unfortunately that won't get MTL Laine...not even close.
would have to be caufield + 2020 1st + danault or domi + Fleury + MTL 2020 2nd rounder.
hes a 6 foot 5 beast at 22 years old has never had under 50pts or under 25G.....it'll cost a small fortune to get it.

I think you could start the conversation with the first option (Caufield+1st+Danault), but doubt they'd have a ton of interest in the second option.

Definitely going to cost a ton.

no no i meant one of danault or domi lol plus the other stuff at the end.....no way domi+ fluery+ 2nd gets it done haha they hang up.
i would do
caufield+ 2020 1st+ 2020 2nd + danault(extended) + fluery. they might prefer domi because he is younger and put up 72pts as a center.

Gotcha.

Yeah, I'd assume that the likely asking price is something along those lines. Only two things that I would change would be *either* Fleury or the 2nd (I'd take Fleury), and I don't think you'd necessarily have to include an extension for Danault.

And for , I do not know the 7 millionth time, Wings do not want Domi.
There are several reasons.

One inter divisional trade, where you fill a hole on wing and trade a piece made expendable by the emergence of JK and others.

Wings get a center but then loose a winger both things they need. We are rebuilding and have centers but it will take time.

Mete at best is a 3rd ot 4th defenseman.

AL is nice player but he does not move the needle.

Mantha is a power forward, which are rare with his set of hands.

Domi is a smallish center/winger which Wings have, but not a dominant center.

Domi had good wingers and put up good numbers with a more skilled team, whereas Mantha did not have the skilled players around him and put up similar numbers. He will get better as the team improves.

Caufield + 16oa + Danault is "a ton"

(some of these asking prices on Laine are nuts, people)

Mantha closed on a new house in Detroit yesterday. He is not being traded.

Yeah, I guess it's really all about how you value 1 year of Danault, and when you look at it from Winnipeg's side, they really have no reason to move him. If it's me, I'm moving Ehlers over Laine every day of the week.

True, but PK Subban committed to raising $10 mil for a hospital in Montreal, only to be moved a few months later...never say never...

But yeah, Detroit isn't trading Mantha, and they definitely aren't doing it without getting back some serious picks and prospects.

I'm a Habs fan and I think Mete is a borderline Dman on the Habs next year. As it is now, he is after Chariot and Romanov on the depth chart. He'd be fighting with Kulak/Fleury/Juulsen for the last two spots. If Mtl goes and gets another Dman he's definitely not on the team next year. Romanov only signed because the Habs put a no AHL gurantee in his contract.
That being said, Mantha is a very hard player to guage value-wise. His career highs are 25g/48 pts, given he has been injured a lot. Domi's maximums are 28g and 72 pts, and it's easy enough to say he can guarantee 50pts/season.
Personally I think IF Detroit put Mantha on the market this is a very good value for him. That being said, it's clear enough Det doesn't want to let him go. Also, I think Bergy really likes Lehkonen and would prefer not to trade him.

As for all these Winnipeg comments above about how it would take half the Habs team to acquire Laine (40g scorer), you guys are really living in your true covid bubbles eh?

Well, an extended Danault would happen after 2020 draft....so two spins on the deal:

(1) Laine -- for -- Danault (extended) + Caufield + 2021 1st [done after 2020 draft]
(2) Laine -- for -- Danault (1 year) + Caufield + 2020 1st (16oa) + conditional 2021 2nd (if Danualt resigns) [done before 2020 draft]

Somebody mentioned the other day that with the new CBA, conditional picks aren't a thing anymore, but I have no idea if that's true or not.

I thought that was the NHLPA proposal....was it agreed to?

EDIT - looks like it was in CBA...no more conditional picks for player extensions.

No idea. Just remember seeing it here, and I assume that every single thing that's posted here is 100% true, accurate, and should be taken seriously

I'll see if I can find out and get back to you though.

Just read a couple articles....none said conditional picks were eliminated altogether...but they all said the conditional picks were taken out for player extensions (which would include this case).

Just saw the edit. Yup. Also, unrelated to this, but NMC/NTC remain even after a player has accepted a trade. So, in theory, guys like Subban can turn down a trade.

I hear you, anything can happen for sure. A much different situation with PK in MTL, IMO. That relationship seemed strained and we heard that he maybe wasn’t fitting in great in the locker room because of his personal brand or whatever. With Mantha, he clearly has been talking a lot with Yzerman, given he needs a new deal. So he’s not buying a new house unless he has some assurance that the deal is going to get done and he will be here for a while.

Would apply going forward, no? I don't think they'd reattach a NTC to a case like Subban's now, where its already been voided.

For sure. I don't think I've ever heard a Subban-related story that had anything positive to say about his influence in the locker room.

Not really sure tbh. There's not many that I can think of anyway (Stepan, Subban, ???), and I'm assuming PK would accept a trade out of NJ to just about anywhere if he was given the opportunity.

you over value Laine too much. He plays virtually no defense. I'd rather have a guy who's a plus player (i.e. Danault) than a player who can only go one way on the ice. If anything Danault + Caufield + a top pick should be more than enough to land Laine.

Two sections on NTC in new CBA. First sounds vague but says "always" so i am guessing it does, in fact, apply to Subban and Stepan. Second section appears to address covid-related delays in No Trade deadlines.

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CBA §11.8 amended to provide that No-Trade and No-Move clauses shall always travel with the Player in the event of an Assignment (by Trade or Waivers) of the SPC.

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No Trade/No Move Clauses
• A Player who under a provision of his SPC is entitled to submit or who has submitted a “List of Teams” to which he does or does not wish to be Traded (in accordance with the NTC or NMC in his SPC) from March 12, 2020 through the earlier of September 1, 2020 or twenty-one (21) days before the agreed upon date of the 2020 NHL Entry Draft (the “Eligibility Period”) shall be required to submit (or permitted to resubmit) such “List of Teams” by 5:00 p.m. New York time on the earlier of September 15, 2020 or fifteen (15) days before the agreed upon date of the 2020 NHL Draft (the “Resubmission Deadline”). If the date of the 2020 NHL Entry Draft is not known by August 25, 2020, then the end date of the Eligibility Period shall be September 1, 2020 and the Resubmission Deadline shall be September 15, 2020.
• Contracts containing No Trade/No Move Clauses in which the terms of such clause are altered on, or come into effect as of, July 1, 2020, will be deemed amended such that such alteration or effectiveness will occur on the date the parties agree to be the opening of Free Agency (or the corresponding similar date) within the adjusted Critical Dates Calendar.
• Contracts containing No Trade/No Move Clauses in which the terms of such clause are altered on, or come into effect after July 1, 2020, will be deemed amended such that such alteration or effectiveness will occur on the corresponding number of days after the date the parties agree to be the opening of Free Agency.
• Contracts containing No Trade/No Move Clauses in which the terms of such clause are altered on, or come/came into effect prior to July 1, 2020, will be deemed amended such that such alteration or effectiveness will occur on the date before the Stanley Cup Final begins but not prior to the Resubmission Deadline.
• Additionally, contracts containing No Trade/No Move Clauses that were to become effective for the 2020-21 season due to the Player becoming eligible for Group 3 status effective with the 2020-21 season, will not be deemed effective until the date the parties agree to be the opening of Free Agency within the adjusted Critical Dates Calendar.

Detroit does needs a center or two but Detroit needing wingers not so much. They need good wingers like Mantha. Detroit has bunch of bottom 6 wingers and a couple who aren't even bottom 6.

Always trust a lawyer to leave something as vague as possible so that their future earnings are protected by the knowledge that someone will show up some day and dispute the vagueness of the original document

Over payment for Mantha