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Équipe: 2020-21 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 30 juill. 2020
Publié: 30 juill. 2020
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NYR
  1. Mantha, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
DET
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
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  1. Ciccolini, Eric [Liste de réserve]
  2. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
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NYR
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. Juolevi, Olli
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (VAN)
VAN
  1. Lundqvist, Henrik
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (NYR)
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30 juill. 2020 à 11 h 55
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We're getting rid of 1, no more, no less
30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 0
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The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom
30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 2
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom


Something like that is what I was thinking. Send him to a team that needs a #1, and possible get a vet in return. I just picked VAN. CALG fits too
30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 6
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Wings pass. Scoring goals is their issue so why trade a goal scorer for a goalie? This year there are alot of UFA goalies and wings have cap space. Why would they trade apiece of need for another piece of need, it is like robbing closing one hole and opening another.
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 7
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom


Rangers would never do that. The idea that Lucic and Lundqvist are even close in value is kind of unbelievable
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 7
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Canes keep Necas
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 8
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Wings pass. Scoring goals is their issue so why trade a goal scorer for a goalie? This year there are alot of UFA goalies and wings have cap space. Why would they trade apiece of need for another piece of need, it is like robbing closing one hole and opening another.


Value wise too that is considerably off. Mantha is a damn fine hockey player, and, not that Georgiev is not, but goalies always seem to be valued less, so that is not even close to getting Mantha.
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 10
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I certainly like the idea of getting rid of LE with 2 years left for Hank with 1, but for $2.5 (give or take) cheaper we can keep Markstrom. Also hoping OJ can push for a spot this coming season, so for those reasons, Van declines.
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 12
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Rangers would never do that. The idea that Lucic and Lundqvist are even close in value is kind of unbelievable


If they were *both* going into the last year of their contracts, it might make a bit of sense, because the Rags would clear off $2.5 mil in space by getting rid of a goalie that is pretty much done, but yeah, taking on 3 more years of Lucic is a huuuuuge no.
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 13
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None of these trades go through.

Don't know if you over value Georgiev or under value mantha but it takes more than a 3rd to get that deal done.

Why would carolina give up Necas who is already much better than strome? Nobody is gonna be fooled by stromes one good year that panarin dragged out of him.

And Vancouver just simply doesn't need a goalie.
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 15
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I'm not sure how anyone thinks Georgiev (him of the 3.00GAA average in his NHL career in 77 games) is worth an Anthony Mantha-type player, let alone any top 6/top 4 player.
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 16
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It'll take a lot more than Georgiev and a 3rd to get you Mantha
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 16
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Quoting: Jambo
Rangers would never do that. The idea that Lucic and Lundqvist are even close in value is kind of unbelievable


You clearly didnt understand my thought process.
Lundqvist will be an overpaid 39yr old goaltender whos been on the decline for two years (actually look at the numbers).
In order to move Lundqvist, you need to take back another teams cap dump (AGM here proposed Eriksson from VAN).
I stated that CGY is probably a better fit than VAN as VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom, and CGY doesnt (and would like to dump Lucic).

Now read my post slowly. I never implied a 1 for 1 deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist, I stated a deal involving those pieces + are a better fit than a deal with VAN
30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 19
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Quoting: Lenny7
If they were *both* going into the last year of their contracts, it might make a bit of sense, because the Rags would clear off $2.5 mil in space by getting rid of a goalie that is pretty much done, but yeah, taking on 3 more years of Lucic is a huuuuuge no.


The comparison is taking back:
2 yrs x 6mil for Eriksson
vs
3 yrs x5.25mil for Lucic

Yes the 1 year extra sucks, but its 750k less and Im confident Lucic will be more productive than Eriksson
30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 22
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The comparison is taking back:
2 yrs x 6mil for Eriksson
vs
3 yrs x5.25mil for Lucic

Yes the 1 year extra sucks, but its 750k less and Im confident Lucic will be more productive than Eriksson


True, but they'd be better off skipping the whole thing by just buying Hank out. They save the $3 mil in year one, and have a very modest $1.5 mil hit in year 2.
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True, but they'd be better off skipping the whole thing by just buying Hank out. They save the $3 mil in year one, and have a very modest $1.5 mil hit in year 2.


Strange, when I create an AGM for the 2020-2021 season and buyout Lundqvist, it shows a 5.5mil cap hit year one and 1.5mil year two (EDIT) misread your original comment as the cap hit year 1 was 3mil, not the savings. 5.5 mil is alot to eat. youd save money on Lucic year one (getting him "free) and he'd only cost you 3.75mil year two (which isnt terrible value)
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 30
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this team is weird.... I'm not sure your reasoning on a lot of this.
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 39
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Strange, when I create an AGM for the 2020-2021 season and buyout Lundqvist, it shows a 5.5mil cap hit year one and 1.5mil year two


Yup, which would be $3 mil in saving in year one. I kind of typed it in weird by going with the savings as the first number, and the second year hit with the other grimace
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30 juill. 2020 à 12 h 39
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Not only did you either undervalue Mantha or overvalue Georgiev but Mantha isn’t signing that contract. Carolina isn’t going to bite on that.
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30 juill. 2020 à 13 h 43
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Must be a no from Wings, Georgiev does not have this value yet.
30 juill. 2020 à 13 h 45
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom


Why would Lundqvist, who loves NYC, waive his clause?
30 juill. 2020 à 13 h 47
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Lolol you forgot to add in kakko, DeAngelo, fox, shesterkin, Andersson, chityl, both firsts this year, Miller and kravtsov to the wings deal
30 juill. 2020 à 14 h 7
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Quoting: McRanteskog
You clearly didnt understand my thought process.
Lundqvist will be an overpaid 39yr old goaltender whos been on the decline for two years (actually look at the numbers).
In order to move Lundqvist, you need to take back another teams cap dump (AGM here proposed Eriksson from VAN).
I stated that CGY is probably a better fit than VAN as VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom, and CGY doesnt (and would like to dump Lucic).

Now read my post slowly. I never implied a 1 for 1 deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist, I stated a deal involving those pieces + are a better fit than a deal with VAN


ok sure. CGY definitely would be a better fit just based on goalie need. But no matter the package I think the rangers can't afford to bring in Lucic in return for 3 years. Just too awful a contract. If taking on Lucic in any fashion from CGY is involved the Rangers can't do it
30 juill. 2020 à 15 h 12
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Detroit laughs
30 juill. 2020 à 22 h 5
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Ranger fans apparently still 1994 dreaming......NO from Detroit
 
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