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Bottom 25 players according to WAR

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Équipe: 2019-20 Équipe personnalisée
Date de création initiale: 20 juill. 2020
Publié: 27 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Not my opinion, just their WAR in the 19-20 season

The higher up you are, worse your WAR was.

I know that a lot of these guys are young rookies who werent NHL ready.

Zaitsev was worse with -1.5 WAR, the 2nd worst player, Perlini, only had -1 WAR.

The gap between Zaitsev and Perlini was equal to the gap between Perlini and Jesper Boqvist who was 28th
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24999 999 999 $58 300 790 $0 $1 060 000 $941 699 209 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
874 125 $874 125 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Predators de Nashville
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
833 333 $833 333 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
700 000 $700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
3 166 666 $3 166 666 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 700 000 $5 700 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
AD, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
863 333 $863 333 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
AG, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
3 375 000 $3 375 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
775 000 $775 000 $ (Bonis de performance60 000 $$60K)
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Islanders de New York
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
863 333 $863 333 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
5 400 000 $5 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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27 juill. 2020 à 2 h 1
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I'll remember this for the next time a Jets fan offers Sami Niku for Dylan Strome.
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27 juill. 2020 à 2 h 19
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That's the dumbest stat on planet earth.
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27 juill. 2020 à 2 h 20
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That's the dumbest stat on planet earth.


how is war even measured in hockey...always thought of it as a baseball stat
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27 juill. 2020 à 2 h 26
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how is war even measured in hockey...always thought of it as a baseball stat


I just read an article about it and the article was made in 2015. Not sure when they implemented it. All I know is, if you put a complete team on the ice, you're a Stanley Cup contender. I hate advanced stats and analytical people. Teams that weigh too heavy on analytics fail. I wonder why??? Maybe it's because they think they are smarter than everyone else and think know it all, not sure. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to build a contender.
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27 juill. 2020 à 3 h 17
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I just read an article about it and the article was made in 2015. Not sure when they implemented it. All I know is, if you put a complete team on the ice, you're a Stanley Cup contender. I hate advanced stats and analytical people. Teams that weigh too heavy on analytics fail. I wonder why??? Maybe it's because they think they are smarter than everyone else and think know it all, not sure. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to build a contender.


The advanced stats have ruined baseball , its like you manage off a spread sheet. The binder says do this when it's 3 to 1 in the 7th and there's 1 out and it's a 2 to 1 count with a man on first.
27 juill. 2020 à 3 h 22
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Quoting: Bf3351
That's the dumbest stat on planet earth.


+/- if definitely worse
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27 juill. 2020 à 3 h 26
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+/- if definitely worse


No it isn't. I agree that it isn't the end all be all, but it serves a purpose. If you are more than a -15 on a non rebuilding team that's not a coincidence, you're probably bad at defense.
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27 juill. 2020 à 5 h 35
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What the hell is even WAR?
27 juill. 2020 à 6 h 7
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Jesus I didn't remember seeing Sami that bad, but he was garbage defensively in every game I watched
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27 juill. 2020 à 6 h 56
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Not surprised at all by most of these.

This shines a light at NYR trying to pawn off Howden in AGM trades as if he's still a top prospect. This WAR is hideous combined with the fact that Howden's CF% and FF% is literally being THE worst in the entire league among forwards who have played over 60 games.
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27 juill. 2020 à 7 h 3
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I just read an article about it and the article was made in 2015. Not sure when they implemented it. All I know is, if you put a complete team on the ice, you're a Stanley Cup contender. I hate advanced stats and analytical people. Teams that weigh too heavy on analytics fail. I wonder why??? Maybe it's because they think they are smarter than everyone else and think know it all, not sure. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to build a contender.


Analytics isn't the be-all-end-all, but it definitely has it's place, you just need to use it the right way and not be overly reliant on it. It also helps if your GM has a coherent vision for how to build a roster, and can correctly assess team needs and value in the trade market relative to analytics. The analytics themselves are just one factor in the decision making process, but they do help support decisions.

For example, Sakic is a GM who uses analytics quite a bit, and his moves last offseason have largely all been successful and were mostly based on analytics. Burakovsky had great transition stats which suggested that he'd be a good fit for Colorado's system. Donskoi had great defensive metrics, making him a solid middle 6 acquisition. Sakic also took a flyer on Nichuskin despite the fact that he hadn't scored a goal for a entire season and had just been bought out by Dallas, based entirely on the fact that his defensive stats were very good - and he's been proven 100% right to take that gamble.

