I’d love to have Domi but not sure if that’s enough for Nylander

Yeah, I dont think anyone is giving the 8th overall pick for Nylander.

Difficult to see how buffalo declines. They suck and while Eichel is still playing there it might not be for long. You don’t want to waste another 4 years waiting for that kid to make a legit impact to get you to the playoffs

Not huge on the second trade

Me neither. Fans are overvaluing the draft picks this year. Yes the #1 is pretty untouchable and the top 5 are highly coveted, but Nylander is a guaranteed 60 point producer, ready to go right now. Likely a 30 goal scorer and perhaps 70pts+ for the next 6 years. That's worth 8th overall in my books.

I don't think Domi+2nd is enough for Nylander though. Maybe Domi + Poehling

what?

only 14 players scored more goals last season

Poehling has close to no value. He is kind of like Gauthier on the Leafs

Leafs fans have kinda agreed to this. Don’t see Poehling adding much value. We trade for 8 and have to wait maybe 4 years for the guy to make a legit impact. Makes no sense

I don't know about that. Poehling has value, folks seem to think he's lost his window to develop into an NHL player. I don't think the Habs gave him a fair try.

Either way, I think Domi is a good start to get Nylander. Whatever else comes the Leafs way can be used to draft/trade for a defender and the deal likely opens up some cap space.

Kind of no production at both NHL and AHL level. Probably a 4th liner who might develop in a 3rd liner somehow.

Yea I understand that, but the kid isn't even 22 yet. Transitioning from NCAA to NHL isn't always as smooth as it could be. He was a PpG player, practically, in NCAA.
He just needs to get used to playing 3-4 games a week.

yes, but he is a long shot, and therefore the trade value is very low.

I'll give you Poehling over any 2nd rounder anyday of the week! Done deal!

Skinner was tied for 12th in goals in 18 - 19 after 40 goals he was not worth a top 10 pick even if he was under contract for 7 AAV. Nylander plays little to no defense, plays with elite talent and in a wide open offensive system. He also shoots for his career around 11% and shot an 16% for him this year so he likely should have had 23 goals and 51 points on pace for a still career high 30 goals and about 65 points per 82. Put him on Buffalo or Montreal and it is fair to assume 25 goals and 60 points on average. Very good offensive player but not elite. With him offering no toughness or high end defensive ability he is just not worth that return

I disagree with that. Listen to a lot of players who shared their opinion on Nylander. They think he is an incredible player. Also, I am just very much in favour of trading Marner, not Nylander. Nylander is probably the only good contract the so called "genious" GM Kyle Dubas signed.

I really don't think that's the case. Gauthier is a 25 year old big guy, that sucks at hockey. Poehling is 21 and is only second year pro. People are giving up on him far too soon.

He does not really produce at AHL and NHL level, so it is too early to say he will be bad, but he is too much of a gamble for a team to give up real value for him

I don't know about "good contract" in Nylander's case. Maybe if he puts up 30 goal seasons. But I absolutely agree on Marner being more of a liability than Nylander right now. Both financially and on the ice.

It is not a good contract he gets paid fairly for what he produces offensively. There are not many 25 goal 60 point wingers making over 7 AAV. Additionally his contract only bought 1 year of UFA so there is little justification for him being paid more AAV to buy UFA time.

The word on Poehling was always "Good 3rd line center" and his World Juniors performance had people thinking 2nd and 1st line. I think people are putting too much emphasis on production for him at this point in his career. His Hockey IQ and Defensive play will always be his bread and butter. Also, yeah, not going to produce playing on the 4th line with scrubs, see Domi...

My bad, FIRST YEAR PRO... Its been a long year...

For me a good contract is one that is more or less wher I value him. Not a steal, but also not a bad one.

The problem with that is every team has at least 1 or two bad contracts. For that reason IMO a good contract means there is at least a little more upside for the team than the player. You don't have this here. I would argue there is a little more upside for the player than the team

Well eichel is stuck here. Thats what happens when you sign an 8 year contract.

Nylander isn't worth the 8th overall pick.

Trade domi to the leafs, the sabres will talk to the leafs for the 8th for domi. We need a center, not an overpriced soft winger.

So long story short, its easy to see why they would decline.