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Kapanen for Severson

Créé par: OldNYIfan
Date de création initiale: jui 21, 2020
Publié: 25 jui à 7 h 55
Équipe: 2020-21 Devils du New Jersey
Explications
I think that this trade is a natural, given New Jersey's lack of depth on RW (unless the Devils want to switch Gusev over to that side, in which case it creates a weakness on LW).

I added the fourth to the draft picks switch because I thought the original offer was insufficient for New Jersey. There are some loose players (like Michael Amadio or Paul LaDue) floating around the Kings roster that could replace the fourth.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Blackwood, Mackenzie34 000 000 $
Bratt, Jesper33 000 000 $
Mueller, Mirco31 750 000 $
Anderson, Joey31 000 000 $
Merkley, Nick2900 000 $
Hayden, John1800 000 $
Jacobs, Josh2800 000 $
White, Colton2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Dillon, Brenden44 000 000 $
Gudas, Radko44 000 000 $
Del Zotto, Michael3950 000 $
Transactions
NJD
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. 2020 6e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Severson, Damon
  2. 2021 3e round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. 2020 2e round pick (VGK)
  2. 2020 3e round pick (CBJ)
  3. 2021 4e round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. 2020 1e round pick (VAN)
Trade suggested by a New Jersey fan
Rachats de contrats
  • Mike Cammalleri: 1 666 667 $
Frais appliqués
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
NJD
ARI
VGK
CBJ
NJD
BOS
NJD
NJD
TOR
NJD
2021
NJD
NYI
ARI
NJD
LAK
NJD
BUF
NJD
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $75 499 999 $0 $3 382 500 $6 000 001 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Hischier, Nico
7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
4 650 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
3 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
NJD
Hughes, Jack
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
NJD
Wood, Miles
2 750 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
NJD
Zajac, Travis
5 750 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Anderson, Joey
1 000 000 $
AD
RFA
NJD
Kuokkanen, Janne
811 666 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
2 250 000 $
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Hayden, John
800 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Dillon, Brenden
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
NJD
Subban, P.K.
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
4 000 000 $
G
RFA
NJD
Butcher, Will
3 733 333 $
DG
UFA - 2
NJD
Carrick, Connor
1 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
NJD
Schneider, Cory
6 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Mueller, Mirco
1 750 000 $
DG
UFA
Gudas, Radko
4 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Del Zotto, Michael
950 000 $
DG
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
NJD
Mcleod, Michael
863 333 $
C
RFA - 1
NJD
Merkley, Nick
900 000 $
C
RFA - 1

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25 jui à 7 h 57
#1
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Imo TOR adds on a Kappy-Severson swap.

In general TOP4 D-men are just more valuable than mid-6 wingers.
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25 jui à 8 h 03
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Quoting: justaBoss
Imo TOR adds on a Kappy-Severson swap.

In general TOP4 D-men are just more valuable than mid-6 wingers.


I think that he's a top-6 RW, particularly on this team. Plus, he's on a very good contract for the Devils.
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25 jui à 8 h 10
#3
NoMansonMurphyDumba
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leafs add in the severson deal

the gudas contract is way to much for way to long

hard to justify the la trade because you don't know where vancovers pick will be
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25 jui à 8 h 17
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I think that he's a top-6 RW, particularly on this team. Plus, he's on a very good contract for the Devils.


He might be a TOP6 RW in Devils, but that tells more about NJ being a bad team, not necessarily Kappy being that good of a player.
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25 jui à 8 h 25
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Quoting: justaBoss
He might be a TOP6 RW in Devils, but that tells more about NJ being a bad team, not necessarily Kappy being that good of a player.


I think that the only way teams like NJ or Anaheim start getting to be good teams is add players like Kapanen. Because he is under team control for several more years, I don't think that Toronto has to add anything. But your position is certainly justifiable, and no less valid than mine!
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25 jui à 8 h 39
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Quoting: keep_ups12
leafs add in the severson deal


No, they don't. New Jersey saves $1.8 million in the first year and a whopping $2.7 million in the second year, and has more years of team control on Kapanen than Severson.

Quoting: keep_ups12
the gudas contract is way to[o] much for way to[o] long


Maybe too much, but not too long. Currently, New Jersey has only seventh-round-pick David Quenneville in the RD pipeline, and Subban's contract expires in two years (thankfully).

Quoting: keep_ups12
hard to justify the la trade because you don't know where Vancouvers pick will be


The assumption is that they don't win more than their play-in matchup and maybe one more round. As an LA fan, I'm fine with it.
25 jui à 9 h 00
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leafs add.
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25 jui à 9 h 01
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
No, they don't. New Jersey saves $1.8 million in the first year and a whopping $2.7 million in the second year, and has more years of team control on Kapanen than Severson.



