Why do the Pens do that when we can just move Murray for assets that help us and skip a step

Idk but the rumour seems to be an Andersen - Murray swap

Conditional picks are no longer allowed with the new CBA.

really? That's stupid

Murray is one of the most over rated goalies in the NHL. He's has a similar save percentage as Martin Jones this season and is playing with significantly better defence in front of him.

Why would we trade Andersen for him? I rather just have Campbell as our starter TBH.

Because of your cap situation, I would only do a Hunt for Kerfoot trade straight up.

then they just trade Kerfoot somewhere else. He's not a desperate cap dump, someone else would do a similar deal.

I agree.

Because you'll have to pay a 30 year old Andersen north of 6 mil to keep him - Murray is a bit of a risk, but has a far better playoff track record than Andersen. Also had a better GAA and sv% than Jones, with what I'd argue is at least a comparable defence and a injury-decimated Penguins team.

He had one down year. Every other year was solid, and he wasn't bad in the play in this year. Will be signed for cheaper and longer and is younger and more playoff proven

Murray isn't playoff proven lmao. Did you actually look at his playoff stats from the last 3 years?

Murray had a great first 2 years in the NHL but since then he has been below average for a starter.

Andersen is much better he has a better save percentage and harder risk shots against him.

I much rather Andersen at 6M than Murray at 4.5M but there are other options too like Binnington and Jake Allen.

The only value murry has is 2 rings

898 % junk

Freddy was 909 %

Thats a fleece for pits

Why would the leafs trade freddy for a goalie that is a downgrade to have weeker d

Binnington isn't an option pal. He'll cost at least 7.5M, which Leafs can't afford.

When it comes to comparing stats in the playoffs with Murray and Andersen, they are relatively similar, except one key difference, the one that matters most: games played. Murray has gone on to the second round or further 3 times in the last 5 years, while Andersen has gone 0 times.

Not saying he's necessarily better now, but Andersen can't win a playoff series, and maybe it's time for a shakeup. Maybe you grab the younger goalie who tends to be as good or better in the playoffs and hope that a change of scenery brings him out of a bit of a down year. I'm not paying 30 year old Andersen 6M to lose in the first round every year rather than Murray at 4.5M and actually get a playoff proven goalie, even if he did have a down year.

Defensively speaking this is better than the Leafs D this year.

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Murray went further into the playoffs because he had a better more balanced team in front of him.

or maybe it's because he didn't lose every elimination game he played as a Penguin? At some point the goalie does have to shoulder some of the blame for those collapses - he was abysmal in game 7 last year, and the year before, and was just ok in game 5 this year - he couldn't make a stop when they needed it most (on the Foudy goal). Murray was also ridiculously good in those playoff runs, don't discredit his performances to try to prove your point. You can't argue that Freddie is a better playoff goalie

Murray didn't need elimination games lol. If the Leafs were true contenders they'd be winning the 1st round of the playoffs/play in before game 7.

Look at the Raptors. The only needed one game 7.

No they are not. Conditions based on the player re-signing are not allowed under the new CBA but not all conditional picks

is soederberg better than Kerfoot? I find Kerfoot is underrated on this site and is traded for peanuts. Also Kerfoot is younger and has term

yes, Soderberg is better. top 25 in Selke voting last year and scored at a 0.5ppg rate compared to Kerfoot's .43ppg. It's not that Kerfoot's bad, its that I think they need a veteran guy who's solid defensively at 3C in case they want to roll the T - M - M line again, or even if they don't, I think better defensive center would help

Andersen has also lost every game that the Leafs could have won a series on, unlike Murray.

Also even if the Leafs only needed one game 7 too, my point is that Andersen hasn't been able to win that one game 7. Not saying its all his fault, but maybe its time for a shakeup and maybe its time to move on from 30 year old Andersen that you'll have to overpay and go for the 26 year old on a down year who has playoff pedigree to his name

I mean Andersen put up a 0.926 sv% vs Columbus I believe.

We wouldn't be worried if we had our 1st and could draft Askarov lol.

Either way I wouldn't do more than Andersen for Murray 1 for 1 and I wouldn't sign Murray for more than 2 or 3 years.

We could even sign Talbot.

Anderson has proven solid infront of better than average D and below average D with the leafs

Murray has only been with the pens and mind you that the ammont of shots they surrender per game is lower and his GAA is higher honestly think your 100% wrong murray is a 1b goalie hes not a top 10 goalie especially with the leafs he is NOT that guy

But he doesnt

Dude murray didnt carry his team this year or the last

Murray is a 1b goalie

I can list 16 better goalies than him

Freddy carried anahiem to semis

But when he came to toronto he lost a reliable d core

You honestly think murray with the same D would have better results **** NO

the leafs problems are not goaltending and i can say fred lets in some soft ones but he also holds you in to and hey one could say this year was freddys bad season