Trading Mantha for first rounders and younger players might be great for DETs rebuild. Mantha might be in his 30s once their rebuilt completed.

Domi trade looks good, but you are overpaying for Mantha IMO

Just wait to see DET fans comments... Its in fact a little overpay considering his injury history as well as his level of production. But hed be an amazing fit for
our team if he can remain healthy

I’d hate to trade Mantha but getting teo mid 1st round picks would be tough to pass up

Absolutely Mantha would look great on the Habs

Yes, but it’s going to take an overpay to get Mantha.

I don’t think Victor Mete or Josh Brook do much for Detroit. And you’re keeping Bjugstad, you have the cap in this scenario. Just buy him out?

I’d be asking for someone like Jordan Harris or Jayden Struble and the two firsts.

Also don't forget Mantha is a RFA, and Bergevin can offer him money and just lose potentially 3 picks and no players. Not sure about Detroits cap space and other RFAs UFAs they need or want to sign

I think you could take Brook and Mete out of the trade as they don't really add significant value right now and take out 1 1st as Mantha is not worth 2 1sts + Instead maybe offer. Bjugstad + 1st 2020 (Mtl) + 2nd 2020 (Stl). The difference between Mantha and Domi is size both have similar numbers over their 5 careers. I wouldn't give up more than I would expect to get back for Domi.

Basically I think it’s two high end prospects and a first. Or two first and a high end prospect. Yes it’s an overpay slightly, but IMO that’s what it would take.
Why Detroit we want to watch Mantha light the lamp against us in same division for anything less than a major haul to help rebuild.
If it’s only fair value or a borderline overpay, we just keep him and continue our rebuild a different way. Our timeline effectively doesn’t tie our hands into making any deal either way. So it will take an overpay.

The salary would likely be in the range of a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd... And Detroit would 100 percent just match that bc we have ALL the cap space necessary.
If the contract is in the next tier higher. Then it’s 2 first, a second, and a third. And now you’re basically talking about the trade that we are in this scenario.

Yeah wasnt sure about Detroits cap space or other RFAs that would need to be signed

If you think the difference between the players is just size, then maybe you’re not watching them correctly.
Mantha > Domi

Where in the stats or advanced stats is Mantha better than Domi? They are both top 6 forwards with similar numbers over their careers and are both the same age. Size is the ONLY quantifiable difference. Intangibles aren't much different either.

I wasn’t talking about any points stats. I’m talking when you watch the hockey game. Mantha is a better hockey player. Just my opinion, we can agree to disagree if you want, I don’t want to get into a pissing match. Having a relaxed day.. cheers

A Detroit fan's comment: If it plays out like this I would tell you buy a lottery ticket. I mean no disrespect but none of these trades are going to happen and I'm pretty sure you already knew that by the name of this post. "Fun Team."

I wouldn't do this from Wings POV. It's not bad but it's not enough for me to move Mantha



Mantha is better than Domi, and two mid 1st's + filler isn't enough as is

It is also my opinion that the value is are same. Like you not trying to get into a pissing match but Mantha is no Svechnikov either who would likely cost about what the original offer was probably a bit more. It's not like Mantha puts up 70+ points where it can be justified spending 2 1sts + A top RHD prospect + A 2nd pairing puck moving D man. Your probably right that it takes an overpay to get him out of Detroit just like it would Domi because neither team Has to move them but not 2 1sts +++ not even close.

I also think that if the Habs weren’t willing to pay up. The Pens and Wings could bypass the Habs completely. And work a deal for Pens 2020 1st, Poulin, and the 2022 1st. Maybe we could even convince them to throw in Légaré bc the Pens Cup window is closing fast and they need RW like Mantha badly.

Put Mantha next to a top centre like Crosby and he surpasses 30+ goals and 70+ points in his sleep. Probably would score 40+ goals next to Crosby for the next five years.

Pretty much any top 6 winger does that. That's doesn't increase his value. Hell put Drouin next to Crosby and he probably passes 90+ points doesn't mean Drouin is worth 4 1st's ++. You base value on what they have accomplished to this point in their careers unless it is a player on an ELC because they have nothing to base it on other than ceiling.

