In my opinion...I think these charts lack context. It's why I like to use the link below. The Content part is the most important part to me. In my mind this section puts all of the analytics into perspective.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR

Filter through Pulock, Pelech, Devon Toews. Pulock and Pelech get rolled out against the best lines. Sometimes Devon Toews shifts out there just because Pulock is a beast. I'm not trying to suggest Devon Toews is a bust. Please don't take it that way. I'm just saying NYI should probably keep Toews and play him with Dobson. CHI should keep Kubalik because I think he'll score 40+ goals next year. He got 30 this year when he started with 8-10 ATOI. He scored 30 points his last 33 games. He's just a rookie. I think both teams are better off.

As for the system. I think the macro affects are night and day. Worst to First in goals allowed. Much of the same defenders. Even Greiss's numbers went from .892 to .927.

AND who brought Mitch Korn from NSH, to WSH, to NYI???

Ok, credit to trotz for having a goalie guru on his staff. His system still stifles offense and he refuses to play young talent. There’s a reason why he’s only made it past the 2nd round once in his career.

it isnt

I mean once in his career with the Isles, right? Won the Cup in WAS, no? BUT I do agree and understand the "old school" mentality of veterans. As a Hawks fan it was one of Q's downfalls too. Refused to allow rookies proper ice time to develop. Hexy with PHI refused to bring up Hart which clearly Hart was ready. I hear ya.

Yes I think Chicago will be happy to keep Kubalik, but in my armchair team, Lafreniere, Kane, DeBrincat & Marner are taking up the top 6 spots at wing, so there's no room for him. That's why I traded him, they're loaded up front, they could use some defensive help especially w/Keith declining on the top pair.

It's true that Toews has so far only been used on the 2nd pairing, but since they're also getting Brodin, they don't need him to play a bigger role in the time being. You could look for other options like Vince Dunn or Jakob Chychrun, but even their QOC is not very high.

Perhaps you could trade Kubalik for someone like Theodore (VGK) or Lindholm (ANA), but IDK if he has enough value to get a defenceman of that caliber. Another option you have is to trade the 1st overall pick for an elite LHD & keep Kubalik. You can still have an elite level team that way.

Well then, let's hear your example of what you think he's worth from Chicago. Cuz I've tried my best.

1-remove the retention
2-replace Saad with Boqvist
3-move the first to 2020
4-add a 2nd this year or next, whatever

done, You have Marner's value to the Leafs if they want to trade him to chicago. Does Chicago do it? probably not, but then i dont care. That's what marner would cost if they want him bad enough, minimum

The only time trotz has made it past the 2nd round is the year he won the cup with Washington, and according to caps fans the main reason they won is because backstrom injury forced trotz to play vrana in the top 6.

Trotz is so stubborn it’s self defeating. He will scratch a young player for making one mistake but old grinders are given a long leash even with continuous bad play.

If trotz had someone else making the lineup decisions for him based on skill/results , the isles offensive numbers would be nowhere near as bad.

It's funny how you guys are all insulting my knowledge & calling me a troll when the actual problem is you're way overvaluing Marner. Marner for Debrincat & Boqvist? I hate to break it to you but Marner has less value than DeBrincat 1 for 1. This can be proven by stats.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeCAxmxWAAI-LiG?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeCAxpjXoAM42Mk?format=jpg&name=small

Yeah I definitely don't think Chicago accepts, especially if the 1st turns into first overall. But I can understand why Toronto wants that much.

you troll twitter, insta, and cf with ur bs, its funny at this point to see what guys actually respect your opinion and side with you and use your opinions as back up, gotta hand it to you you play the troll very well, https://twitter.com/Mikey51771189/with_replies the gig is up

aren't the blue bars supposed to be good? marner has more of them.

I've definitely had times in the past in which you could suspect me of trolling, but I am 100% serious with this post.

That's true, but the ones where he is red, it's very low. DeBrincat is more well-rounded, that's why his value is higher.

Hey look, a guy with a position and facts to back it up. Well done and with you on this one. Ignore the sub-moronic toilet water drinkers on this site.

Thanks for the feedback. I can understand the thinking in not wanting to trade Kubalik because he was one of the best even-strength goal scorers this season & will only get better. If you are to keep both Kubalik & Lafreniere, then there would be no need for Marner & you can roll something like Kubalik-Toews-Kane, Lafreniere-Strome-Cat, Kurahsev-Dach-Nylander which is still quite lethal.

To your point about Keith. Indeed, he was the best defenceman in the league during his prime. However, his performance over the last 2 seasons has declined significantly. He's still decent at generating offence, but his even-strength defensive play is poor as he is near the bottom of the league in ability to prevent scoring chances & zone entries. He doesn't add a lot of value to special teams either.


Obviously it would help for him to not play on the top pair, but IDK if he's going to be effective on the second pairing either. Maybe, but based on his results, he is a negative impact player overall, so it only seems ideal for him to sheltered on the third pair. This is why I traded Kubalik/Lafreniere for another high caliber LHD (Lindholm/Toews) & brought in 9 million dollar Marner to replace one of those forwards.

I guess they can just keep De Haan & either resign him or sign someone solid at free agency. He's a very solid shutdown defender, but there is a lot of uncertainty because of his injuries.

Thanks for the feedback. Personally, I value Lindholm as a top pairing number 1 defenceman on an excellent contract. However, I agree that Lafreniere should have more value to him. Would you trade him for Shea Theodore?

Lafreniere is going to be a bigger star than both Hughes & Chabot but he could easily become a bust as well, so it's unlikely for a team to trade a D of that caliber for him.

Maybe I could've just kept De Haan. Would've been able to keep the 1st that way.

dk bout you but im taking that risk everyday of the week if it means lafreniere

I think Lindholm is a #3 defenseman. I'd do 1OA for Theodore + 2nd rounder (or something equal to a 2nd rounder)