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Créé par: math731
Date de création initiale: aoû 10, 2020
Publié: 10 aoû à 8 h 29
Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
I saw a trade yesterday that seemed to be liked by both CHI and EDM fans in which the 1st OA and Neal were traded for DeBrincat, Strome, 17th OA and a bottom 6 player.
Domi = Strome + bottom 6 player
16th OA roughly = 17th OA
11th OA + 46th OA + Tatar = DeBrincat (maybe even more imo).
Transactions
MTL
  1. Turris, Kyle
  2. 2020 1e round pick (NSH)
Détails additionnels:
11th OA for one of the worst contracts in the league. Will help NAS making a splash on the RFA or UFA market
NSH
  1. 2020 2e round pick (STL)
MTL
  1. Neal, James
  2. 2020 1e round pick (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
1st OA
EDM
  1. Domi, Max
  2. Tatar, Tomas
  3. 2020 1e round pick (MTL)
  4. 2020 1e round pick (NSH)
  5. 2020 2e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
11th, 16th and 46th OA
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Marco Scandella: 2 000 000 $ (50%)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 350 000 $ (50%)
Enfoui
  • Keith Kinkaid: 675 000 $ (1 750 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
EDM
CHI
MTL
WSH
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
OTT
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
PHI
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 882 142 $0 $495 000 $1 617 858 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
MTL
Weise, Dale
2 350 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Hudon, Charles
800 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Teasdale, Joël
763 333 $
C
RFA - 3
EDM
Neal, James
5 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
NSH
Turris, Kyle
6 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Alzner, Karl
4 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Lindgren, Charlie
750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
MTL
Folin, Christian
800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
MTL
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Ouellet, Xavier
700 000 $
DG
RFA - 1

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10 aoû à 8 h 38
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I’m not against idea of trading down for oilers but I wouldn’t have any interest in adding domi to oilers. No offence to domi just not a good fit.
10 aoû à 8 h 40
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Quoting: Timmah007
I’m not against idea of trading down for oilers but I wouldn’t have any interest in adding domi to oilers. No offence to domi just not a good fit.


Would you like a solid dmen instead or just another forward? I could change it and make a separate Domi trade before trading you back the player acquired in it. What about Brodin, Ehlers (but remove the second since Id have to add it to Domi) or DeAngelo?
10 aoû à 8 h 42
#3
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If that’s what it takes, gimme Laffy. Also, retain on Turris if it’s going to be a second rounder
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10 aoû à 9 h 04
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Quoting: math731
Would you like a solid dmen instead or just another forward? I could change it and make a separate Domi trade before trading you back the player acquired in it. What about Brodin, Ehlers (but remove the second since Id have to add it to Domi) or DeAngelo?

Hmm. Habs are a little tougher than hawks. I didn’t come up with that trade but did post it and ran with it because I really liked it.
1 top six LW Drouin or Tatar (ability to speak with Tatar agent before hand discuss extension only include if that can be done at a reasonable comparable contract to Drouin.)
1 3c that is young and team control over which in habs case KK might be only real option.
For starters then can negotiate picks or prospects habs have a good goalie prospect if include him might be willing to accept a 2nd if not then your first.
10 aoû à 9 h 10
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Quoting: Timmah007
Hmm. Habs are a little tougher than hawks. I didn’t come up with that trade but did post it and ran with it because I really liked it.
1 top six LW Drouin or Tatar (ability to speak with Tatar agent before hand discuss extension only include if that can be done at a reasonable comparable contract to Drouin.)
1 3c that is young and team control over which in habs case KK might be only real option.
For starters then can negotiate picks or prospects habs have a good goalie prospect if include him might be willing to accept a 2nd if not then your first.


Theres a huge huge difference between KK and Strome... Plus you guys need wingers way more than C tbh. Tatar, Ehlers, 11th and 16th OA is a pretty amazing offer tbh. Youd draft Askarov at 11 and a guy like Jarvis, Gunler or Lapierre at 16th.
10 aoû à 9 h 12
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Believe me, I really like Laffy. I would really like him in MTL. Though, I'm not sure taking on Turris' horrible deal is a good idea. We already have a logjam at center, and we would have to trade our whole team next year to be able to resign Suzuki and KK. I would rather give up another guy like Drouin (who is also a LW) than taking on Turris' contract. We could sign a LW UFA for the next 3 years, so until Laffy's contract is over.

Edit : Samething with James Neal. The guy won't have the stats he had last year with MTL, he may not even be a top6 forward.
10 aoû à 9 h 16
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Quoting: Suzuki_Cup
Believe me, I really like Laffy. I would really like him in MTL. Though, I'm not sure taking on Turris' horrible deal is a good idea. We already have a logjam at center, and we would have to trade our whole team next year to be able to resign Suzuki and KK. I would rather give up another guy like Drouin (who is also a LW) than taking on Turris' contract. We could sign a LW UFA for the next 3 years, so until Laffy's contract is over.


