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Équipe: 2020-21 Golden Knights de Vegas
Date de création initiale: 8 août 2020
Publié: 8 août 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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  1. Montour, Brandon [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
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  2. Tuch, Alex
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (BUF)
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  2. Stastny, Paul (1 300 000 $ retained)
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  1. Poolman, Colton
  2. Rittich, David
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
  4. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
CGY
  1. Cousins, Nick [Droits de RFA]
  2. Fleury, Marc-André
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (NJD)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (VGK)
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8 août 2020 à 20 h 4
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Yes absolutely from Buf
8 août 2020 à 20 h 7
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I think Winnipeg would say no. Goalie prospects have virtually no value and Stastny is a cap dump.
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I think Winnipeg would say no. Goalie prospects have virtually no value and Stastny is a cap dump.


No he’s not
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8 août 2020 à 20 h 10
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I think Winnipeg would say no. Goalie prospects have virtually no value and Stastny is a cap dump.


Any other prospect that'd suffice then?

We know that Stastny did quite well during his last sting in WPG. He was a great 2C for you guys. Now considering that the C market is a bit thin, I think Stastny could be a good target for WPG that could be had for relatively cheap...and naturally with some retained salary as well.
8 août 2020 à 20 h 14
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No he’s not


Yes, he is. The reason he signed with Vegas over the Jets was because Vegas offered him the extra year for the same money that the Jets wouldn't do. And now you want the Jets to bail you out of a bad contract and take him as a cap dump with no compensation. The Jets wouldn't even have to discuss it before saying no.
8 août 2020 à 20 h 16
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Any other prospect that'd suffice then?

We know that Stastny did quite well during his last sting in WPG. He was a great 2C for you guys. Now considering that the C market is a bit thin, I think Stastny could be a good target for WPG that could be had for relatively cheap...and naturally with some retained salary as well.


No. He's to expensive and too old. The Jets need a long term solution. No thanks.
8 août 2020 à 20 h 18
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No. He's to expensive and too old. The Jets need a long term solution. No thanks.


A short term good option is better than no option
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No. He's to expensive and too old. The Jets need a long term solution. No thanks.


What @csick said. As previously said, the C market is thin for now.
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8 août 2020 à 20 h 24
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Buffalo passes.
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8 août 2020 à 20 h 26
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Buffalo passes.


Don't think they should.
8 août 2020 à 20 h 30
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Buffalo passes.


That’s a steal for the Sabres. Tuch is a power play stalwart guaranteed line 2 RW locked in on a team friendly deal. Get him a decent #2 center to play with and Skinner won’t mind not playing with Eichel anymore.
8 août 2020 à 20 h 45
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Don't think they should.


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That’s a steal for the Sabres. Tuch is a power play stalwart guaranteed line 2 RW locked in on a team friendly deal. Get him a decent #2 center to play with and Skinner won’t mind not playing with Eichel anymore.


Thank Jason botterill. Trading our entire draft capital from 2020-2022. We need to hoard picks until our prospect pool is formidable. that 2nd rounder is 38th overall that we could get a piece like Joni Jurmo, Marat Khustnutdinov, or Lukas Reichel. We need some impactful pieces like them and trading a top 4 defender and a high 2nd is worth more than a mid 6 forward. I'd do it 1 for 1 but other than that we'll simply pass.
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No he’s not


Yes he is.

Here's the only way I think the Jets should take Stastny back and that's if he'd waive obviously, a 2nd round pick from Vegas, the Jets pick from the Eakin trade and Stastny for a 6th round pick, if the Knights weren't down for that deal I'd tell then to pound sand, if Vegas wants cap space to sign Lehner, imorove their backend or whatever then here's a more then fair deal for a team to take $6.5M off of their hands.
8 août 2020 à 20 h 47
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That’s a steal for the Sabres. Tuch is a power play stalwart guaranteed line 2 RW locked in on a team friendly deal. Get him a decent #2 center to play with and Skinner won’t mind not playing with Eichel anymore.


Honestly Tuch for Montour straight up one for one is pretty fair, I really don't think any picks need to be involved.
8 août 2020 à 20 h 50
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Yes he is.

Here's the only way I think the Jets should take Stastny back and that's if he'd waive obviously, a 2nd round pick from Vegas, the Jets pick from the Eakin trade and Stastny for a 6th round pick, if the Knights weren't down for that deal I'd tell then to pound sand, if Vegas wants cap space to sign Lehner, imorove their backend or whatever then here's a more then fair deal for a team to take $6.5M off of their hands.


I've never heard of a concept where a player in pace for decent 44 points with one year left would be considered a cap dump at $5,2M. That's just not a thing.

If VGK is retaining salary, some team looking for C strengthening (something that WPG should be doing), I think a player as such for a low 3rd would be a great deal for them.
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Honestly Tuch for Montour straight up one for one is pretty fair, I really don't think any picks need to be involved.


In terms of player level, yes.

In terms of contract, no. Tuch is inked with a great deal for the next 6 years. That contract is very valuable, especially for a team that no reasonable free agent should sign with, unless they want to join an endless purgatory of never getting to the playoffs.
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Thank Jason botterill. Trading our entire draft capital from 2020-2022. We need to hoard picks until our prospect pool is formidable. that 2nd rounder is 38th overall that we could get a piece like Joni Jurmo, Marat Khustnutdinov, or Lukas Reichel. We need some impactful pieces like them and trading a top 4 defender and a high 2nd is worth more than a mid 6 forward. I'd do it 1 for 1 but other than that we'll simply pass.


