Who could of thought giving Justin Faulk a 6.5 for 7 years was a bad idea?

I’m definitely on the right side of history there lol

I’m sure they will work something out, Bozak or steen will probably be moved teams that have cap space issues find their way out of it.

I thought it was a bit pricey, but never imagined he’d be this bad before it even kicked in.

Nobody has cap space though and I don’t see Armstrong trading a first to move Steen.

Rangers accept. Think you are underselling Gunnar too.

Probably a little, I like the guy but I don’t see teams lining up for him given his cap

$1.7M?

Yeah, I mean you could probably sign a guy for half that and get similar results

you should see the Blues Facebook Group that scrutinized me for calling it one of the dumbest trades, and signings the Blues have ever made, but we are talking about the people who said "we signed an All-Star" former at that and one who dropped off the earth. But it's also the facebook group that called the ROR deal bad because and I quote "we gave up 5 assets for 1 this was so bad Armstrong has to be canned after this one"

I think once you look at the context of Faulk's prior success though it becomes less surprising.

I've seen so much "oh wait until he rediscovers his Hurricanes game" among Blues fans but people seem to forget that the Hurricanes freaking sucked for pretty much his entire career until the last year he was there. That's not Faulk's fault- the Hurricanes didn't have a goaltender and really didn't have any skilled forwards either- but it explains a lot about how he "generated" offense. Faulk takes a lot of shots, which seems like a good thing, but it's only a good thing if he's converting on a lot of those shots, which he doesn't. He's not an elite scorer- again, no biggie, most in the NHL aren't- but if he's not an elite scorer he shouldn't be taking that many shots especially as a defenseman, since most of the time those shots are coming way out from the net and have a little chance of going in anyway, and a high chance of stopping play or worse, turning over to the other team.

This was fine on Carolina, because, like, were any of his teammates all that much better of an option? Well, they are now, and I don't think it's a coincidence that he was expendable once the Canes got good. His play style isn't effective if you have skilled forwards to take shots closer to the net that have a better chance of going in- in fact, it's a drag. Well, the Blues have skilled forwards too, so it's not working here just like it wasn't working there. Couple that with his fine-at-best defensive play and you have a seven year contract for a player who is elite at nothing- never a good thing to have.

If he really wants to be on a contender but also be a part of the solution, he needs to play for someone like, idk, Dallas, who can't score goals to save their lives but have the defense thing locked down so if the other team gains possession it's not a big deal.

I'd be down for this deal tbh.

People are still arguing it was a good signing because he beefed up the special teams. I said b*tch I don’t give a f*ck if he “beefed” up our Special Teams we also got a new Special Teams coach that’s probably what really did it. He’s a third pairing with special teams minutes because Berube cringes at giving him more 5v5 time. Shut up. That’s my exact comment haha.

He also doesn't even play on our special teams anymore. Got booted off PP2 when Parayko came back from injury. So, even if that's something that matters to people, it's not true.

Columbus declines that trade. We need a second line center and trading Texier who could be a second line center is a very very bad idea.

Also Columbus don’t want or need wings. If you’d be interested in moving Schenn then maybe, but we don’t really need a wing.

Understandable, but I figured Foudy is the guy. I would honestly rather do this for Schenn, but he’s got a full NTC and hasn’t played a game on his new contract so he’s going nowhere.

Rangers take that all day. Gunnarson would cover up some of Trouba's offensive risks very well, and makes us better defensively, and would fill that hole until K'Andre is ready.
If the rangers go the route of looking for a cheaper option on a one-year, I think Gunny for a 7th is something they have to jump on

Everyone is way too quick to judge the Faulk move. He was much better toward the end of the regular season, greatly eliminating the D-zone errors that plagued him earlier in the year. It's also fair to think that some (not all) of his issues can be chalked up to learning a new system for the first time in his career and being bounced around between partners and sides every other game for his first few months. Also, The Athletic recently had an analytic-based article that showed he barely missed the top 10 zone exit/entrance D-men in the league - I know, shocked the hell out of me, too. I don't feel their formula for ranking is 100% right, but close enough. Just for the reason that he was never going to get much PP time, which obviously reduces his offensive value, the move is instantly questionable. We weren't set up for him to replicate his top Canes numbers. No doubt about that. Still, his shooting percentage and assist rate were both about half his career average. One could logically guess he will rebound up in these areas. On top of it all, he's spoken about playing poorly, so he's not avoiding the reality and sounds like he's eager to come correct. The skill is there and the motivation is there.

The Pronger trade looked like a horrible mistake at the beginning, too. I'm definitely not saying that Faulk will bounce back to a Pronger level, but he has the capability to come back with much better play. Or, hey, maybe even a proper good Cup run and '21 season that will convince Seattle to exp-draft him if we throw in a little sweetener. I certainly believe he won't play as bad as he did at the start of the season again. He actually is better than that, and I like his chances of proving it.

I'm admittedly tempted by Schwartz - he's the kind of super-skill guy we could really use - but yeah, not for Tex.

My issue is that he was never good in Carolina outside of the powerplay and that the Blues already had four as good or better powerplay options in house. He’s never even eclipsed 1 WAR in a single season in his entire career. I think he’s fine and all, but paying 6.5 million to him until he’s 35 was blasphemous from the start.

Not enough for jaden

I guess if Columbus really wants him, the Blues would ask for their first instead. Ideally we’d want an NHL ready guy, but maybe two firsts and Anderson allows the Blues to move up to say... 9th overall. Idk I’m just spitballing. I’ll be really frustrated if the Faulk/Schenn deals cause Schwartz to walk or get traded.

1- Well, that's not true.

2- Yes, that is true.

3- We shall see. It may not look like it today, but I still think there's a fair chance he'll be off to Seattle. Francis didn't draft him, but he did bear witness to his best seasons and wasn't who traded him.

What am I looking at here? I know he put up empty calorie points on the powerplay. If it’s pointshare, then idk. I’ve read up on it, but I’ve never see anyone else using it so I just assume the other analytical models are a lot better and Faulk looks like a replacement level player at 5v5 in all of them.

I do also subscribe to the “Francis might take Faulk theory,” but I can’t understand why he’d go for Faulk when you can likely get one of Blais, Barbashev, Sanford, or Mikkola.

Personally, I like point shares as an indicator. Then there's his Corsi and Fenwick numbers, possession numbers, all sorts of good stuff there.