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Retool Complete 1

Créé par: Campabee
Date de création initiale: aoû 9, 2020
Publié: 10 aoû à 10 h 10
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
Taking on bad contracts to acquire 1 OVA from Edmonton.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Evans, Jake3980 000 $
Juulsen, Noah2880 000 $
Mete, Victor32 100 000 $
Domi, Max55 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Elliott, Brian21 500 000 $
Kovalchuk, Ilya11 500 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Lafreneire, Alexis3925 000 $
Transactions
MTL
  1. Turris, Kyle (2 000 000 $ retained)
  2. 2020 1e round pick (NSH)
Détails additionnels:
11th OVA
NSH
  1. 2020 3e round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Neal, James
  2. 2020 1e round pick (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
1st OVA
EDM
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Drouin, Jonathan
  3. 2020 1e round pick (MTL)
  4. 2020 1e round pick (NSH)
  5. 2020 2e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
11th, 16th and the higher of Montreal or Chicago picks
MTL
  1. 2021 3e round pick (ARI)
NJD
  1. Turris, Kyle (1 000 000 $ retained)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Kyle Turris: 1 000 000 $ (16,67%)
Enfoui
  • Karl Alzner: 3 550 000 $ (4 625 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
EDM
CHI
STL
WSH
MTL
WPG
ANA
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
OTT
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
ARI
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
PHI
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $73 132 976 $0 $3 987 500 $8 367 024 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Domi, Max
5 500 000 $
C, AG
RFA
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Kovalchuk, Ilya
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
Lafreneire, Alexis
925 000 $
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
EDM
Neal, James
5 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
MTL
Mete, Victor
2 100 000 $
DG/DD
RFA
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
Elliott, Brian
1 500 000 $
G
UFA
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
880 000 $
DD
RFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
980 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2

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10 aoû à 10 h 14
#1
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NSH will find a better deal, and can always retain - which is much more palatable than this.
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10 aoû à 10 h 21
#2
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Both of those trades are ridiculously stacked in MTL favor.
10 aoû à 10 h 21
#3
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Quoting: villenash
NSH will find a better deal, and can always retain - which is much more palatable than this.


Where? Colorado, Detroit, Ottawa or NJ? Which of them will give you a better deal? Those are the only teams that have the space to take Turris! Colorado wont do it simply cause it messes with their future cap space. Detroit, Ottawa and NJ are going to want the same kind of return for about the same price. The would drop the 2nd IF your retaining 50% but so would the Habs so where is the better deal Here?
10 aoû à 10 h 22
#4
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Quoting: Xqb15
Both of those trades are ridiculously stacked in MTL favor.


Nashville gets 6 Mil cap relief for 5 YEARS!!! Plus a 4th!

Edmonton gets 2 top 6 forwards to play with Draisaitl and McDavid plus 2 1sts and a 2nd

Drouin-McDavid-Kassien
Tatar-Draisaitl-Yamamoto

That looks very good for the next 3-5 years
10 aoû à 10 h 24
#5
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Quoting: Campabee
Nashville gets 6 Mil cap relief for 5 YEARS!!! Plus a 4th!

And give up a lottery pick and a second for a functional player. This isn’t Ericksson, there are plenty of other teams that do that trade for less, namely DET.
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10 aoû à 10 h 28
#6
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Quoting: Xqb15
And give up a lottery pick and a second for a functional player. This isn’t Ericksson, there are plenty of other teams that do that trade for less, namely DET.


Trade happens AFTER the lottery! Edmonton already has 1st OVA read the details
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10 aoû à 10 h 33
#7
Lenny7
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Quoting: Campabee
Where? Colorado, Detroit, Ottawa or NJ? Which of them will give you a better deal? Those are the only teams that have the space to take Turris! Colorado wont do it simply cause it messes with their future cap space. Detroit, Ottawa and NJ are going to want the same kind of return for about the same price. The would drop the 2nd IF your retaining 50% but so would the Habs so where is the better deal Here?


Probably Seattle. Nashville has got the cap space to fill out the roster for next year, and giving Turris some of Granlund's minutes should help increase his bottomed out value a bit.
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10 aoû à 10 h 37
#8
Zuke is the goat
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Quoting: Xqb15
Both of those trades are ridiculously stacked in MTL favor.


Man, EDM should take that deal and run. They need depth not another superstar. Its basically two top 6 wingers, Askarov and a guy like Jarvis plus a cap relief for a single player. I proposed (go see my last armchair) to trade Domi + for Ehlers and then include him in the trade above. Would you do Tatar, Ehlers, 11 and 16 for Neal and 1?
10 aoû à 10 h 39
#9
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Quoting: Lenny7
Probably Seattle. Nashville has got the cap space to fill out the roster for next year, and giving Turris some of Granlund's minutes should help increase his bottomed out value a bit.


