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If Montreal wants Mantha

Créé par: DatsyukianDekes13
Équipe: 2020-21 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 27 août 2020
Publié: 27 août 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Seen too many underpayments for Mantha... I think the cost to get Mantha would have to be an overpay, looking something like this, although there is no chance Yzerman trades him. Domi could potentially fill the hole at 2C, and his age aligns with both Bert and Larkin. Harris+Primeau are both good prospects, with Primeau potentially filling the hole in net in the future. The 1st being 16th overall means we could shoot for a guy like Amirov. Raymond/Perfetti/Rossi + Amirov/Holloway/Zary would be an amazing boost to our F prospects.

Roslovic and Jost are two guys I have wanted to take a chance on for a while. Fleury could be swapped out with Bean. The trades aren't perfect but I would want something along those lines
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  1. Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
  2. Harris, Jordan [Liste de réserve]
  3. Primeau, Cayden
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MTL)
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  1. Mantha, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Fleury, Haydn [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Svechnikov, Evgeny
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (DET)
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3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
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714 166 $714 166 $ (Bonis de performance157 500 $$158K)
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894 167 $894 167 $
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6 083 333 $6 083 333 $
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 27
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counter with that ,everything but change det 3rd for second rd pick
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 27
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Mantha is a marginal upgrade over Domi in terms of production, but plays a less valuable position. You can't seriously expect this return
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 29
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Mantha is a marginal upgrade over Domi in terms of production, but plays a less valuable position. You can't seriously expect this return


red wings fans think mantha is cam neely before the knee injuries, its wild
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 30
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I don't mind Cholowski but really so far Roslovic has proved more at the NHL level, Hirose has little to no value and when I consider the expansion draft if Cholowski isn't exempt I think this would be an easy pass for me.
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 31
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29 Mantha trades in 2 days and counting
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 34
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Quoting: skriko
counter with that ,everything but change det 3rd for second rd pick


If that is on the table, MB has to accept. Mantha is a nice upgrade over Domi, while Primeau is good but not a generational talent. Harris' ceiling is unknown, but you have to take the chance.
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 39
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Mantha is a marginal upgrade over Domi in terms of production, but plays a less valuable position. You can't seriously expect this return


Right, look I love Mantha but DET fans treat him like he's the best invention since sliced bread
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 42
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Quoting: leafs101
Mantha is a marginal upgrade over Domi in terms of production, but plays a less valuable position. You can't seriously expect this return


Mantha has the potential to be a 40 goal scorer every season if he could stay healthy. His rate of production shows that. That's where the inflated value originates. What we, Red Wings fans, have to understand is that he isn't worth 40 goals until he proves it through healthy seasons.
27 août 2020 à 10 h 44
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Quoting: wdhowell
Mantha has the potential to be a 40 goal scorer every season if he could stay healthy. His rate of production shows that. That's where the inflated value originates. What we, Red Wings fans, have to understand is that he isn't worth 40 goals until he proves it through healthy seasons.


I 100% agree. That being said, we have no reason to trade him now because of that, since we could wait a season and he could turn into that elite winger. That’s why I personally am so against trading Mantha.
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27 août 2020 à 10 h 59
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Quoting: redwingsfan04
I 100% agree. That being said, we have no reason to trade him now because of that, since we could wait a season and he could turn into that elite winger. That’s why I personally am so against trading Mantha.


Totally agree. My assumption is that this published team is saying, "If that road is to actually be taken, then..." So, I didn't argue whether or not Mantha should or shouldn't be traded. I see no reason to get rid of him. Someone would have to overpay drastically or Detroit would have to pick up an exceptional player in the draft before I would trade any of the MLB line, Fabbri, or Zadina. You would have to make whichever one it was a duplicate to a new asset at least before I'd consider it.
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27 août 2020 à 11 h 1
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Canes would reject that
27 août 2020 à 11 h 6
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It's not about the value, it's about the role he as in Detroit. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM.

