Do NOT trade Jarry, move Murray instead

Preds decline. It's better to buy Turris out, than to give away Arvidsson to get rid of him. Especially since they're not really saving much on Turris, if they have to take Hornqvist back. upgrading to a first is nice, but Joseph and McCann aren't of much interest.

Pens decline that Preds deal. That Turris cap dump is worse than Hornqvists. No reason the pens should be giving up a middle 6 LW/C, a solid D prospect, and the 15th overall in a deep draft and only get arvidsson in return. Pens would probably rather trade Murray than Jarry. So with the pens declining the Nashville deal, they wouldn’t do the Edmonton deal as they’d want Bjugstad as 3C.

I don’t see how 2,000,000 in dead cap is better than a couple million in cap space and 2 solid prospects 🤷‍♂️

Murray won't fetch a good return after his poor campaign. Jarry will.

The trade was more or less constructed as Turris+2nd+3rd in exchange to Horny, since Horny's cheaper and has shorter contract.

I dunno how high NSH values Arvidsson, but I'd expect McCann+Joseph+15th overall to be enough...

He'll still fetch a 2nd and an ok prospect. Or a very good prospect and a 3rd .

They really should keep Jarry. He's just better than MM

I think you're underestimating Arvidsson. I think the guy is exactly what you need. Relatively cheap right handed goal scorer. Since 1st of January 2019 only 31 players have managed to score over 40 goals, with Arvidsson belonging to that lot. Only other Pens player in that list is Guentzel btw.

Does he? Because I'd hesitate giving anything more than a 3rd after his poor playoff performance.

What team would be even interested in the guy?

-EDM, they need a guy to split the starts with MK
-SJ, Jones can't ply much more than 4-45 games as of right now
-BUF, Ullmark was below average this season
-MIN, since Stalock's a backup and Dubnyk sucks big time
-CGY, if they still want to compete
-DET?

EDM can barely afford the guy.

Man it'd be such a pain for SJ to pay up to $10M bucks for a goaltending duo that can't even catch a volleyball.

BUF fans have claimed they have no interest in Murray.

MIN is not going after Murray imo, because they have Kähkönen who needs to be protected in the ED. They're not investing for yet another Dubnyk.

For CGY re-signing Talbot is likely the best and most affordable option. His performance exceed's that of Murray's and he'll likely be cheaper as well.

Detroit is the only idea I do agree with, but the return is a question mark. The most I can see them offering is like Perlini+WSH 2020 2nd.

There's not really any cap savings for NSH here though. They're swapping one bad contract for another in Turris for Hornqvist, so they're only saving $700 000 there. And how do they replace the 30 goal scorer they traded away? Giving an older player like Hall or Hoffman a long contract for more than twice what Arvidsson is making, or giving up significant assets in a separate trade for someone who's also going to have a larger salary than Arvi? McCann's a 3rd liner in need of a new contract, that NSH doesn't have a spot for. Joseph looks like he should be a solid bottom pairing guy someday, but NSH has prospects like him already. He's not anything special, and definitely doesn't move the needle in a large trade like this.

Arvidsson is the best goal scorer in franchise history, on one of the most team-friendly deals in the league. The way he played in post season showed he's fully recovered from when Bortuzzo gooned him. Nashville values him A LOT.

Neither get traded a least not in the off season. If Jarry was the Penguin's #1 goalie moving forward he would have started and played more games in the play in round. Now as justaBoss said Murray won't fetch a good return after his performance in the play in round. With the amount of goalies on the market this is works out in Pittsburgh's favor. Someone will need a goalie at the TDL and which ever goalie Pittsburgh doesn't want to keep will probably be the best goalie available and likely bring in a bigger return than if he was traded in the offseason. I could be wrong but this is what makes the most sense.

Fabbri was one of the very few bright spots for Detroit last season they aren't going to trade him and with the way the draft lottery went I wouldn't expect Yzerman to trade any of Detroits 2nd round picks.

that NSH trade is trash for the penguins.
Turris is a worse cap dump than Horny.
And the last thing they need is another 5'9 midget winger.
Especially at that cost.
The DET trade is also awful.

