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Équipe: 2020-21 Jets de Winnipeg
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I feel Chicago would make this trade to create more cap space.
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30 août 2020 à 18 h 52
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Habs take that for sure
30 août 2020 à 18 h 59
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I figure Perrault is a salary dump and I had to sweeten the deal by adding Niku.
30 août 2020 à 19 h 4
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I like the deal you made but I don’t think Chicago does it. If they do I’m all for it though
30 août 2020 à 19 h 7
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Chicago has serious cap problems so you never know lol!
30 août 2020 à 19 h 15
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Not a chance we do that. Smith's buyout is $1M, we aren't giving up a 23 year old 50+ point center to clear $1M of cap for big downgrade in Roslavic
30 août 2020 à 19 h 30
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Well you're gonna have to to something obviously as a Hawks fan you know Chicago is in serious cap hell !
30 août 2020 à 19 h 42
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Not a chance we do that. Smith's buyout is $1M, we aren't giving up a 23 year old 50+ point center to clear $1M of cap for big downgrade in Roslavic


What if the jets add a 3rd or even a 2nd? Or maybe a b prospect like Stanley?
30 août 2020 à 19 h 43
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Chicago has serious cap problems so you never know lol!


Btw, hit the quote button when you reply to a post. That way the other person gets a notification and can respond!
30 août 2020 à 19 h 49
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What if the jets add a 3rd or even a 2nd? Or maybe a b prospect like Stanley?


I would consider adding a prospect or a draft pick to get the deal done .
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30 août 2020 à 19 h 55
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What if the jets add a 3rd or even a 2nd? Or maybe a b prospect like Stanley?


Nope, not close. We will buyout Smith for $1M. If you want Strome, it's Roslavic and your 2020 1st; that is easily fair especially given the Kap trade and Kap is not Strome.
30 août 2020 à 19 h 58
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Well you're gonna have to to something obviously as a Hawks fan you know Chicago is in serious cap hell !


We aren't in cap hell, a simple run at a AGM on here will see how we aren't in cap hit. Let me help you as it is really easy; we buyout Smith and buyout Maatta or trade him or trade De Haan. Two easy moves that don't even require a trade partner. Those moves add over $12M of cap space combined with the existing space of over $7M.
30 août 2020 à 19 h 59
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Our first round pick is top 10 so thats not happening lol but if you want Stanley instead he's yours.
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Nope, not close. We will buyout Smith for $1M. If you want Strome, it's Roslavic and your 2020 1st; that is easily fair especially given the Kap trade and Kap is not Strome.
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30 août 2020 à 20 h 1
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Nope, not close. We will buyout Smith for $1M. If you want Strome, it's Roslavic and your 2020 1st; that is easily fair especially given the Kap trade and Kap is not Strome.


Roslovic is about equal to kapanen (maybe drop the hallander part of the package). Anyways, everyone knows that was a royal overpay. Strome at most is worth about Roslovic and our 2020 2nd. After that, I’m not interested lol. We can draft a player that will be a lot better than strome with that 2020 1st.

The most I would do is strome for Roslovic and 40 oa.

Strome is a 50 pt center whereas Roslovic is a 35 pt winger/c in under 15 minutes a game (and he’s getting better each game). I can bet that he at least gets 40+ pts in strome minutes, especially next to debrincat and Kane.

If the hawks trade strome, you are about to be seriously disappointed if you expect a haul like Roslovic and a top 10 pick.
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30 août 2020 à 20 h 5
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Quoting: ChiHawk
We aren't in cap hell, a simple run at a AGM on here will see how we aren't in cap hit. Let me help you as it is really easy; we buyout Smith and buyout Maatta or trade him or trade De Haan. Two easy moves that don't even require a trade partner. Those moves add over $12M of cap space combined with the existing space of over $7M.


You also have to sign Crawford and Kubalik and Strome and Debrincats new contract kicks in this year as well???
30 août 2020 à 20 h 8
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Nope, not close. We will buyout Smith for $1M. If you want Strome, it's Roslavic and your 2020 1st; that is easily fair especially given the Kap trade and Kap is not Strome.


CHiHawk is putting up a good fight lol.
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Roslovic is about equal to kapanen (maybe drop the hallander part of the package). Anyways, everyone knows that was a royal overpay. Strome at most is worth about Roslovic and our 2020 2nd. After that, I’m not interested lol. We can draft a player that will be a lot better than strome with that 2020 1st.

The most I would do is strome for Roslovic and 40 oa.