Yeah but no UFA LW will sign for less than Drouin... 5,5 isnt a lot tbh. This NAS deal may be a bit one sided for NAS. Because of the 2nd they might have to retain 1m or 1,5 especially when you consider the prize paid by the leafs to get rid of one year of Marleau
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10 aoû à 9 h 19
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Quoting: math731
Yeah but no UFA LW will sign for less than Drouin... 5,5 isnt a lot tbh. This NAS deal may be a bit one sided for NAS. Because of the 2nd they might have to retain 1m or 1,5 especially when you consider the prize paid by the leafs to get rid of one year of Marleau


True, but that means we would really not be competitive in the next few years. We couldn't afford keeping Petry nor Gallagher (as well as Armia and Lehkonen). As well enter in a total "reset" and also trade Price and Weber...
10 aoû à 9 h 21
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Quoting: Suzuki_Cup
True, but that means we would really not be competitive in the next few years. We couldn't afford keeping Petry nor Gallagher (as well as Armia and Lehkonen). As well enter in a total "reset" and also trade Price and Weber...


Then forget the Turris trade and replace the 11th OA with an unprotected 2021 first
10 aoû à 9 h 23
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Quoting: math731
Then forget the Turris trade and replace the 11th OA with an unprotected 2021 first


At that price, I would rather draft a guy like Jarvis, Holloway or Reichel.
10 aoû à 9 h 32
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Quoting: math731
Theres a huge huge difference between KK and Strome... Plus you guys need wingers way more than C tbh. Tatar, Ehlers, 11th and 16th OA is a pretty amazing offer tbh. Youd draft Askarov at 11 and a guy like Jarvis, Gunler or Lapierre at 16th.


I’m not against that trade completely don’t really need two top six wingers
Tatar mcdavid Jp
Nuge Leon yam
Really do need a 3c that’s toughest part with habs don’t really have the ideal one. Danault would be perfect if had term but I think he’s going to price himself out too fast.
10 aoû à 9 h 41
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Quoting: Timmah007
I’m not against that trade completely don’t really need two top six wingers
Tatar mcdavid Jp
Nuge Leon yam
Really do need a 3c that’s toughest part with habs don’t really have the ideal one. Danault would be perfect if had term but I think he’s going to price himself out too fast.


The only thing with Danault is that since he played on our 1st line during a few years, you would need to pay him at least 6mil per year, which is a lot for a 3rd c.
10 aoû à 9 h 46
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Quoting: Suzuki_Cup
At that price, I would rather draft a guy like Jarvis, Holloway or Reichel.


Man idk... We have too much of thise ok guys. We need a franchise player, you know a Matthews, Eichel, MacKinnon, Kane.... Doesnt matter the price as long as we dont create too big of a hole in the lineup.

Laf-Suzuki-Caufield
Drouin-KK-Armia
Lehky-Danault-Gally
Byron-Evans-Poehling

Chiarot-Weber
Romanov-Petry
Norlinder-Fleury

Is a hell of a lineup tbh.
10 aoû à 9 h 56
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Quoting: Timmah007
I’m not against that trade completely don’t really need two top six wingers
Tatar mcdavid Jp
Nuge Leon yam
Really do need a 3c that’s toughest part with habs don’t really have the ideal one. Danault would be perfect if had term but I think he’s going to price himself out too fast.


What about Nuge as your 3C. That would create 3 highly skilled lines which is what most teams nowadays are looking for.

Tatar-McD-Chiasson
Ehlers-Drai-Yam
Athanasiou-Nuge-JP

Or Domi of course.
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10 aoû à 10 h 14
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Quoting: math731
Man idk... We have too much of thise ok guys. We need a franchise player, you know a Matthews, Eichel, MacKinnon, Kane.... Doesnt matter the price as long as we dont create too big of a hole in the lineup.

Laf-Suzuki-Caufield
Drouin-KK-Armia
Lehky-Danault-Gally
Byron-Evans-Poehling

Chiarot-Weber
Romanov-Petry
Norlinder-Fleury

Is a hell of a lineup tbh.


This lineup makes me dream. But with the acquisition of Turris and Neal, forget it. It's sure that 2 of Danault, Gallagher and Petry (or maybe the 3) are gone. I will trust Bergevin. If he wants to move, let's do it, but I don't want us to be a team that is the leader in the run for the 1st ovr pick for 3-4 years, like the Oilers were.
10 aoû à 10 h 33
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Quoting: math731
What about Nuge as your 3C. That would create 3 highly skilled lines which is what most teams nowadays are looking for.

Tatar-McD-Chiasson
Ehlers-Drai-Yam
Athanasiou-Nuge-JP

Or Domi of course.

