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Killorn AND Palat

Créé par: Richard88
Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 4 août 2020
Publié: 4 août 2020
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32 250 000 $
1875 000 $
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COL
  1. Killorn, Alex
  2. Palat, Ondrej
Détails additionnels:
Colorado take on $9.75m in capspace in one move that gives Tampa enough space to make all the signings they need to make.

Killorn has a 16 team NTC and Palat a full NTC, so they basically have full control on where they end up, hence the low price. Killorn = 2nd + 3rd. Palat = Beaucage (~2nd).
TBL
  1. Beaucage, Alex [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (COL)
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COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
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  1. Zadorov, Nikita [Droits de RFA]
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COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (FLA)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (COL)
FLA
  1. Jost, Tyson [Droits de RFA]
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COL
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (ARI)
ARI
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [Droits de RFA]
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4 août 2020 à 17 h 57
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Don't see TB being that interested. From the right team TB could get a return equivalent to that just for Killorn.

I'd imagine Jost+1st to get the talks going. COL first will be a low one, and Jost as a relatively cheap roster player should be off interest for them.
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4 août 2020 à 18 h 8
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Don't see TB being that interested. From the right team TB could get a return equivalent to that just for Killorn.

I'd imagine Jost+1st to get the talks going. COL first will be a low one, and Jost as a relatively cheap roster player should be off interest for them.


In many previously AGM's a 2nd + 3rd for Killorn has seemed to be agreeable, and from discussions with Tampa fans they think a 2nd (equivalent to Beaucage) would suffice for Palat given his full NTC. Keep in mind that there aren't many teams which both of them would waive for which can also take on salary without sending any back.
4 août 2020 à 18 h 12
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In many previously AGM's a 2nd + 3rd for Killorn has seemed to be agreeable, and from discussions with Tampa fans they think a 2nd (equivalent to Beaucage) would suffice for Palat given his full NTC. Keep in mind that there aren't many teams which both of them would waive for which can also take on salary without sending any back.


How Beaucage is equivalent to a 2nd? He was a 3rd round pick last year and his numbers have dropped from what they were then. Not that much, but still. I do believe Palat to be worth more than this, quite easily.

I'm a TB fan and trading Killer for two low 2nd and 3rd rounders (especially to a 2021 2nd since that draft is expected to be weaker) just seems too weak...
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4 août 2020 à 18 h 14
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How Beaucage is equivalent to a 2nd? He was a 3rd round pick last year and his numbers have dropped from what they were then. Not that much, but still. I do believe Palat to be worth more than this, quite easily.

I'm a TB fan and trading Killer for two low 2nd and 3rd rounders (especially to a 2021 2nd since that draft is expected to be weaker) just seems too weak...


Beaucage was drafted 78th (mid 3rd) and since had a very strong season and showed improvement in his skating which was his biggest weakness. In any case, would 2nd + 3rd + Jost get closer?
4 août 2020 à 18 h 18
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Beaucage was drafted 78th (mid 3rd) and since had a very strong season and showed improvement in his skating which was his biggest weakness. In any case, would 2nd + 3rd + Jost get closer?


I don't know anything about Beaucage, but shouldn't the fact his point statistics didn't change at all from the year he was drafted suggest that he's still about worth just that mid 3rd pick?
4 août 2020 à 18 h 28
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I don't know anything about Beaucage, but shouldn't the fact his point statistics didn't change at all from the year he was drafted suggest that he's still about worth just that mid 3rd pick?


No, it should't. If you look at the quality of his linemates and team overall from season to season you'll notice a huge change in quality, as the team went from champions (losing 8 games) to losing 30 games this season. And yet despite that Beaucage has still managed to put up 1 goal more in 5 less games.

2018/19: https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/890/rouyn-noranda-huskies/2018-2019?tab=stats
2019/20: https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/890/rouyn-noranda-huskies/2019-2020?tab=stats

In 2018/19 Beaucage was 3rd with 79 points in 68 games, and played with two guys putting up 85 and 111 points.

This season he's by far the leading scorer with 70 points in 63 games, and his 40 goals are almost double the next player on the team.