Strome is a 50 pt center whereas Roslovic is a 35 pt winger/c in under 15 minutes a game (and he’s getting better each game). I can bet that he at least gets 40+ pts in strome minutes, especially next to debrincat and Kane.

If the hawks trade strome, you are about to be seriously disappointed if you expect a haul like Roslovic and a top 10 pick.


ChiHawk is putting up a good fight lol.
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You also have to sign Crawford and Kubalik and Strome and Debrincats new contract kicks in this year as well???
30 août 2020 à 20 h 13
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Roslovic is about equal to kapanen (maybe drop the hallander part of the package). Anyways, everyone knows that was a royal overpay. Strome at most is worth about Roslovic and our 2020 2nd. After that, I’m not interested lol. We can draft a player that will be a lot better than strome with that 2020 1st.

The most I would do is strome for Roslovic and 40 oa.

Strome is a 50 pt center whereas Roslovic is a 35 pt winger/c in under 15 minutes a game. I can bet that he gets 40+ pts in strome minutes


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Our first round pick is top 10 so thats not happening lol but if you want Stanley instead he's yours.


Strome had 58 points last season and was on pace for 54 points this season (prorated to 82 games). That's better then a 50 point season.

Roslavic was on pace for 33 points this season (prorated to 82 games), and 24 points the season prior.

For a Jets team that needs centers, roslavic couldn't earn ice time like Strome...that isn't saying a lot. These players are the same age, drafted the same year. Strome was #3OA and Roslovic #25OA; there is a reason for that and still is. NHL careers Strome 164 games 105 points; Roslavic 180 games 67 points. These players are NOT close at all and a 2nd round pick doesn't separate them.

Roslovic and a 1st, for Strome and 3rd...this was beaten like a dead horse a month ago on here by both sides fans and most agreed for good reason. Sure, the Jets can hopefully draft Lundell at #10, but Lundell's projection if he pans out is very much like Strome. So you have a sure thing or you take a chance is what it boils down to. The wild card here is whether Roslovic ever turns into anything more then a bottom 6 player and personally I don't think that will happen based on what I've seen of him. Jets fans on here largely agree which is why they are always trading him and searching for a real 2C.
30 août 2020 à 20 h 14
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You also have to sign Crawford and Kubalik and Strome and Debrincats new contract kicks in this year as well???


Again, take the time to run a AGM on here or look at all the Hawks AGMs that have minimal moves; it's very easy to figure this out instead of guessing which you are doing. Hawks don't need to pay teams to take a cap dump like Smith.

Strome and Kubalik will both bridge and both $3.5M to $4M. Crow has already said just this week that he wants to stay in Chicago and he is not focused on how much money he makes, pretty sure Crow re-signs short term (1 to 3 years) for $4M. There's your $12M worse case.
30 août 2020 à 20 h 17
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CHiHawk is putting up a good fight lol.

ChiHawk is putting up a good fight lol.


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30 août 2020 à 20 h 24
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Strome had 58 points last season and was on pace for 54 points this season (prorated to 82 games). That's better then a 50 point season.

Roslavic was on pace for 33 points this season (prorated to 82 games), and 24 points the season prior.

For a Jets team that needs centers, roslavic couldn't earn ice time like Strome...that isn't saying a lot. These players are the same age, drafted the same year. Strome was #3OA and Roslovic #25OA; there is a reason for that and still is. NHL careers Strome 164 games 105 points; Roslavic 180 games 67 points. These players are NOT close at all and a 2nd round pick doesn't separate them.

Roslovic and a 1st, for Strome and 3rd...this was beaten like a dead horse a month ago on here by both sides fans and most agreed for good reason. Sure, the Jets can hopefully draft Lundell at #10, but Lundell's projection if he pans out is very much like Strome. So you have a sure thing or you take a chance is what it boils down to. The wild card here is whether Roslovic ever turns into anything more then a bottom 6 player and personally I don't think that will happen based on what I've seen of him. Jets fans on here largely agree which is why they are always trading him and searching for a real 2C.
30 août 2020 à 20 h 34
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Again, take the time to run a AGM on here or look at all the Hawks AGMs that have minimal moves; it's very easy to figure this out instead of guessing which you are doing. Hawks don't need to pay teams to take a cap dump like Smith.

Strome and Kubalik will both bridge and both $3.5M to $4M. Crow has already said just this week that he wants to stay in Chicago and he is not focused on how much money he makes, pretty sure Crow re-signs short term (1 to 3 years) for $4M. There's your $12M worse case.