Nuge wouldn’t do as 3c because he complements mcdavid and Leon perfectly also don’t want 3 lines commanding that much ice time. Will result in reducing mcdavid or Leon’s ice time or your about to be giving the 3c 7+ million extension that’s only on the ice 14 minutes if lucky a night. Ehlers as much as I do like him is a luxury I can’t justify affording. Ideally a responsible 3c that can win faceoffs and replace sheahan on pk that’s reasonably cheap is next piece needed.
10 aoû à 10 h 33
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Quoting: Suzuki_Cup
This lineup makes me dream. But with the acquisition of Turris and Neal, forget it. It's sure that 2 of Danault, Gallagher and Petry (or maybe the 3) are gone. I will trust Bergevin. If he wants to move, let's do it, but I don't want us to be a team that is the leader in the run for the 1st ovr pick for 3-4 years, like the Oilers were.


Forget turris, if we do Tatar, Domi, 16th, 46th and 2021 first it works as well.
10 aoû à 10 h 41
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Quoting: Timmah007
I’m not against idea of trading down for oilers but I wouldn’t have any interest in adding domi to oilers. No offence to domi just not a good fit.


Why do you think Domi wouldn't be a good fit?
10 aoû à 11 h 02
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Quoting: CD282
Why do you think Domi wouldn't be a good fit?


If he has any desire to play C that’s just not happening.
I would much rather Tatar or Drouin because I could easily see Tatar’s skill and smarts being explosive next to mcdavid. Drouin I might get some heat for it but I think has more raw skill than domi and would gell with Leon and yam better than domi. I personally don’t think he would fit in either of those lines as well and having nuge already in the mix provides the C flexibility in the event of an injury. Drouin has decent term it’s not too long if doesn’t work out. Tatar we will be able to watch before offering an extension. Domi worries me because not only do I have doubts he might not mesh in as well but will likely be a longer term investment while very likely being the most expensive of the three.
10 aoû à 11 h 09
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Quoting: Timmah007
If he has any desire to play C that’s just not happening.
I would much rather Tatar or Drouin because I could easily see Tatar’s skill and smarts being explosive next to mcdavid. Drouin I might get some heat for it but I think has more raw skill than domi and would gell with Leon and yam better than domi. I personally don’t think he would fit in either of those lines as well and having nuge already in the mix provides the C flexibility in the event of an injury. Drouin has decent term it’s not too long if doesn’t work out. Tatar we will be able to watch before offering an extension. Domi worries me because not only do I have doubts he might not mesh in as well but will likely be a longer term investment while very likely being the most expensive of the three.


What if I add Poehling in the mix?
10 aoû à 11 h 09
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Quoting: Timmah007
If he has any desire to play C that’s just not happening.
I would much rather Tatar or Drouin because I could easily see Tatar’s skill and smarts being explosive next to mcdavid. Drouin I might get some heat for it but I think has more raw skill than domi and would gell with Leon and yam better than domi. I personally don’t think he would fit in either of those lines as well and having nuge already in the mix provides the C flexibility in the event of an injury. Drouin has decent term it’s not too long if doesn’t work out. Tatar we will be able to watch before offering an extension. Domi worries me because not only do I have doubts he might not mesh in as well but will likely be a longer term investment while very likely being the most expensive of the three.

Tatar and Drouin both have far less value than Domi though - Tatar due to age and contract status and Drouin due to ability and drive. If you don't like Domi than you flip him for someone you do like, you don't take a lesser player instead.
10 aoû à 11 h 17
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Quoting: CD282
Tatar and Drouin both have far less value than Domi though - Tatar due to age and contract status and Drouin due to ability and drive. If you don't like Domi than you flip him for someone you do like, you don't take a lesser player instead.


It’s not really about value to me here it’s about finding the best possible fits. Personally I think tatar can provide another 3-4 years of excellent hockey next to mcdavid. Drouin would be an ideal option next to leon. The value difference can become compensated with picks or other assets. I wouldn’t cry if domi went to Edmonton but I wouldn’t feel as confident about results of investment. Could flip him elsewhere but I honestly think tatar or Drouin are the perfect targets and would fit in magically.
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10 aoû à 11 h 21
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Quoting: math731
What if I add Poehling in the mix?


Honestly haven’t watched enough of him close enough to say if interested.
10 aoû à 11 h 22
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Quoting: Timmah007
It’s not really about value to me here it’s about finding the best possible fits. Personally I think tatar can provide another 3-4 years of excellent hockey next to mcdavid. Drouin would be an ideal option next to leon. The value difference can become compensated with picks or other assets. I wouldn’t cry if domi went to Edmonton but I wouldn’t feel as confident about results of investment. Could flip him elsewhere but I honestly think tatar or Drouin are the perfect targets and would fit in magically.


Doesn't work for me. I'd rather see Lafreniere provide 15 years of excellent hockey next to McDavid than have Tatar and a bunch of prospects.
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10 aoû à 11 h 29
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Man, forget it. Lehkonen's goal sealed the deal, Lafrenière will not be a Hab.
 
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