Like most of the Sabres fan base I’m done hoping lottery tickets pan out. The Sabres need to make the playoffs again and a high value power forward with a long-term team friendly contract does a lot to get them there. Tuch could be a 50 pt player for the foreseeable future. Realistically you hope that whoever you pick in the second round is a 50 pt player. He’s not a rental, and no one is asking for the first round pick to get him. You can always refill your prospect pool using European league free agents like Chicago is doing every year.
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I've never heard of a concept where a player in pace for decent 44 points with one year left would be considered a cap dump at $5,2M. That's just not a thing.

If VGK is retaining salary, some team looking for C strengthening (something that WPG should be doing), I think a player as such for a low 3rd would be a great deal for them.


Its a flat cap and they don't have that much space, if they want to sign Lehner long term dumping Stastny might be the only option, he's got a big hit and Eakin was a cap dump, the Jets need to stop giving assets for the Knights cap dumps.. Lol
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Its a flat cap and they don't have that much space, if they want to sign Lehner long term dumping Stastny might be the only option, he's got a big hit and Eakin was a cap dump, the Jets need to stop giving assets for the Knights cap dumps.. Lol


Tbh Jets got Eakin for that cheap since they acquired Lehner...they needed to create the space.

But the difference between Stastny and Eakin is massive. Stastny was in pace for 44 points, Eakin 25. And with the retention their cap hit difference is just $1M... I don't see reason why Stastny wouldn't get a 3rd if Eakin managed a 4th.
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Tbh Jets got Eakin for that cheap since they acquired Lehner...they needed to create the space.

But the difference between Stastny and Eakin is massive. Stastny was in pace for 44 points, Eakin 25. And with the retention their cap hit difference is just $1M... I don't see reason why Stastny wouldn't get a 3rd if Eakin managed a 4th.


And see I viewed that trade as Chevy making a mistake, Eakin was having a very down season, he helped them out and gave them a decent pick for his trouble, I mean even as it was Vegas had to send a pick to Toronto or someone to acquire Lehner first and retain a bit of his salary so they could fit him in, if Chevy doesn't trade for Eakin beforehand and no one else is interested in Eakin then how does Vegas acquire Lehner?

Fast forward to the offseason and if Vegas wants to sign the prize goalie of free agency to the long term deal he's looking for and I'm a team that needs a center I'd offer to help but I'd want a little compensation for it, not a lot of teams with cap space and the ones that have it might not have interest in Stastny, that's how I see it anyway.
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8 août 2020 à 21 h 38
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Tbh Jets got Eakin for that cheap since they acquired Lehner...they needed to create the space.

But the difference between Stastny and Eakin is massive. Stastny was in pace for 44 points, Eakin 25. And with the retention their cap hit difference is just $1M... I don't see reason why Stastny wouldn't get a 3rd if Eakin managed a 4th.


I would hold out for that if I were Vegas and maybe you'll get it. I just highly doubt it will be from Winnipeg due to the points I laid out earlier.
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8 août 2020 à 21 h 44
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And see I viewed that trade as Chevy making a mistake, Eakin was having a very down season, he helped them out and gave them a decent pick for his trouble, I mean even as it was Vegas had to send a pick to Toronto or someone to acquire Lehner first and retain a bit of his salary so they could fit him in, if Chevy doesn't trade for Eakin beforehand and no one else is interested in Eakin then how does Vegas acquire Lehner?

Fast forward to the offseason and if Vegas wants to sign the prize goalie of free agency to the long term deal he's looking for and I'm a team that needs a center I'd offer to help but I'd want a little compensation for it, not a lot of teams with cap space and the ones that have it might not have interest in Stastny, that's how I see it anyway.


Think Chevy's hands were a bit tied in a way. With injuries your center depth were looking terrible and he needed to do something. Acquiring a decent NHL level center albeit having a poor season for a 4th was imo a fair idea. I think it was a classic low risk high reward deal.
8 août 2020 à 21 h 48
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Think Chevy's hands were a bit tied in a way. With injuries your center depth were looking terrible and he needed to do something. Acquiring a decent NHL level center albeit having a poor season for a 4th was imo a fair idea. I think it was a classic low risk high reward deal.


Yeah I get that but does Chevy not have CapFriendly on his smartphone? Does he not see the cap crunch some teams are in? lol..

McPhee played him just like so many other GM's and agents have been playing him like a fiddle!
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Like most of the Sabres fan base I’m done hoping lottery tickets pan out. The Sabres need to make the playoffs again and a high value power forward with a long-term team friendly contract does a lot to get them there. Tuch could be a 50 pt player for the foreseeable future. Realistically you hope that whoever you pick in the second round is a 50 pt player. He’s not a rental, and no one is asking for the first round pick to get him. You can always refill your prospect pool using European league free agents like Chicago is doing every year.


That is bonkers to think anyone would want to sign here lol. You agree or disagree it's 100% what they need to do. those 3-year ELC will be valuable when we are paying Eichel,Cozens,Rossi,Dahlin,Skinner,Reinhart,UPL, etc their money.
8 août 2020 à 22 h 9
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That is bonkers to think anyone would want to sign here lol. You agree or disagree it's 100% what they need to do. those 3-year ELC will be valuable when we are paying Eichel,Cozens,Rossi,Dahlin,Skinner,Reinhart,UPL, etc their money.


If the past is any indication The salary cap will continue to rise after this 2 year window where it’s frozen. It took a pandemic to stop league revenues from rising again for the 12th straight season since the salary cap was tied to league revenues. Yeah, the party has to end sometime. We’ve all been waiting for it, but that just has not happened. I think the ceiling will stop at around $85-90 million a year, but we are not there yet.
 
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