When people lose their mind

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Créé par: Gordon_Bombay

Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 5 août 2020

Publié: 5 août 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Sometimes you see trades like:
Freddie and a 2nd for Jarry

Or Nylander for Roy

Freddie was the best of the Leafs in two games so far. 1 goali in total, 0.982 save percentage, calm, good presence. wake up. Andersen is an elite goalie

Also, Nylander is just a fantastic offensive player who is extremely gifted in skating, puck handling in front of the net as well as getting players open. Of course the Leafs played much better yesterday, but Matthews had 6 shots when he was with Nylander in game one and only 3 in game two, Tavares had 2 shots in game one and 8 in game two with Nylander. This is not all due to Nylander, but he plays his part of getting guys open

Some people just live in a different world.

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (44%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
27	81 500 000 $	96 271 866 $	0 $	0 $	-14 771 866 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Johnsson, Andreas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston 11 634 000 $11 634 000 $ C UFA - 5	Marner, Mitchell 10 893 000 $10 893 000 $ AD UFA - 6
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 6	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 5
Clifford, Kyle 800 000 $800 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 4	Horton, Nathan 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Mikheyev, Ilya 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD NTC UFA - 1	Clarkson, David 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Engvall, Pierre 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Gauthier, Frédérik 675 000 $675 000 $ C UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 3
		Malgin, Denis 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Ceci, Cody 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack 675 000 $675 000 $ G UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus 894 167 $894 167 $ DG UFA - 3	Holl, Justin 675 000 $675 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis 863 333 $863 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Rosén, Calle 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 2
Marincin, Martin 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1

5 août 2020 à 3 h 27

Stgstg55

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Those same people also live in the world where people think Andreas Johnnson and Pierre Engvall are worth a ton of value

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5 août 2020 à 3 h 46

PinkWhitney

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When did you ever see Nylander for Roy? Haha. That's the first I've heard of that one. Wouldn't surprise me though.

5 août 2020 à 5 h 11

GMs

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I don’t know if Andersen is Elite, he plays against CBJ offense, not a big threat. Like Murray against MTL offense, not a big threat even if he puts up good numbers ... but he’s good tho

5 août 2020 à 5 h 27

Gordon_Bombay

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Quoting: GMs

I don’t know if Andersen is Elite, he plays against CBJ offense, not a big threat. Like Murray against MTL offense, not a big threat even if he puts up good numbers ... but he’s good tho

He is an allstar, has solid career numbers in both regular- and postseason. And during the last years he saved the Leafs a lot when they decided that playing defence is boring.

Not saying that he is better than Price, but over his career, they have the same save percentage in the regular season and Andersen has the better playoff save percentage. I know that that stats are everything, but I also don't deny that Price is still elite.

I would say over the last 3 years, he is among the 10 best goalies in the NHL

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5 août 2020 à 6 h 42

Lenny7

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Quoting: GMs

I don’t know if Andersen is Elite, he plays against CBJ offense, not a big threat. Like Murray against MTL offense, not a big threat even if he puts up good numbers ... but he’s good tho

I would be on the fence re: Andersen being elite if it were just his numbers in Anaheim. He had great D in front of him, and they made some goalies look a lot better than they were (Hiller, Bryz, Giguere in the latter part...guy was a tank when he went on his Conn Smythe run though...), but with Toronto, as @Gordon_Bombay said, he gets hung out to dry on a regular basis. IMO, it's why the numbers are somewhat inconsistent. I'd say the same thing about Price though (And yes, Price > Andersen), and, as a Ducks fan, the same thing about Gibby.

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5 août 2020 à 7 h 52

junoandkeisha

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

Yes, he is an all-star. An all-star that has given up more goals like the first CBJ game, than any other goalie. He just always gives up the bad goal. Having said that, do you just let him walk? I don’t think so.

5 août 2020 à 7 h 54

AJC13

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"When People Lose Their Mind", (Gordon Bombay) they attempt the triple deke on a penalty shot.

By the way, the best way to defend the Flying V is to check the first player into the next two, who then fall into the next two. Though the Flying V might be effective against an overly finesse team like Toronto.

5 août 2020 à 8 h 19

palhal

LongtimeLeafsufferer

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When people lose their mindWATCH THREAD

Strange when the Leafs lost the first game to CBJ, I read that on CF, that Leafs have no grit, or any good RHD. Leafs win game 2, not one comment on CBJ not having grit or RHD Jones poor decision leading to the Leafs second goal.

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5 août 2020 à 8 h 41

Gordon_Bombay

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Quoting: junoandkeisha

The question if not if you trade him or not, but for sure not with a 2nd round pick for a backup like Jarry. And most goalies give up bad goals. He is also saving a lot of goals with world class saves, like he did not Bjorkstrand in game 1.

5 août 2020 à 8 h 45

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Gordon_Bombay

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Quoting: AJC13

"When People Lose Their Mind", (Gordon Bombay) they attempt the triple deke on a penalty shot.

I see that after 30 years, people figured out a way to defend my flying V. what if that first guy is Dustin Byfuglien who is hard to knock over, especially if the second guys would be Tom Wilson type players who would also push him forward?

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5 août 2020 à 9 h 7

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AJC13

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

Touché

5 août 2020 à 9 h 49

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It goes both ways. I think roughly 8% of the entire internets HTML is dedicated to leaf fans posting an ACGM of trading a third liner, a prospect that stinks, and a 4th for Brett Pesce. Then an equal amount goes to the typical trade of 5 things that leafs fans don’t really care about, for an elite D, because “that’s so much value!!!”

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