Kadri for Cirelli or Danault

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Créé par: Richard88

Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 31 juill. 2020

Publié: 31 juill. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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I had a look at Kadri's analytics and thought it was worth exploring what options might be out there if we decided to make a change at 2C.

For reference here's a post I made on HFBoards discussing Kadri's analytics: https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/172692659/

Obviously analytics aren't everything, and Kadri is still a positive possession player pacing 31 goals this season. But if we can get a younger 2C like Cirelli or Danault it might be worth considering.

Either way I'm keen to hear some thoughts on these ideas in the comments...

Transactions

COL

Cirelli, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (TBL)

Détails additionnels:

Colorado signs Cirelli with term at around $5m x 6 years.

TBL

Kadri, Nazem (1 000 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

Tampa get a replacement for Cirelli at $3.5m AAV. 2nd round pick is for the retention.

COL

Danault, Phillip
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CHI)

Détails additionnels:

Colorado extends Danault at $5m x 5 years.

MTL

Kadri

COL

Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (MTL)

MTL

Kadri

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Nazem Kadri: 1 000 000 $ (22.22%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
14	81 500 000 $	57 918 928 $	0 $	2 500 000 $	23 581 072 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Landeskog, Gabriel 5 571 429 $5 571 429 $ AG, C M-NTC UFA - 1	MacKinnon, Nathan 6 300 000 $6 300 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C UFA - 5
Calvert, Matt 2 850 000 $2 850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1		Donskoi, Joonas 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ AD UFA - 3
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1		Compher, J.T. 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3

	Danault, Phillip 3 083 333 $3 083 333 $ C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Cole, Ian 3 450 000 $3 450 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Johnson, Erik 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Grubauer, Philipp 3 333 333 $3 333 333 $ G UFA - 1
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 7	Makar, Cale 880 833 $880 833 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) DD UFA - 1	Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 2

31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 47

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Unfortunately both decline, value wise at least

31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 48

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@fckmattcooke Curious to hear your thoughts on this since you're into analytics as well.

31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 48

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Unfortunately both decline, value wise at least

What would make the trades balanced? Removing the picks?

31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 49

DiehardRedWingsFan58

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Both Tampa and Montreal laugh

Both Cirelli and Danault are worth more then an aging Kadri.

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31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 50

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I added a 3rd idea, Kadri for Domi+.

31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 51

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While Kadri is good and so is his contract, I'd rather have an elite defensive 2C than him.

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31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 51

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

Both Tampa and Montreal laugh

Both Cirelli and Danault are worth more then an aging Kadri.

Can you elaborate on what would make the trade balanced? Does Colorado need to add? If so, what do they add?

31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 51

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Think you are overvaluing Kadri pretty significantly in the Cirelli and Danault deals.

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31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 53

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Quoting: Richard88

I added a 3rd idea, Kadri for Domi+.

In that case Montreal isn't adding, Colorado should. Kadri is 5 years older for roughly the same production

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31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 53

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avs would do the first two deals as they are great value for colorado. not interested in domi.

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31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 53

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Quoting: Richard88

Can you elaborate on what would make the trade balanced? Does Colorado need to add? If so, what do they add?

They need to add big time, Neither of those team are trading good 2C for an aging player. Both Tampa and Montreal decline Kadri isn't a piece that gets you either player try more like Newhook for a starter.

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31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 57

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Quoting: SevenLeg

While Kadri is good and so is his contract, I'd rather have an elite defensive 2C than him.

How about a 3 way trade, something like:

To Colorado: Danault
To Montreal: Top 4 LHD
To 3rd team: Kadri

The 3rd team could be anyone who needs a 2C, like Florida, Minnesota, Buffalo, Columbus, or Calgary, to name a few examples. Maybe Montrela could receive Yandle++; Gavrikov/Nutivara/Murray; or one of Hanifin or Valimaki for example. Kadri nixed a trade to Calgary last summer though.

31 juill. 2020 à 9 h 58

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

Both Tampa and Montreal laugh

Both Cirelli and Danault are worth more then an aging Kadri.

Tampa won't be laughing at much of anything this off season. Take out the pick and that's actually not a terrible idea for them. Depends on how the numbers look though, as adding any cash to their payroll is tough.

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31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 1

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

Think you are overvaluing Kadri pretty significantly in the Cirelli and Danault deals.

Kadri is a 30+30 C, and is in his prime years which works perfectly for Tampa given that they want to win right now. Getting a 2C at $3.5m AAV for 2 years would help them a lot during the cap crunch years.

Danault has never shown that he can produce away from Gallagher and Tatar on the 1st line. He may be elite defensively but I don't think the value between him and Kadri is as significant as you're saying.

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 1

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Montreal and Tampa might be on Kadri's no trade list, especially the former. I don't think he'll want to go to Montreal after being in the Leafs organization for so long.

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 2

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

avs would do the first two deals as they are great value for colorado. not interested in domi.

I agree. I threw in the Domi one more out of curiosity of responses, though it would be a bit of a downgrade probably.

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 3

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Quoting: mondo

Montreal and Tampa might be on Kadri's no trade list, especially the former. I don't think he'll want to go to Montreal after being in the Leafs organization for so long.

Why would Tampa be on his no-trade list? It's a great team in a nice city, and in an income tax free state.

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31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 5

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Quoting: SuckMyAvs

Yeah maybe it was a bit ambitious to include picks, but I think Tampa would have to at least think about this. Worth bearing in mind that Sakic could easily drop an offersheet on them for Cirelli, in which case they only get a 1st + 3rd (and maybe a 2nd) in compensation, whereas in this trade they'd be getting back a really cheap 2C signed for 2 years which lines up well with the Point contract.

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 7

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Quoting: Richard88

Why would Tampa be on his no-trade list? It's a great team in a nice city, and in an income tax free state.

I said might. Montreal's more likely to be. Toronto and Tampa are divisional rivals.

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31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 14

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MTL decline both

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 15

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Quoting: SuckMyAvs

Doesn't matter a 29 year old Kadri isn't getting you Cirelli and Tampa sure as hell isn't sending a 2nd on top of him.

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 18

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

Both Tampa and Montreal laugh

Both Cirelli and Danault are worth more then an aging Kadri.

Lol "aging" Kadri - he's 30 with 2 years left under 5 million , is a walk for 30 Goals and sucks to play against

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31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 19

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

Doesn't matter a 29 year old Kadri isn't getting you Cirelli and Tampa sure as hell isn't sending a 2nd on top of him.

Ok take out the pick. Kadri (with retention) + pick/prospect for Cirelli. Tampa get a super cheap 2C for 2 years during their prime cup window. And also remove the OS threat from Colorado. Not a bad solution for them.

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 20

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Quoting: Boomer125

Lol "aging" Kadri - he's 30 with 2 years left under 5 million , is a walk for 30 Goals and sucks to play against

Technically he's actually 29. Your point still stands though.

31 juill. 2020 à 10 h 22

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

Doesn't matter a 29 year old Kadri isn't getting you Cirelli and Tampa sure as hell isn't sending a 2nd on top of him.

Hence why I said take out the pick. In a vacuum Kadri doesn't get Cirelli (mainly due to age), but the Bolts are in a pretty big pickle. They need to worry more about icing the best team possible during the flat cap era than winning a trade. This can all change if they're able to move guys with trade protection, but it's not a ludicrous offer under the circumstances.

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