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Bye Willy

Créé par: Rage_44
Date de création initiale: 21 août 2020
Publié: 21 août 2020
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya21 950 000 $
Dermott, Travis21 750 000 $
Anderson, Josh22 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Clifford, Kyle2950 000 $
Gudas, Radko33 750 000 $
Grant, Derek1950 000 $
Girgensons, Zemgus11 950 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. 2021 3e round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
2.
TOR
  1. Jones, Max
  2. Manson, Josh
  3. 2021 4e round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Rosén, Calle
3.
TOR
  1. Anderson, Josh [Droits de RFA]
CBJ
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Petan, Nicolas
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $78 703 250 $0 $0 $2 796 750 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
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Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
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Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 4
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Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Anderson, Josh
2 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 7
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Mikheyev, Ilya
1 950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Girgensons, Zemgus
1 950 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
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Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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Clifford, Kyle
950 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Grant, Derek
950 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
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Jones, Max
863 333 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Manson, Josh
2 050 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
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Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Dermott, Travis
1 750 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Gudas, Radko
3 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2

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21 août 2020 à 10 h 56
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These are all terrible
21 août 2020 à 10 h 58
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I swear every Manson trade on here is either an over pay or an under pay, no in between
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21 août 2020 à 11 h 6
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Quoting: Salzy
I swear every Manson trade on here is either an over pay or an under pay, no in between


I feel like the Muzzin trade is a great comp and yet you're right, always too much (nylander) or too little (spare parts). Would the Ducks do Johnsson + Liljegren?
21 août 2020 à 11 h 8
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Quoting: Salzy
I swear every Manson trade on here is either an over pay or an under pay, no in between


When you need to move salary make anything work you have to overpay. You can't make the deal work only moving 3.5 mil. I think you may also undervalue big Max Jones- has potential as a big power forward.
21 août 2020 à 11 h 10
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I feel like the Muzzin trade is a great comp and yet you're right, always too much (nylander) or too little (spare parts). Would the Ducks do Johnsson + Liljegren?


100% it is, but TOR fans don't think so, even though Manson fits what they need almost perfectly. It doesnt take a genius to see he isnt the same player but he is still a 2nd pair shutdown guy.

The Ducks already have too many LWs so they would be more interested in Kap than AJ. Manson doesnt go to the Leafs if Liljegren isnt coming back. both teams need RD, it isnt a good trade fit, the Leafs shouldnt move Lily but the Ducks shouldnt move Manson to TOR if he isnt coming back
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21 août 2020 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: Rage_44
When you need to move salary make anything work you have to overpay. You can't make the deal work only moving 3.5 mil. I think you may also undervalue big Max Jones- has potential as a big power forward.


I'm not over undervaluing Jones, he wont become anything more than a second liner at best/ The Leafs arent going to have to take less value to move Willy, to move Marner they will but Teams could find a way to fit Willy in alot easier
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21 août 2020 à 11 h 14
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Quoting: A_K
I feel like the Muzzin trade is a great comp and yet you're right, always too much (nylander) or too little (spare parts). Would the Ducks do Johnsson + Liljegren?


Muzzin is far superior to Manson. Could see a similar structure deal, but value wise, it isn't there.
21 août 2020 à 11 h 21
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Muzzin is far superior to Manson. Could see a similar structure deal, but value wise, it isn't there.


Yeah Muzzin is the better player. Manson would be a great fit with Rielly though, definitely a trade I think both sides should be pursuing.
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21 août 2020 à 11 h 24
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Muzzin is far superior to Manson. Could see a similar structure deal, but value wise, it isn't there.


Agreed Muzzin is the better Dman - but Ana (specifically Bob Murray) value Manson very highly, it would take an overpay to grab him - probably Kappy & Liljegren like Salzy mentions.
21 août 2020 à 11 h 24
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I'd rather move Nylander with Dermott and get an actual good, young d-man
21 août 2020 à 11 h 28
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Quoting: Barilko14
Agreed Muzzin is the better Dman - but Ana (spefically Bob Murray) value Manson very highly, it would take an overpay to grab him - probably Kappy & Liljegren like Salzy mentions.


So don't trade for him then lol. No reason for a team to overpay (Kapanen + Liljegren is a significant overpay - more value than they gave up for Muzzin, imo) for anybody because their current team overvalues them. There are other options.
21 août 2020 à 11 h 29
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I'd rather move Nylander with Dermott and get an actual good, young d-man


Actually-good, proven, young d-men are pretty hard to find out there. Without any examples of who you're targeting it looks like fantasy. Rasmus Andersson? Ekblad? Marino? Jones? Doubt any team is trading a guy like that. Besides, the Leafs just have to find the right combinations with Rielly and Muzzin to have a solid top 4. Doesn't have to be a big producer or a core piece. Just needs to be better than Hainsey or Ceci or Holl.
21 août 2020 à 11 h 32
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So don't trade for him then lol. No reason for a team to overpay (Kapanen + Liljegren is a significant overpay - more value than they gave up for Muzzin, imo) for anybody because their current team overvalues them. There are other options.


Yeah, personally I figured that out 2+ years ago, but the fanbase as a whole seems fixated on Parayko, Pesce, Manson and will be until a decent Top 4 RHD is acquired.
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I'd rather move Nylander with Dermott and get an actual good, young d-man


What good young dman is going to be Nylander level better than Dermott? And is it possible to acquire that Dman, and save caproom in the process?
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Yeah, personally I figured that out 2+ years ago, but the fanbase as a whole seems fixated on Parayko, Pesce, Manson and will be until a decent Top 4 RHD is acquired.


Yep. And I like Manson, but I wouldn't overpay for him. A guy I really like is Weegar from Florida and I think there could be a deal there. Kapanen could go the other way - Fla is losing two of their top four fwd's and Kapanen is a salary under cap player, which could help them with their money concerns. And while Florida isn't exactly a strong defensive team either, they already have 4 guys pretty well locked in (Ekblad - $7.5, Yandle - $6.35 NMC, Stralman - $5.5 MNTC, Matheson - $4.875). If they could nab him I think he'd be a great partner for Rielly.
21 août 2020 à 11 h 48
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Yep. And I like Manson, but I wouldn't overpay for him. A guy I really like is Weegar from Florida and I think there could be a deal there. Kapanen could go the other way - Fla is losing two of their top four fwd's and Kapanen is a salary under cap player, which could help them with their money concerns. And while Florida isn't exactly a strong defensive team either, they already have 4 guys pretty well locked in (Ekblad - $7.5, Yandle - $6.35 NMC, Stralman - $5.5 MNTC, Matheson - $4.875). If they could nab him I think he'd be a great partner for Rielly.


Agreed. Weegar is my top choice among attainable targets (as far as what Leafs would be willing to give up).

FLA will be a total wildcard this off-season, and in-division deals are sometimes a no-go, so not allowing myself to get hopes too high.
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