Drouin? 90+ points? Please. And he is more playmaker and isn’t the natural goal scorer that Mantha is. And Drouin plays kinda soft no? I understand you are exaggerating to make a point. And nobody asking for 4 firsts ++. You are exaggerating your make you point.

Mantha has 30G and 42A over last 82 games playing for the worst offence in the league, and a bad PP. He scores regardless of what is around him. That is where any projection comes in if he were moved to a better team. A team is paying for the value of he’s 26 years old power forward entering his prime. He’s not a prospect. Not 30+ years old. He’s ready to score 40 goals on a contender and be a big load to handle in the playoffs, does not play soft.

This has happened in every Mantha conversation. Other fans have a different view on what his value is because they want him without giving up the necessary futures it would take to make it worthwhile for us. And then an argument begins over his perceived value, and why they think it is low bc of what he hasn’t accomplished yet. In my opinion they are dead wrong.

Like I say, the Red Wings hands are not tied into making a trade one way or another. Which gives us additional leverage, even if it’s marginal. You are calling us, we aren’t calling you to make the trade. We will be bad with him for the next few years or we will be bad without him. It doesn’t matter. Either way, another team does not get to dictate what the lowball offer will be. So if Yzerman doesn’t get the return, it’s fine, he stays and we continue to build a different way. You see?

Like I said I agree it will take an overpay and that Detroit doesn't have to move him my only argument here is that the over isn't going to be the equivalent of an elite scoring winger like Svechnikov.

Your right other teams fans and even GM's would use his accomplishments to date as a way of lowering his value. That is their jobs they are not their to make the other team better by giving more value based on what Mantha might do in 2-5 years they will asses a value based on the numbers put up by a 25 year old winger over the course of his 5 year career.

Also I just want to say that from the Wings side, I don't think I would move Mantha anyway. They can accelerate their rebuild if the draft falls right for them this year. I feel like the Wings really just need a Goalie and upgrade on D (both sides) to be a playoff team.

Edit: You can't theorize about the numbers that Mantha "could" put up on Crosby's, McDavid's or McKinnons wing as we don't have any of them. You would have to project numbers he could put up on Suzuki or Kotkaniemi's wing as it would be one of those 2 he would play with in Montreal! Based on current performance of them the numbers would be the same as he has had in Detroit.

Got caught up watching the champions league final.
So I guess I only was referencing Crosby bc I see that as a fit, and a team that would seriously pursue him to extend their window, along with owning assets that could intrigue us enough. And although Habs maybe don’t have one of those elite centres, they do have a better power play than Red Wings with more skill/set up men, so I do think his goals would spike up from that aspect. But overall, I’d say yes, you’re correct.

When you referenced Svech earlier it confused me bc I thought you were talking about big Svechnikov that plays for Red Wings. But I get it now... however that’s just getting into projections again. Little Svech isn’t an elite goal scorer YET. His goal clip is the nearly same as Mantha in his first two years. Big difference being Svech is doing it at an age about 3 years younger, and Svech probably has a better overall game. So I understand your point.. but it’s still projecting.

And I know it comes off that I want to trade Mantha, but that’s not necessarily the case. I’m not a Mantha hater. The Wings have a hard enough time scoring goals and goal scoring power forwards with Mantha’s skill set don’t exactly grow on trees, so he’d be hard to replace and it just put us further away. But my argument has been mostly directed towards Wings fans who maybe think he is untouchable and that we’d never trade him. And trying to show that it’s not out of the realm of possibilities and for the right return, it might even make more sense to take one step back to take two steps forward. Most are dead set against it and I understand their argument.

As far as accelerating the rebuild thru the draft falling for us. That ship already sailed when we fell to 4th and missed out on Laffy. We will still get a good player (I want Rossi) to help our rebuild but it’s a stretch to say accelerate it now.

Apart from getting the 4th pick correct. The other biggest decision of our offseason surrounds Mantha’s contract. Where our management will likely be making the points you’re making in this thread and Mantha’s agents will likely be saying what I have been. Ironically I side with you and management when it comes to his contact. Which would contradict everything else I’ve said about his value. If for some outside reason terms can’t be agreed, and the sides fight over his value, or if any feelings/egos are damaged, then a trade becomes more possible I’d say. But from where things stand now, that’d be far fetched, and the most likely outcome is Anthony continues to be a Red Wing for a long time.