to value:

Prime aged elite RFA 2-time Cup winning goalie >>>>>>>>> Top 4 Shutdown D on expiring contract
Johnson/Dubnyk is a wash. Johnson as 3rd pairing D is fine. Dubnyk sucked last year. You`re welcome for taking him without retained salary.
Bjugstad and a 5th for a 3rd? You do realize Barclay Goodrow got a 1st round pick right? Bjugstad is bigger, better and has more potential than him. His injury concerns are overblown. Guerin would also understand this from his time in Pitt.

I`m quite certain that this is very similar to what the trade will look like. And I do think that this is the team Murray/Jarry will go to based on rumors, GM-GM relationship and fit for all players involved. This is real life eh? Sorry this isn`t GM mode and trades are defined by little bars of made of value. Even though I think this trade would probably go through on there as well.

We`ll see. Give it a couple weeks.


Lmfao
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To say it nicely Wild Pass:
Murray = 2nd. JJ = (-)2nd as a cap dump, so their value is a wash.
Bugjstad = Dubnyk both are rental cap dumps that are gambles.
So that leaves Brodin+3rd to get a 5th from PIT.
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Quoting: Eddy
Murray/Jarry to Minny has been a rumor for months. The original Zucker trade included JJ and Jarry. Guerin was with Pens before, likes JJ and Murray/Jarry. Guerin said they are not happy with goaltending and they want/need to upgrade this offseason.

Now to value:

Prime aged elite RFA 2-time Cup winning goalie >>>>>>>>> Top 4 Shutdown D on expiring contract
Johnson/Dubnyk is a wash. Johnson as 3rd pairing D is fine. Dubnyk sucked last year. You`re welcome for taking him without retained salary.
Bjugstad and a 5th for a 3rd? You do realize Barclay Goodrow got a 1st round pick right? Bjugstad is bigger, better and has more potential than him. His injury concerns are overblown. Guerin would also understand this from his time in Pitt.

I`m quite certain that this is very similar to what the trade will look like. And I do think that this is the team Murray/Jarry will go to based on rumors, GM-GM relationship and fit for all players involved. This is real life eh? Sorry this isn`t GM mode and trades are defined by little bars of made of value. Even though I think this trade would probably go through on there as well.

We`ll see. Give it a couple weeks.


Are you telling me you are either Jim Rutherford or Bill Guerin because if you are I apologize and if you are Guerin don't do it.
 
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