You think Seattle will take Turris in the ED without getting a 1st + as well? I don't! A deal would have to be struck with Seattle and they will want some really good pieces back to consider it. So again not a BETTER deal just another version.
10 aoû à 10 h 40
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Quoting: math731
Man, EDM should take that deal and run. They need depth not another superstar. Its basically two top 6 wingers, Askarov and a guy like Jarvis plus a cap relief for a single player. I proposed (go see my last armchair) to trade Domi + for Ehlers and then include him in the trade above. Would you do Tatar, Ehlers, 11 and 16 for Neal and 1?


Yeah that was what I based this offer on lol
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10 aoû à 10 h 45
#11
Lenny7
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Quoting: Campabee
You think Seattle will take Turris in the ED without getting a 1st + as well? I don't! A deal would have to be struck with Seattle and they will want some really good pieces back to consider it. So again not a BETTER deal just another version.


Sorry, you just asked who would take him and only listed off 3 that weren't competitive, as if there weren't other options out there. Nashville doesn't *need* to trade him. It's a bad contract, but if he goes out and puts up 50 points next year (which isn't beyond the realm of possibilities), then they have a chance of recouping a bit of the lost value. He should have a bit more of an opportunity to play without Granlund.
10 aoû à 10 h 50
#12
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Quoting: Lenny7
Sorry, you just asked who would take him and only listed off 3 that weren't competitive, as if there weren't other options out there. Nashville doesn't *need* to trade him. It's a bad contract, but if he goes out and puts up 50 points next year (which isn't beyond the realm of possibilities), then they have a chance of recouping a bit of the lost value. He should have a bit more of an opportunity to play without Granlund.


No sorry maybe you misread the post. I said who else will make a BETTER offer in response to this.

Quoting: villenash
NSH will find a better deal, and can always retain - which is much more palatable than this.
10 aoû à 10 h 55
#13
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Quoting: villenash
NSH will find a better deal, and can always retain - which is much more palatable than this.


I agree with this. If they are willing to retain, the could probably move him without giving up a 1st and 2nd. Similarly, if Montreal was willing to retain 2 mil, there is probably a team that takes him for another asset. That way you have 4 years at $2m instead of 8 years.
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10 aoû à 10 h 57
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Quoting: ALitteral
I agree with this. If they are willing to retain, the could probably move him without giving up a 1st and 2nd. Similarly, if Montreal was willing to retain 2 mil, there is probably a team that takes him for another asset. That way you have 4 years at $2m instead of 8 years.


I did say if Nashville retained they could drop the 2nd but full contract for full term is going to cost more than a 1st
10 aoû à 11 h 02
#15
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Quoting: Campabee
I did say if Nashville retained they could drop the 2nd but full contract for full term is going to cost more than a 1st


I follow that, but even if Nashville didn't retain and this trade was completed, Montreal could probably get something for Turris at $4million if the team was retaining $2mil for 4 years instead of taking a buyout cap hit for 8 years and getting nothing from him.
Your trade 1: Turris to Mtl with assets
Remove Buyout
Add trade 2: Turris to somewhere at $4 million for another asset.

Personally, I think it is a big payment for the cap hit and would expect Nashville to retain before giving up that much.
10 aoû à 11 h 05
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Quoting: ALitteral
I follow that, but even if Nashville didn't retain and this trade was completed, Montreal could probably get something for Turris at $4million if the team was retaining $2mil for 4 years instead of taking a buyout cap hit for 8 years and getting nothing from him.
Your trade 1: Turris to Mtl with assets
Remove Buyout
Add trade 2: Turris to somewhere at $4 million for another asset.

Personally, I think it is a big payment for the cap hit and would expect Nashville to retain before giving up that much.


Again that is fine if they want to retain say 2 Mil Habs word do Turris + 1st for 3rd giving both better value back and not demanding as much return
10 aoû à 11 h 28
#17
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Fixed concerns outlined above with the Turris trade Nashville will retain 2 Mil and give up a 1st for a 3rd
10 aoû à 12 h 21
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Quoting: math731
Man, EDM should take that deal and run. They need depth not another superstar. Its basically two top 6 wingers, Askarov and a guy like Jarvis plus a cap relief for a single player. I proposed (go see my last armchair) to trade Domi + for Ehlers and then include him in the trade above. Would you do Tatar, Ehlers, 11 and 16 for Neal and 1?

You never pass on the chance to get a superstar, especially one on an ELC. Laf right now has as much value as anybody in the league outside the the truly elite 1C. And I don’t disagree that EDM just needs more talent.

As for the proposed trade, I wouldn’t be taking any cap dump in trading the 1OA.
10 aoû à 12 h 27
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Quoting: Campabee
Nashville gets 6 Mil cap relief for 5 YEARS!!! Plus a 4th!