NJ is never going to accept that.
Russell is a cap dump the penguins don't want.

The only trade here that is even remotely decent is the AZ trade. I don't think AZ cares to much about Simon.

Don’t get me wrong. Arvidsson would be fantastic, just not at that cost for the pens. Turris is just too expensive for too long. His buyout is 2 years longer and more expensive each year than Hornqvists. And giving up a decent defensive prospect and the #15 that we wouldn’t even trade for Zucker who is a top 6 winger. I just find it a bit too steep. Maybe if it was the 2022 1st rounder. I just think the pens really like who they see at 15 and the pens need to restock their prospect pool. Not continue to pick from it.

It is cap savings. You save 700k over the 1st 3 years and 6 million in the 4th year. You also save probably 1.5 million on Arvidsson to McCann. McCann who spent the past two years in a bottom 6 role scored 19 goals in 78 games as a LW mostly, then 14 in 66 as a 3C mostly. Nashville would use him as a 2nd line LW and he could probably net 25-30. He has an elite shot. His problem is when you put him at center he gets too defensively minded. Had he spent all of two years ago as a winger, he probably nets 25 in a bottom 6 role. And if he was a winger last year as opposed to 3C, he probably has 25ish goals (once he got put permanently at center for the last 20-25 games is when he went dry on the score sheet. Playing with guys like ERod, Marleau, and Simon who couldn’t score to save their lives also didn’t help.)
With that said, I still understand from the Nashville perspective to still decline too.

I'm not as optimistic as you on McCann's scoring potential. I agree he's better as a winger, but he's on his third team now, and hasn't shown anything close to 25-30 goal potential yet. If PIT were moving him, I'd be interested, but for something along the lines of a 3rd and decent prospect.

Even if McCann could be a solid 2nd line winger in NSH, they still would need a 1st line winger to replace Arvidsson. That's not going to be cheap or easy. Imagine if PIT had to replace Guentzel - what do you think it would cost PIT in assets and/or cap space? Too much, right? Now add a bit to that, as Arvidsson is a little better and a little cheaper.

Retooling is becoming the most overused word on this site

I don’t think how many teams he’s been on is indicative on his skill and value. Bonino was a stud for us and we were his 3rd or 4th team. I also wouldn’t consider Arvidsson better than Guentzel. Arvidsson is a 30 goal scorer, Guentzel is a 40 goal scorer. Hell he played 18 less games than Arvidsson and had 5 more goals and more points than Arvidsson. He was on pace to destroy his career high from last year in goals and points before his injury. He was on pace for around 45-47 goals and 90+ points. And that wasn’t even playing with Crosby most of the time.

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I didn't mean that the number of teams Mccann has been on is indicative of his skill. Just more that he's never come close to the level of production you're forecasting for him before, so I don't think it's a matter of a change of scenery is what's needed for him.

We can disagree on Arvidsson-Guentzel, but I feel Arvidsson would outpace Guentzel playing in the Pens' top six. I'm not as confident Guentzel could hit 30 playing in NSH's system, with the linemates available to him there.

But he has been close to my projections to him. 2 years ago he was only 6 goals off of my projections. And that’s because he was playing center in Florida for 46 games. Like I said, his problem there is he gets overly defensive minded. In the 32 games playing 3LW with Pittsburgh he scored 11 goals and 17 points. That’s about a 30 goal pace on the 3rd line. Now imagine what he could do on a 2nd line with more playing time, a center better than Bjugstad, and a RW better than Simon/Hornqvist/the other random pieces they threw on that line with him.
From a non-preds fan point of view...A player like McCann, a solid D prospect, and a 1st (especially a top 15 pick) is probably close to fair. However, in the preds perspective, they have no reason to trade him so it should take an extreme overpay. I.e more than that offer.