It's easy to just look at his totals and assume that he hasn't progressed, but the fact is that he's now carrying the teams offense on his own, and it's pretty remarkable that he's still putting up points at over PPG pace without any support.

That's why I think it's fair to say that his stock has risen this year, because he's proven that he can drive offense by himself rather than being a product of a good team or other linemates.
4 août 2020 à 18 h 41
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No, it should't. If you look at the quality of his linemates and team overall from season to season you'll notice a huge change in quality, as the team went from champions (losing 8 games) to losing 30 games this season. And yet despite that Beaucage has still managed to put up 1 goal more in 5 less games.

2018/19: https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/890/rouyn-noranda-huskies/2018-2019?tab=stats
2019/20: https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/890/rouyn-noranda-huskies/2019-2020?tab=stats

In 2018/19 Beaucage was 3rd with 79 points in 68 games, and played with two guys putting up 85 and 111 points.

This season he's by far the leading scorer with 70 points in 63 games, and his 40 goals are almost double the next player on the team.

It's easy to just look at his totals and assume that he hasn't progressed, but the fact is that he's now carrying the teams offense on his own, and it's pretty remarkable that he's still putting up points at over PPG pace without any support.

That's why I think it's fair to say that his stock has risen this year, because he's proven that he can drive offense by himself rather than being a product of a good team or other linemates.


In a sense it should be expected that his numbers improve. After all he's a drafted asset and probably one of the most experienced one in his team. But yeah my point still is that I wouldn't move Palat for the guy.
4 août 2020 à 18 h 42
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I don't know anything about Beaucage, but shouldn't the fact his point statistics didn't change at all from the year he was drafted suggest that he's still about worth just that mid 3rd pick?


Many people on here ridiculously overvalue recently drafted prospects that have yet to play even an AHL game.. lol, not saying that's what Richard88 is doing on this thread but I see it quite often on CapFriendly.
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Many people on here ridiculously overvalue recently drafted prospects that have yet to play even an AHL game.. lol, not saying that's what Richard88 is doing on this thread but I see it quite often on CapFriendly.


Yeah. Juniors hype is a wild thing on this site.

Some of the Leafs fans are the worst example of that... I've heard such a wild comparisons coming from them it's actually unreal.
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4 août 2020 à 18 h 54
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Many people on here ridiculously overvalue recently drafted prospects that have yet to play even an AHL game.. lol, not saying that's what Richard88 is doing on this thread but I see it quite often on CapFriendly.


I may be doing that actually, so it's a fair point. It's hard to place a value on prospects, or trade value of players with NTC's for that matter.

Whatever the case I think Colorado has the assets and capspaceto pull a trade like this off and thereby have a ridiculously deep lineup next year.
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4 août 2020 à 19 h 4
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I may be doing that actually, so it's a fair point. It's hard to place a value on prospects, or trade value of players with NTC's for that matter.

Whatever the case I think Colorado has the assets and capspaceto pull a trade like this off and thereby have a ridiculously deep lineup next year.


That's fair.

Totally agree, the Avs should be spending some assets to win a cup soon.
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Yeah. Juniors hype is a wild thing on this site.

Some of the Leafs fans are the worst example of that... I've heard such a wild comparisons coming from them it's actually unreal.


Yeah its just nuts, like how does some guy who was like a 4th or 5th round pick suddenly become worth a 1st?.. Lol
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I think Tampa would have to pay significantly more if there really is a team that is interested and taking BOTH of those players. That would solve their RFA problems I would imagine.
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I think Tampa would have to pay significantly more if there really is a team that is interested and taking BOTH of those players. That would solve their RFA problems I would imagine.


Neither of Palat or Killorn are cap dumps though, they won't have to pay to move either of them.
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Neither of Palat or Killorn are cap dumps though, they won't have to pay to move either of them.


I know they aren't cap dumps, but there really isn't another playoff team that they would waive for that could take them both on. Killorn is the easiest to move. Palat not so much with his NTC and cap hit. Maybe the answer is just taking less from Colorado idk. Tampa would be incredibly lucky if Colorado ask for both of them.
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That's fair.