Now if you're a GM who tries to manage an NHL team like it's exactly like baseball, you're going to have a hard time. Baseball is made up of a series of very compartmentalised and quantifiable events, so it's far easier to play moneyball there that it is in a sport that is as free flowing and unpredictable as hockey.
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27 juill. 2020 à 7 h 11
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I wonder why??? Maybe it's because they think they are smarter than everyone else and think know it all

That's literally you...

...

" Already prepared to be called " incompetent " or " stupid " or whatever insult
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27 juill. 2020 à 7 h 54
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No it isn't. I agree that it isn't the end all be all, but it serves a purpose. If you are more than a -15 on a non rebuilding team that's not a coincidence, you're probably bad at defense.


It's an absolutely horrible stat that doesn't take into account the sieve playing between the pipes, who your 4 teammates are, strength of your opponents, or which zone you typically start your shift in.

Alex Ovechkin had a season where he was -35. He's also had +24 and +26 seasons. The stat tells you nothing about your ability to defend.
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27 juill. 2020 à 8 h 38
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
What the hell is even WAR?


Wins Above Replacement
27 juill. 2020 à 8 h 41
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Quoting: Jfstompers
The advanced stats have ruined baseball , its like you manage off a spread sheet. The binder says do this when it's 3 to 1 in the 7th and there's 1 out and it's a 2 to 1 count with a man on first.


Yeah it's pretty brutal. It's the reason nobody plays small ball anymore- every at bat is either a home run or a strike out. Nobody bunts or tries to steal bases. It's tough to watch
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27 juill. 2020 à 9 h 16
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
What the hell is even WAR?


Lol I don’t know either, or care. But it makes me laugh to see Zaitzev last. I always knew he sucked, but I did not realize he was the worst player in the league.
27 juill. 2020 à 9 h 32
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No it isn't. I agree that it isn't the end all be all, but it serves a purpose. If you are more than a -15 on a non rebuilding team that's not a coincidence, you're probably bad at defense.


Or you play on the PP and in late game situations (empty net).
27 juill. 2020 à 10 h 6
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WAR is a pretty stupid stat (as are most advanced stats), but it doesn't surprise me one bit to see a bunch of Holland signings up there.
27 juill. 2020 à 10 h 8
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Yeah most of these guys suck pretty bad. Im just shocked no melker Karlsson
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27 juill. 2020 à 10 h 45
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It's an absolutely horrible stat that doesn't take into account the sieve playing between the pipes, who your 4 teammates are, strength of your opponents, or which zone you typically start your shift in.

Alex Ovechkin had a season where he was -35. He's also had +24 and +26 seasons. The stat tells you nothing about your ability to defend.


it actually completely disregards goaltending iirc, and ik that it 100% did adjust for QoT and QoC (QoC is largely irrelevant tho, everybody's is almost identical lol)

+/- is just as much of an offensive stat as it is a defensive one, and by any stat you look at defense is less repeatable than offense
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27 juill. 2020 à 10 h 47
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Yeah most of these guys suck pretty bad. Im just shocked no melker Karlsson


He was like competent on the PK iirc, which by itself is probably enough to just get him off this list lol
27 juill. 2020 à 10 h 49
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Jesus I didn't remember seeing Sami that bad, but he was garbage defensively in every game I watched


with him it's also a smaller sample size thing too hadn't even played 20 games, and wasn't exactly put in the best situation with injuries playing in Pomo's system and not getting consistent ice time iirc
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27 juill. 2020 à 10 h 53
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Quoting: Bf3351
I just read an article about it and the article was made in 2015. Not sure when they implemented it. All I know is, if you put a complete team on the ice, you're a Stanley Cup contender. I hate advanced stats and analytical people. Teams that weigh too heavy on analytics fail. I wonder why??? Maybe it's because they think they are smarter than everyone else and think know it all, not sure. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to build a contender.


this model (assuming it's EW's) is newer than 2015, I'm p sure they have a write up of skater GAR somewhere, but I can't find it

Also just ignore that two of the most analytically heavy teams (CAR and COL) either made the conference finals last year or have probably the brightest future in the game for any team (also Dubas has put together some good teams, he's just not good at the whole contract negotiations thing lol)
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27 juill. 2020 à 11 h 16
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Quoting: bhavikp27
That's literally you...

...

" Already prepared to be called " incompetent " or " stupid " or whatever insult


Lol he calls himself the "Tom Wilson of ACGM".

Thats too nice to himself, more like the Raffi Torres of ACGM, 41 games suspension and he still sucks
27 juill. 2020 à 11 h 40
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Quoting: redw1n9s
WAR is a pretty stupid stat (as are most advanced stats), but it doesn't surprise me one bit to see a bunch of Holland signings up there.


Bet it wouldn't if you had 5 Red Wings in the top25 WAR
 
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