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Shanaplan - Dubas Year 3 - Stay the course version 1

Créé par: Fegelman
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 8 août 2020
Publié: 8 août 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Slight tweak, stay the course, doubling down on young defence progressing.

Could send down the Goat or Barabanov to accrue cap space.

All 1 year deals, with covid uncertainty they all are low but somewhat realistic.

Didn't bother with special teams or AHL depth signings.
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RFAANSCAP HIT
11 250 000 $
1800 000 $
11 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 500 000 $
1800 000 $
11 000 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (NJD)
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2020
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 371 450 $0 $0 $128 550 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
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821 667 $821 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 4
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
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3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $
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UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
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UFA - 2
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 4
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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UFA - 3
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1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
G
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894 167 $894 167 $
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
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700 000 $700 000 $
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8 août 2020 à 16 h 57
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I’m not a leafs fan so maybe I’m missing something, but what’s the deal with liljigrin (spelling, I know)? I never see him in the line up in any AGM even though the leafs right side on D is so awful. How does he not get into this lineup? Is he just really bad?
8 août 2020 à 17 h 8
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I’m not a leafs fan so maybe I’m missing something, but what’s the deal with liljigrin (spelling, I know)? I never see him in the line up in any AGM even though the leafs right side on D is so awful. How does he not get into this lineup? Is he just really bad?


He has a strong chance of making it next year. He's only 21 so he's still finding his game. Give him time.
8 août 2020 à 17 h 13
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Wpg offers DeMelo more than that on a longer term. You’d have some other options. He’s also not going to sign to play on the 3rd pairing.
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8 août 2020 à 17 h 15
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Johnsson won't get that big of a return due to his injury.

Also not a chance DeMelo signs that cheap.

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I’m not a leafs fan so maybe I’m missing something, but what’s the deal with liljigrin (spelling, I know)? I never see him in the line up in any AGM even though the leafs right side on D is so awful. How does he not get into this lineup? Is he just really bad?


He's a very solid player. He's great at making stretch passes and offensive play. However, although he has been improving his defensive play a lot on the Marlies it's still not good enough to be on the Leafs.

The Leafs need shutdown D men not guys who can make great plays in the offensive zone (which is what Liljegren provides).

He has also had numerous injuries which reduced his playing time (by like a year) plus he had Mono for a year in his draft year (which is why he slid from 3OA to 17OA).

However, he is by no means a bust. He's putting up similar numbers to Brogan Rafferty and is 21 whereas Rafferty is 25 (saw you were a Vancouver fan).
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8 août 2020 à 17 h 16
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Wpg offers DeMelo more than that on a longer term. You’d have some other options. He’s also not going to sign to play on the 3rd pairing.


Yeah this is way off on that contract. I think he gets something like 4Mx5.
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8 août 2020 à 17 h 20
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Curious to see how this free agency plays out with all the financial uncertainty ahead, wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of seemingly very low 1 year deals.
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Johnsson won't get that big of a return due to his injury.

Also not a chance DeMelo signs that cheap.



He's a very solid player. He's great at making stretch passes and offensive play. However, although he has been improving his defensive play a lot on the Marlies it's still not good enough to be on the Leafs.

The Leafs need shutdown D men not guys who can make great plays in the offensive zone (which is what Liljegren provides).

He has also had numerous injuries which reduced his playing time (by like a year) plus he had Mono for a year in his draft year (which is why he slid from 3OA to 17OA).

However, he is by no means a bust. He's putting up similar numbers to Brogan Rafferty and is 21 whereas Rafferty is 25 (saw you were a Vancouver fan).


Okay that makes more sense I suppose. I didn’t think he was a bust, I just couldn’t understand why leafs fans never seem to have him in the top 6.

Purely from a cap perspective, I can’t see a reason not to have him on the third pair
8 août 2020 à 17 h 24
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Curious to see how this free agency plays out with all the financial uncertainty ahead, wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of seemingly very low 1 year deals.


Apparently the cap will stay flat for at least a couple years so I don't think players will take 1 year deals as the cap will get even tighter next year when a lot of guys come off their ELC contracts. (I can see RFAs taking cheap 1 year prove yourself deals because players will lose ~50% of their money to escrow next year)

Players will likely lose a lot of their income to escrow for the next few seasons so I think players are more likely to take 3 year deals that are back loaded thus avoiding escrow taking their money away.
8 août 2020 à 17 h 27
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I agree, but likely not the players the Leafs will be targeting barring making a big trade.
8 août 2020 à 17 h 27
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Yeah this is way off on that contract. I think he gets something like 4Mx5.