Maybe too much, but not too long. Currently, New Jersey has only seventh-round-pick David Quenneville in the RD pipeline, and Subban's contract expires in two years (thankfully).



The assumption is that they don't win more than their play-in matchup and maybe one more round. As an LA fan, I'm fine with it.


I don't see the Kings doing this trade. They already have too many picks in the later rounds this year and next. They need quality over quantity.
25 jui à 9 h 17
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Quoting: justaBoss
Imo TOR adds on a Kappy-Severson swap.

In general TOP4 D-men are just more valuable than mid-6 wingers.


But Severson is not a very good defender who is overpayed.

I would not like that deal from a Maple Leafs point of view
25 jui à 9 h 29
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I would suggest that both trades are very bad for New Jersey.

Kapanen is a decent middle 6 winger, not worth severson and mid round picks don't make up for it.

why would you trade a first round pick for a late 2nd and other mid round picks? not worth it.
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25 jui à 9 h 45
#11
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While the value is probably in Torontos favour, Severson isn't a guy they should be looking at. Hes not a first pairing guy on a cup contending team, more of a 3-4D and the Leafs have enough of those. No point in trading an impact player for someone who isn't going to move the needle. I say the Leafs shoot for the stars in a blockbuster trade to acquire a #1, trade for Savard or just leave the roster as is. Any other trades are pretty much pointless
25 jui à 10 h 39
#12
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
While the value is probably in Torontos favour, Severson isn't a guy they should be looking at. Hes not a first pairing guy on a cup contending team, more of a 3-4D and the Leafs have enough of those. No point in trading an impact player for someone who isn't going to move the needle. I say the Leafs shoot for the stars in a blockbuster trade to acquire a #1, trade for Savard or just leave the roster as is. Any other trades are pretty much pointless


And what are they going to give up for a #1 dman, you know it is going to start w/Nylander, is TOR comfortable with that trading arguably their best value contract?
25 jui à 10 h 50
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You've got the Kapanen trade backwards, Leafs need to add not the other way around.

Devils don't do that Kings offer either.
25 jui à 10 h 52
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Quoting: justaBoss
Imo TOR adds on a Kappy-Severson swap.

In general TOP4 D-men are just more valuable than mid-6 wingers.


especially when the defenceman is giving you similar production despite playing for a far worse team
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25 jui à 10 h 53
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A 24 RHD signed for 3 more at a good rate is worth more than a middle 6 guy who has potential to be more.
Enough talk!
25 jui à 11 h 11
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Quoting: Xqb15
And what are they going to give up for a #1 dman, you know it is going to start w/Nylander, is TOR comfortable with that trading arguably their best value contract?


Who said they're gonna trade for a number 1? All I said is its pointless to move current impact players for more of the same. We all saw what happened with the Barrie trade
25 jui à 11 h 17
#17
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
But Severson is not a very good defender who is overpayed.

I would not like that deal from a Maple Leafs point of view


There's a view not shared by many.

I think he's a decent TOP4 D.
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25 jui à 11 h 41
#18
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Kapanen yes
For
Severson no

What about Subban if Jersey retains some amount from his salary ??
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25 jui à 11 h 46
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Quoting: kingsfaninSD
I don't see the Kings doing this trade. They already have too many picks in the later rounds this year and next. They need quality over quantity.


The Kings are giving up the quantity here and getting the quality.
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25 jui à 11 h 50
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
Who said they're gonna trade for a number 1? All I said is its pointless to move current impact players for more of the same. We all saw what happened with the Barrie trade


“ I say the Leafs shoot for the stars in a blockbuster trade to acquire a #1, trade for Savard or just leave the roster as is. Any other trades are pretty much pointless”. This is the part I was questioning, that’s pretty straightforward what I was asking right?
25 jui à 12 h 07
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Quoting: justaBoss
There's a view not shared by many.

I think he's a decent TOP4 D.


And then put him on a team with more talent
25 jui à 12 h 58
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Severson is Barrie 2.0 Pass.
25 jui à 13 h 57
#23
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i would honestly be okay if it was a 1 for 1 no picks needed.
25 jui à 14 h 02
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Quoting: kingsfaninSD
I don't see the Kings doing this trade. They already have too many picks in the later rounds this year and next. They need quality over quantity.


You misread the trade. It's the Kings that are getting the quality first by trading three lower picks.
25 jui à 18 h 02
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
The Kings are giving up the quantity here and getting the quality.


oops, my bad
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