Your estimates are to low there is no way kubalik signs for 4 million per and Crawford inot going to take a hometown discount .Strome at 3.5 i will give you that one and dont forgot DeBrincats new contract 6.5
30 août 2020 à 20 h 40
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Your estimates are to low there is no way kubalik signs for 4 million per and Crawford inot going to take a hometown discount .Strome at 3.5 i will give you that one and dont forgot DeBrincats new contract 6.5



Kubalik will do a short bridge, 1 to 2 years, bet on himself to get a very big raise. $3.5M for a 1 year deal OR $4M for a 2 year deal. He wants a long term deal for $6M+, that's his road to do that. Tons of players have had one big year and once the other teams figure him out that player falls fast the following year. Hawks know this.
Crow already quoted this week he will take a discount to stay in Chicago. Do a google search, it's well posted.

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30 août 2020 à 20 h 44
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What about Debrincats new new deal you seem to be avoiding?
30 août 2020 à 20 h 44
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Kubalik will do a short bridge, 1 to 2 years, bet on himself to get a very big raise. $3.5M for a 1 year deal OR $4M for a 2 year deal. He wants a long term deal for $6M+, that's his road to do that. Tons of players have had one big year and once the other teams figure him out that player falls fast the following year. Hawks know this.
Crow already quoted this week he will take a discount to stay in Chicago. Do a google search, it's well posted.

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30 août 2020 à 20 h 46
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Strome had 58 points last season and was on pace for 54 points this season (prorated to 82 games). That's better then a 50 point season.

Roslavic was on pace for 33 points this season (prorated to 82 games), and 24 points the season prior.

For a Jets team that needs centers, roslavic couldn't earn ice time like Strome...that isn't saying a lot. These players are the same age, drafted the same year. Strome was #3OA and Roslovic #25OA; there is a reason for that and still is. NHL careers Strome 164 games 105 points; Roslavic 180 games 67 points. These players are NOT close at all and a 2nd round pick doesn't separate them.

Roslovic and a 1st, for Strome and 3rd...this was beaten like a dead horse a month ago on here by both sides fans and most agreed for good reason. Sure, the Jets can hopefully draft Lundell at #10, but Lundell's projection if he pans out is very much like Strome. So you have a sure thing or you take a chance is what it boils down to. The wild card here is whether Roslovic ever turns into anything more then a bottom 6 player and personally I don't think that will happen based on what I've seen of him. Jets fans on here largely agree which is why they are always trading him and searching for a real 2C.


Roslovic has been playing in the bottom six because maurice won’t play him at center and we have elite wingers in our top 6 already. On many teams, Roslovic would be a top 6 guy and would produce at least 40 pts (probably more). There’s only so much you can do playing 13-14 minutes a game with Lowry and copp in a shutdown role. All jets fans and anyone who has watched roslovic play for a game knows that he is capable of so much more, which he is only starting to show. Imo he will be a 60 pt player in the nhl, it’s just a matter if it’s at c with the jets or at the wing with another club. Roslovic is already a top 6 forward, and if you consider his past offseason improvements, I expect a big step forward from him.

As for strome? Lundell projects to be a selke candidate 1c, better than strome was ever projected to be. Strome is an offensive 2c with minor defensive issues. Lundell’s realistic floor (that is, assuming he isn’t a bust) is a more defensively responsible strome. They aren’t even close tbh.

Strome doesn’t hold his draft pedigree anymore. He was drafted to be a 1c. He at best will be a good 2c. Personally, I don’t see strome being more than a 60 pt center in his prime. Whereas Roslovic has only raised his draft stock since his draft. He is worth more than that 20 something pick he was drafted with. Therefore, the difference now not nearly as small. In fact, the difference is only in time as they both have similar potential.

Also if we were valuing at draft pedigree, it would’ve taken much more than schmaltz to get strome. In fact this deal is quite similar tbh. Schmaltz was a 2c and strome was of equal value to where Roslovic is now. Perlini was worth about a 2nd then imo. So about the same as Roslovic and a 2nd

As for the deal of Roslovic and a first for strome and 3rd? jets fans have been offering a 2021 first not 2020 and sure as hell haven’t been doing it since we ended up with 10th oa. The idea with the Roslovic and a first for strome and 3rd deal is that the first will be late as the jets should be contenders again with a 2c. So it’s Roslovic and a late first (not 10th oa) for strome and a 3rd, and tbh I’m still okay with that. However, I think you probably want the 2020 2nd instead huh?
30 août 2020 à 20 h 46
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What about Debrincats new deal you seem to be avoiding?
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