Yeah I’d see him getting at least 3.75mx5 from Winnipeg.
8 août 2020 à 17 h 30
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No chance Demelo signs for that and taking him out makes that defensive group one of the worst in the league. Gonna have to move two of either Kapanen, Hyman, Kerfoot if you wanna actually win a playoff round
8 août 2020 à 17 h 40
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No chance Demelo signs for that and taking him out makes that defensive group one of the worst in the league. Gonna have to move two of either Kapanen, Hyman, Kerfoot if you wanna actually win a playoff round


That's so far off... Kapanen, Kerfoot and Hyman are playing amazingly for their cap hit. Together they make 6M over if their spots were filled by guys on ELC and then our depth would be gutted.

The guy we gotta move out is Marner. By himself he's making 10M more than a guy on ELC. That's the price of a top 4 RHD and a 2nd line winger.
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That's so far off... Kapanen, Kerfoot and Hyman are playing amazingly for their cap hit. Together they make 6M over if their spots were filled by guys on ELC and then our depth would be gutted.

The guy we gotta move out is Marner. By himself he's making 10M more than a guy on ELC. That's the price of a top 4 RHD and a 2nd line winger.


I mean I definitely think they need to move either Marner or Nylander but I didn't wanna get flamed by leafs fans
8 août 2020 à 18 h 3
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I mean I definitely think they need to move either Marner or Nylander but I didn't wanna get flamed by leafs fans


Nylander is on a good contract and is still quickly improving. Marner seems to have plateaued from last year and is being overpaid by a million dollars so Marner would be the 1st one to go.

Our entire 3rd line Johnsson - Kerfoot - Kapanen costs less than Marner and our secondary scoring is what gives us the edge over a team like Edmonton who has stronger star power.
8 août 2020 à 21 h 2
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I realize I was stretching on the Demelo contract dollar figure and length and would need to find some sort of vet presence to play 6th or 7th D giving all the youth an opportunity in camp

Moving Marner or Nylander at this point without the trade being absolutely perfect is going to hurt in the short and long run, a bunch of futures makes no sense and who's the D man that comes back..? Seth Jones is the only one that may be reasonable for Marner.

I also titled this hypothetical roster "Staying the course" and trading any of the 4 core forwards is not that one bit.
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Johnsson won't get that big of a return due to his injury.

Also not a chance DeMelo signs that cheap.



He's a very solid player. He's great at making stretch passes and offensive play. However, although he has been improving his defensive play a lot on the Marlies it's still not good enough to be on the Leafs.

The Leafs need shutdown D men not guys who can make great plays in the offensive zone (which is what Liljegren provides).

He has also had numerous injuries which reduced his playing time (by like a year) plus he had Mono for a year in his draft year (which is why he slid from 3OA to 17OA).

However, he is by no means a bust. He's putting up similar numbers to Brogan Rafferty and is 21 whereas Rafferty is 25 (saw you were a Vancouver fan).


Liljegren's big issue is his skating. He's not very fast and that means he needs to make quick decisions, and they need to be right. He is not quite up to NHL speed yet. I could see him competing for 3rd pairing minutes next year, and maybe taking them during the season. He's certainly not a lock though, it would be nice to see him take that job out of camp but it's unlikely.
8 août 2020 à 22 h 7
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Liljegren's big issue is his skating. He's not very fast and that means he needs to make quick decisions, and they need to be right. He is not quite up to NHL speed yet. I could see him competing for 3rd pairing minutes next year, and maybe taking them during the season. He's certainly not a lock though, it would be nice to see him take that job out of camp but it's unlikely.


His skating is better than Sandin's. Although Sandin almost always makes correct decisions.

I dont think his skating is bad for a guy his age.
8 août 2020 à 22 h 14
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His skating is better than Sandin's. Although Sandin almost always makes correct decisions.

I dont think his skating is bad for a guy his age.


I don't want to get into a thing here, but have you watched him? Have you read anything about him? Lots of scouts and sports writers say the same thing. He has great lateral movement but he is slow in straight line speed. He spends a lot of time with Barb Underhill. And his injury problems have not allowed him to progress as he probably should have. He still has second pair potential, but he doesn't have a great shot and won't be a big offensive contributor. I still think he becomes a player but he looked very lost and slow in his NHL time this year.
 
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