Totally agree, the Avs should be spending some assets to win a cup soon.

What assets? Cap space? For sure. Future draft picks? Sure. Prospects named Byram or Newhook? No unless an ELITE indisputable elite player is coming back. Prospects named Timmins, Bowers, Kaut or Annunen? Not unless it’s for a top 6 NON rental forward.
I would be very happy if Sakic continued a conservative course, because more often than not team over pay for rental guys that don’t move the needle.
4 août 2020 à 20 h 10
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Not too sure about this one, chief. Ava are gunna need to end up doing cap dumps of their own as soon as next offseason if they do this trade. Makar, Landeskog, Grubauer all need extensions
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What assets? Cap space? For sure. Future draft picks? Sure. Prospects named Byram or Newhook? No unless an ELITE indisputable elite player is coming back. Prospects named Timmins, Bowers, Kaut or Annunen? Not unless it’s for a top 6 NON rental forward.
I would be very happy if Sakic continued a conservative course, because more often than not team over pay for rental guys that don’t move the needle.


Where did I say trade for rentals? lol
I agree, trading for pricey rentals is a bad move for most teams, trading a 4th for a rental like Namestnikov was a great move though!

Idk what kind of assets but I wasn't implying Byram or Newhook but a couple mid round picks for a guy like Killorn would be a great move for the Avs.
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4 août 2020 à 20 h 34
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Not too sure about this one, chief. Ava are gunna need to end up doing cap dumps of their own as soon as next offseason if they do this trade. Makar, Landeskog, Grubauer all need extensions


Fair point. I figure that we could cut at least 1 notable contract with the Expansion Draft to open up some capspace.
4 août 2020 à 23 h 1
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Why would Avs want those guys and get so close to the cap? How about the expensive signings for 21/22.
Doubt if Palat waives anyway, and really is his worth his 5.3m cap hit now?
4 août 2020 à 23 h 15
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Not too sure about this one, chief. Ava are gunna need to end up doing cap dumps of their own as soon as next offseason if they do this trade. Makar, Landeskog, Grubauer all need extensions


What cap dumps? The only forwards signed currently signed for 3 or more years are Rantanen (5), MacKinnon (3), Compher (3), Donskoi (3), dmen Girard (7), and Johnson (3). Sakic has been loathe to sign guys to long term deals that aren’t part of the core which means the Avs cap space by year as of right now 22.4M, 41M, 47.6M, and 67.6M. Obviously that changes with extensions to Makar and Landeskog but the Avs are sitting pretty so long as they don’t hand out long term deals to non core players.
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I’d rather only take on one of Palat or Kilhorn and use the remaining cap space to bring back Namestnikov
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4 août 2020 à 23 h 48
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Quoting: Xqb15
What cap dumps? The only forwards signed currently signed for 3 or more years are Rantanen (5), MacKinnon (3), Compher (3), Donskoi (3), dmen Girard (7), and Johnson (3). Sakic has been loathe to sign guys to long term deals that aren’t part of the core which means the Avs cap space by year as of right now 22.4M, 41M, 47.6M, and 67.6M. Obviously that changes with extensions to Makar and Landeskog but the Avs are sitting pretty so long as they don’t hand out long term deals to non core players.


OP has 4.75 mill towards burakosky plus Killorn and palat. W he you consider Landeskogs raise he gets next year, that’s a very expensive top 9
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OP has 4.75 mill towards burakosky plus Killorn and palat. W he you consider Landeskogs raise he gets next year, that’s a very expensive top 9

Yeah but I wouldn’t do Killorn Palat trade. The Avs imo need to be very selective with money expenditure and draft well, something they finally seem to finally be doing right.
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Yeah but I wouldn’t do Killorn Palat trade. The Avs imo need to be very selective with money expenditure and draft well, something they finally seem to finally be doing right.


Okay but the whole point of my original post you replied top was that taking on Killorn/palat as cap dumps would result in the Avs needing to do their own cap dumps next summer.

Obviously if they don’t take the cap dumps they are fine
 
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