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Some moves

Créé par: justaBoss
Date de création initiale: jui 22, 2020
Publié: 22 jui 2020 à 8 h 24
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Reinhart, Sam87 500 000 $
Mete, Victor21 500 000 $
Evans, Jake1874 125 $
Juulsen, Noah1874 125 $
Hudon, Charles1840 000 $
Transactions
MTL
  1. Reinhart, Sam [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2021 2e round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2020 2e round pick (CHI)
MTL
  1. Allen, Jake
STL
  1. Weal, Jordan
MTL
  1. Leddy, Nick
NYI
  1. Kulak, Brett
  2. 2021 5e round pick (PHI)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MTL
MTL
STL
MTL
WSH
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
OTT
2021
MTL
MTL
BUF
MTL
CHI
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $77 813 725 $0 $3 795 000 $3 686 275 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Reinhart, Sam
7 500 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
874 125 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
NYI
Leddy, Nick
5 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Mete, Victor
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
874 125 $
DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Hudon, Charles
840 000 $
AG, AD
RFA

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22 jui 2020 à 8 h 30
#1
burn the pegulas
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sabres decline. reino is our only true 1LW and his chemistry with eichel is out of this world. buff would much rather just give up our 8OA.
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22 jui 2020 à 8 h 37
#2
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If you pick up Allen's contract, you need to get a compensatory pick
22 jui 2020 à 9 h 05
#3
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Buffalo declines, this deal makes no sense.
22 jui 2020 à 9 h 09
#4
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
Buffalo declines, this deal makes no sense.


Both teams decline! Reinhart is good but it's kind of a lateral move for the Habs as he would play in the same position in our lineup that Domi already does 2nd line wing. Domi improves the C position for the Sabres but weakens their wing like you said so it makes no sense for the Sabres either
22 jui 2020 à 9 h 12
#5
CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
If you pick up Allen's contract, you need to get a compensatory pick


Allen had a .927 and a 2.1 GAA we can get a second for him so if you want a good backup who would provide a stable backbone with him and Price then you will have to give up.
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22 jui 2020 à 9 h 29
#6
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Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
If you pick up Allen's contract, you need to get a compensatory pick


Blues fans have no concept of having to pay to shed salary, even with a flat cap and a back-up goalie making $4.35M. Montreal fans need to save themselves a headache and stop targeting Allen.
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22 jui 2020 à 9 h 30
#7
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Allen had a .927 and a 2.1 GAA we can get a second for him so if you want a good backup who would provide a stable backbone with him and Price then you will have to give up.


Allen was less than average in 2017-18 and 2018-19, at $4.35 million per, behind one of the best D in the league
22 jui 2020 à 9 h 30
#8
Sudbury, On
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Allen had a .927 and a 2.1 GAA we can get a second for him so if you want a good backup who would provide a stable backbone with him and Price then you will have to give up.


I've seen you make the post about Allen = 2nd pick. I am wandering which team you believe would be willing to give up a 2nd for Allen?
22 jui 2020 à 10 h 08
#9
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: chloewoj
sabres decline. reino is our only true 1LW and his chemistry with eichel is out of this world. buff would much rather just give up our 8OA.


I think Reinhart isn't going to be in Buffalo for long now. He has one year until he's UFA, and I don't see him re-signing long-term with the Sabres....you might be better off with trading the guy.
22 jui 2020 à 10 h 09
#10
burn the pegulas
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Quoting: justaBoss
I think Reinhart isn't going to be in Buffalo for long now. He has one year until he's UFA, and I don't see him re-signing long-term with the Sabres....you might be better off with trading the guy.

reinhart is a rfa this summer and the sabres plan on signing him long term...i don’t see your reasoning here
22 jui 2020 à 10 h 12
#11
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Quoting: chloewoj
reinhart is a rfa this summer and the sabres plan on signing him long term...i don’t see your reasoning here


Yeah, I think he's pulling what Darnell Nurse did. Signing a very short deal to lead him to free agency. Think almost all of your star players are tired of constantly losing.
22 jui 2020 à 10 h 17
#12
CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: blanche
I've seen you make the post about Allen = 2nd pick. I am wandering which team you believe would be willing to give up a 2nd for Allen?


The biggest thing people don’t understand I went to the summer camps. Allen looked better than what he usually did which is good, but you can’t sleep on him even with the underwhelming stats from the previous year if you look at his road stats they were brilliant. Certain teams would probably be willing to give up a second at a chance to get someone who is on a 1 year deal basis means you aren’t locked for all that long and you can see if he works out he needs new scenery as most have seen he doesn’t do well in Enterprise only on the road. If you get a chance to solidify the backbone teams might take a shot at it. Buffalo, Calgary, San Jose ( under the right circumstances), Carolina, New Jersey (also under the right circumstances),

Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
Allen was less than average in 2017-18 and 2018-19, at $4.35 million per, behind one of the best D in the league


At home was very less than average go look at his away stats then come talk to me.
22 jui 2020 à 10 h 19
#13
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If the Isles are struggling to move Leddy they would need to take a package like you offered. I would think they would then try to trade Kulak as well and re-sign Greene or use Aho as their 3rd LD.
22 jui 2020 à 10 h 28
#14
GM - Avalanche
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How about immediately fire Bergevin, the most incompetent GM in NHL as a starting point.
22 jui 2020 à 10 h 33
#15
mokumboi
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Blues have no use for Weal, give us one of your 500 mid-round draft picks instead.


Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
If you pick up Allen's contract, you need to get a compensatory pick



Funny stuff.
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22 jui 2020 à 11 h 01
#16
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
The biggest thing people don’t understand I went to the summer camps. Allen looked better than what he usually did which is good, but you can’t sleep on him even with the underwhelming stats from the previous year if you look at his road stats they were brilliant. Certain teams would probably be willing to give up a second at a chance to get someone who is on a 1 year deal basis means you aren’t locked for all that long and you can see if he works out he needs new scenery as most have seen he doesn’t do well in Enterprise only on the road. If you get a chance to solidify the backbone teams might take a shot at it. Buffalo, Calgary, San Jose ( under the right circumstances), Carolina, New Jersey (also under the right circumstances),



At home was very less than average go look at his away stats then come talk to me.


Yeah no body gives a **** about summer camp 😆😎
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22 jui 2020 à 11 h 08
#17
Buffsbrain
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isles take that if you give them a depth forward. They would probably want Leddy for a 2nd but with the value of losing big contracts, even if leddy is still a top 4 D man, is through the roof.
22 jui 2020 à 11 h 18
#18
Boris Bagel
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Allen had a .927 and a 2.1 GAA we can get a second for him so if you want a good backup who would provide a stable backbone with him and Price then you will have to give up.


Habs' best option for next season is Primeau. Push Price and then he eventually takes over as #1 starter in a few years.
22 jui 2020 à 12 h 09
#19
dp6154
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the Weal deal is interesting and certainly a reasonable value and an interesting idea but i'm not sure the Blues quite have the cap space or need for him. It would probably take salary retained for a low pick (like Allen and a 6th for weal half retained), which I'm not sure Montreal has cap space for either, or just the Blues getting a pick like a 3rd or a 4th back

Edit: Holy God I just realized how many mid round picks the Canadiens have, yeah we'll just take one of those
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22 jui 2020 à 12 h 15
#20
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Quoting: BorisBagel
Habs' best option for next season is Primeau. Push Price and then he eventually takes over as #1 starter in a few years.


The irony of having Price as your 2G with few years left at $10M+
22 jui 2020 à 12 h 15
#21
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Quoting: TMLSage
How about immediately fire Bergevin, the most incompetent GM in NHL as a starting point.


How do you figure that
22 jui 2020 à 12 h 16
#22
dp6154
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Quoting: blanche
I've seen you make the post about Allen = 2nd pick. I am wandering which team you believe would be willing to give up a 2nd for Allen?


yeah no way in hell does Allen get a second, a 3rd is probably stretching it, he probably brings back a 4th. That said he does bring back a pick or equivalent value. As I said in my comment, save BMU's love for Allen and weird assumption in their own summer camp assessment being a high value consensus feeling among GMs, the Weal deal is good value wise I'm just not sure it's a fit, the Blues have 7 centers in their lineup and 1 healthy scratch center with RFA rights who likely costs under 1M next year, why would they want to add what would be their 7th or 8th most valuable center & push their cap when Montreal has a dumptruck full of middle round picks to give away to tempt the Blues negotiations?

I like Weal, I find the deal interesting, it doesn't fit, 7 Allen does bring back a pick, but the rest of us Blues fan realize a 2nd isn't gonna happen
22 jui 2020 à 14 h 32
#23
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Allen is worth a 3rd, maybe blues add a late pick. Giving up a 3rd for Allen's 1yr @4+ is > then giving an =< backup 3mx2yrs or more in free agency

Most Blues fans don't think Allen is worth a 2nd

And the Blues have no use for weal.
22 jui 2020 à 15 h 50
#24
CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: RobbStark03
Blues fans have no concept of having to pay to shed salary, even with a flat cap and a back-up goalie making $4.35M. Montreal fans need to save themselves a headache and stop targeting Allen.


unknown to most people considering Jake Allen's GSVA over the past 3 years is a 27.25 which goes down to 9.08 WAR. Jake Allen had a .905 this past season, and a .927 this season. Price over the past 3 years has been in the same ballpark as Allen. Allen had a .906 .905 and a .927 Price had a .900 .909 and a .918 and he is make more than twice the amount that Allen makes, and you say it costs us to shed that. You my friend do not have any clue of what you are talking about.
22 jui 2020 à 15 h 53
#25
CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: dp6154
yeah no way in hell does Allen get a second, a 3rd is probably stretching it, he probably brings back a 4th. That said he does bring back a pick or equivalent value. As I said in my comment, save BMU's love for Allen and weird assumption in their own summer camp assessment being a high value consensus feeling among GMs, the Weal deal is good value wise I'm just not sure it's a fit, the Blues have 7 centers in their lineup and 1 healthy scratch center with RFA rights who likely costs under 1M next year, why would they want to add what would be their 7th or 8th most valuable center & push their cap when Montreal has a dumptruck full of middle round picks to give away to tempt the Blues negotiations?

I like Weal, I find the deal interesting, it doesn't fit, 7 Allen does bring back a pick, but the rest of us Blues fan realize a 2nd isn't gonna happen


not neccessarily does he bring in a second, but considering I have been doing a lot of advanced stats, and have looked at his WAR, and GSVA. Allen over the past 3 years has been in the Top 20. regardless of how bad his stat line looks. The quality of shots gotten on him compared to others just hasn't been matched. Easily a third, a second might be pushing it for some people, but looking at his advanced stats his contract isn't actually out of his ballpark market value.
 
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