People arguing Detroit is in reconstruction dont grasp the concept that you need to put a team on the freakin ice. It's hard enough to sell tickets with that poor team, they cant just trade away their young power foward for draft picks or AHL prospects without alienating their fans.

Even if it is less true now, it was the same reason Montreal wouldn't even consider trading Gallagher. They might be less valuable than Ovi objectively, but since they are playing for team that lack offense, their scoring skills are even more valuable for their respective GMs.
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27 août 2020 à 11 h 22
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Quoting: leafs101
Mantha is a marginal upgrade over Domi in terms of production, but plays a less valuable position. You can't seriously expect this return


If Mantha is only a marginal upgrade over Domi, then why is every MTL fan trading for Mantha (not necessarily for Domi though)? It's because he's from the area, and MTL needs all the Francophones! So, if MTL wants him, they aren't going to get him for value, they'll get him for overvalue. Trades aren't made in vacuums, Stevie knows what he's doing (and also knows how to make MTL overpay for Francophones, like Drouin!).

Yes, this trade was done by a DET fan, but there are just as many being done by MTL fans. DET fans overvalue the player, but the sense that MTL is going to get Mantha for value (or undervalue) is forgetting that NHL GMs know what they are doing (sometimes, not GMJR, but still)...
27 août 2020 à 11 h 28
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It's not about the value, it's about the role he as in Detroit. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM.

People arguing Detroit is in reconstruction dont grasp the concept that you need to put a team on the freakin ice. It's hard enough to sell tickets with that poor team, they cant just trade away their young power foward for draft picks or AHL prospects without alienating their fans.

Even if it is less true now, it was the same reason Montreal wouldn't even consider trading Gallagher. They might be less valuable than Ovi objectively, but since they are playing for team that lack offense, their scoring skills are even more valuable for their respective GMs.


I agree with you. Once again, I was approaching this conversation from the point of we are assuming that Mantha is being traded to Montreal. What is his value? If we start from whether or not it should even be considered, I wouldn't have gotten this far.
27 août 2020 à 11 h 47
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Detroit fans treat him like he’s the most talented player on the roster, which he is.

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Right, look I love Mantha but DET fans treat him like he's the best invention since sliced bread
27 août 2020 à 11 h 51
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Detroit fans treat him like he’s the most talented player on the roster, which he is.


Larkin disagrees
27 août 2020 à 15 h 17
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Quoting: TMarch
If Mantha is only a marginal upgrade over Domi, then why is every MTL fan trading for Mantha (not necessarily for Domi though)? It's because he's from the area, and MTL needs all the Francophones! So, if MTL wants him, they aren't going to get him for value, they'll get him for overvalue. Trades aren't made in vacuums, Stevie knows what he's doing (and also knows how to make MTL overpay for Francophones, like Drouin!).

Yes, this trade was done by a DET fan, but there are just as many being done by MTL fans. DET fans overvalue the player, but the sense that MTL is going to get Mantha for value (or undervalue) is forgetting that NHL GMs know what they are doing (sometimes, not GMJR, but still)...


I don't know why they always trade for him - likely because they have an extra center and need a winger of the same calibre as domi. From a point of view that quite frankly doesn't care about either team but knows both fairly well given that they play in the Atlantic, francophone or not (just because they target French-Canadians doesn't mean it makes them worth more), Mantha isn't THAT big of an upgrade over Domi in terms of production (yes domi had a down year but I'm talking about last year where he out-produced mantha) and plays a more valuable position. Mantha may be worth a bit more, but certainly not worth more than Domi + 2nd + 3rd. I'd walk away from it otherwise if I were MTL
28 août 2020 à 1 h 19
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Cocaine is a hell of a drug
28 août 2020 à 21 h 46
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Lol at another maxi domi for mantha package deal , your in such a hurry to move domi but you think we’d take him for one of our top forwards , domi’s a 40-45 pt guy no thanks. Yes mantha if healthy is a 30-40 goal guy easy, if some habs fans here seem to laugh at the thought of wings fans over valuating the guy then stop with the mantha to the habs nonsense
 
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