Edmonton gets 2 top 6 forwards to play with Draisaitl and McDavid plus 2 1sts and a 2nd

Drouin-McDavid-Kassien
Tatar-Draisaitl-Yamamoto

That looks very good for the next 3-5 years


Not when Tatar needs an extension immediately, Drouin isn’t anything special particularly defensively and some picks outside the sweet spot of the draft for the best prospect since McDavid, on an ELC. Such an easy no. There is a reason that the #1OA rarely gets traded.
10 aoû à 12 h 52
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Quoting: Xqb15
Not when Tatar needs an extension immediately, Drouin isn’t anything special particularly defensively and some picks outside the sweet spot of the draft for the best prospect since McDavid, on an ELC. Such an easy no. There is a reason that the #1OA rarely gets traded.


Considering Edmonton fans actually see the value in Drouin and Tatar was extended already at 6 Mil x 5 years. Oilers fans have liked the idea of the proposal, It is other teams fans allowing their bias to interfere that are rejecting these types of moves so your comment means nothing to me
10 aoû à 13 h 14
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Quoting: Campabee
Considering Edmonton fans actually see the value in Drouin and Tatar was extended already at 6 Mil x 5 years. Oilers fans have liked the idea of the proposal, It is other teams fans allowing their bias to interfere that are rejecting these types of moves so your comment means nothing to me

Bro you need to not take yourself so serious. Besides for EDM fans that think it is a good idea there is this little nugget if they regret the Taylor Hall trade how are they going to feel know Laf is better than Hall. Honestly I could give a rip, you want to make ridiculous hypothetical trades and don’t want my opinion then DONT COMMENT BACK TO ME. Genius.
10 aoû à 13 h 29
#22
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Quoting: Xqb15
Bro you need to not take yourself so serious. Besides for EDM fans that think it is a good idea there is this little nugget if they regret the Taylor Hall trade how are they going to feel know Laf is better than Hall. Honestly I could give a rip, you want to make ridiculous hypothetical trades and don’t want my opinion then DONT COMMENT BACK TO ME. Genius.


1. I am not your brother don't call me bro it is not as cool as you think it is!

2. Just like you it is my prerogative to answer who I want when I want how I want you don't like it well it SUCKS to be you then.

3. All trades are hypothetical cause last time I checked NO ONE on here was an NHL GM!

4. Why would they regret making this kind of a trade exactly? It makes them better at 3 positions as opposed to just 1.

Drouin-McDavid-Yamamoto
Tatar-Draisaitl-Kassian

Is a top 6 that rivals Toronto and Tampa

They can draft Askarov with 11th and Guhle or Schnider at 16
10 aoû à 14 h 48
#23
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Quoting: Campabee
1. I am not your brother don't call me bro it is not as cool as you think it is!

2. Just like you it is my prerogative to answer who I want when I want how I want you don't like it well it SUCKS to be you then.

3. All trades are hypothetical cause last time I checked NO ONE on here was an NHL GM!

4. Why would they regret making this kind of a trade exactly? It makes them better at 3 positions as opposed to just 1.

Drouin-McDavid-Yamamoto
Tatar-Draisaitl-Kassian

Is a top 6 that rivals Toronto and Tampa

They can draft Askarov with 11th and Guhle or Schnider at 16


I don’t give a rip what’s cool I have kids in college for that. Laf tops that pile of middling by a country mile. And boy howdy I want to rival the TOR franchise when I’m doing anything because then I can spend an ass load of money on forwards and not do jack in the playoffs. To get the 1OA you will have to not only give up a high quality offer you will have to over pay. A 30+ winger, an extra ordinary under achieving winger 2 picks out of the premium top 8 doesn’t get you Lafrienere. If it were that simple the #1 overall would have been traded multiple times. But you do you bro.
10 aoû à 15 h 16
#24
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Quoting: Xqb15
I don’t give a rip what’s cool I have kids in college for that. Laf tops that pile of middling by a country mile. And boy howdy I want to rival the TOR franchise when I’m doing anything because then I can spend an ass load of money on forwards and not do jack in the playoffs. To get the 1OA you will have to not only give up a high quality offer you will have to over pay. A 30+ winger, an extra ordinary under achieving winger 2 picks out of the premium top 8 doesn’t get you Lafrienere. If it were that simple the #1 overall would have been traded multiple times. But you do you bro.


I see your one of the uneducated idiots that thinks he knows everything, yet cannot string a complete coherent paragraph together. Got ya!
10 aoû à 16 h 01
#25
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Quoting: Campabee
I see your one of the uneducated idiots that thinks he knows everything, yet cannot string a complete coherent paragraph together. Got ya!

If by uneducated you mean that I have a degree in engineering, and objectively try to analyze a situation with minimum bias and maximum results yes. But you’re the homer loving guy that over values all of his teams assets while at the same time wondering why in creations his team is a fringe team making no impact. But like I said you do you. It is a fan site after all. I literally could careless what EDM and MTL do, but you’re biased so you’re trying to rationalize the lack in quality of your proposed offer. It is quite alright, I understand. In this case I just chose to say what I thought, you tried to persuade me with your justification which just in my opinion made you looked more biased. But again if you don’t want my opinion don’t respond to me. I know that’s an advanced concept, but I went as lcd as I could. Have a great day!

Oh and P.S. honestly I love your passion!
 
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