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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 21 juill. 2020
Publié: 21 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
43 200 000 $
11 850 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1700 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Haas, Gaëtan
  2. Larsson, Adam
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Pick transfers if Larsson resigns
2.
TOR
  1. Faksa, Radek [Droits de RFA]
  2. Oleksiak, Jamie
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (DAL)
3.
TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
NJD
  1. Bracco, Jeremy [Droits de RFA]
  2. Dermott, Travis [Droits de RFA]
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21 juill. 2020 à 2 h 55
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I don't see Edmonton doing that. Maybe for kapenan but not johnsson. If u switched Kap going to Edmonton and johnsson going to Dallas that could work
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21 juill. 2020 à 3 h 21
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I don't see Edmonton doing that. Maybe for kapenan but not johnsson. If u switched Kap going to Edmonton and johnsson going to Dallas that could work


Neither player gets you Larsson. He’s a bruising stay at home top 4 RD, and if he leaves, there’s no one to take his place. Also the value of that deal is not even close to fair for Edmonton.

Edit: there’s also a new rule with the CBA that says there can be no conditional picks based on players signing a contract.
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21 juill. 2020 à 3 h 24
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Quoting: aadoyle
I don't see Edmonton doing that. Maybe for kapenan but not johnsson. If u switched Kap going to Edmonton and johnsson going to Dallas that could work

Doubtful larsson plays a huge role and is the oilers only shutdown d man. Neither of those players really fits a current need nearly enough for what larsson brings to oilers. I think larsson is exactly what Toronto should be looking for just don’t think your gunna get him.
21 juill. 2020 à 6 h 31
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That Dallas trade is pretty bad for Toronto. Easy yes for the Stars
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21 juill. 2020 à 9 h 16
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Quoting: SadlyAnOilFan
Neither player gets you Larsson. He’s a bruising stay at home top 4 RD, and if he leaves, there’s no one to take his place. Also the value of that deal is not even close to fair for Edmonton.

Edit: there’s also a new rule with the CBA that says there can be no conditional picks based on players signing a contract.


Kapanen get you Larson easily. Larsson is on an expiring contract.
21 juill. 2020 à 11 h 23
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Kapanen get you Larson easily. Larsson is on an expiring contract.


A good hockey trade requires an opportunity for both teams to improve. Moving Larsson out of Edmonton immediately sets the team back at least one season, they simply do not have another player ready to fill the critical role Larsson fills. Adding Kapanen might provide some more forward depth, but I don't think that will move the needle enough to compensate for the loss of Larsson.
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21 juill. 2020 à 11 h 31
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A good hockey trade requires an opportunity for both teams to improve. Moving Larsson out of Edmonton immediately sets the team back at least one season, they simply do not have another player ready to fill the critical role Larsson fills. Adding Kapanen might provide some more forward depth, but I don't think that will move the needle enough to compensate for the loss of Larsson.


I don’t think Edmonton is is win now mode. They would be fine to upgrade their depth a bit, it is one of the worst in the league anyway.
21 juill. 2020 à 11 h 37
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oilers pass, take out the third and haas and they consider
21 juill. 2020 à 12 h 32
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I don’t think Edmonton is is win now mode. They would be fine to upgrade their depth a bit, it is one of the worst in the league anyway.


How is Edmonton not in win now mode? They have two superstar caliber players in the prime of there careers. While they may not be at the point where they trade 1st rounders, they should be looking to be a top 8 team in the league.

This move completely obliterates the depth at D. Usually other teams focus on having players that can play defence, instead of spending $81.5 M in overpaid forwards and calling that “depth”.
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21 juill. 2020 à 13 h 31
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I don’t think Edmonton is is win now mode. They would be fine to upgrade their depth a bit, it is one of the worst in the league anyway.


I think your assessment is inaccurate. Edmonton and Toronto are essentially in very similar positions.

With respect to Edmonton's defensive challenges, giveaways/60 is what appears to be killing them. That being stated, giveaways are an area of the game that can be corrected through coaching and it appears the entire group was improving on this through the second half of the season. Even with that improvement, Edmonton cannot boast of having a world-class defense, and they lack a true number 1 d-man. Even with these obvious disadvantages, that group helped the team achieve significant improvements over the previous season, and contributed to making a solid playoff team.
21 juill. 2020 à 14 h 34
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Quoting: uphere
I think your assessment is inaccurate. Edmonton and Toronto are essentially in very similar positions.

With respect to Edmonton's defensive challenges, giveaways/60 is what appears to be killing them. That being stated, giveaways are an area of the game that can be corrected through coaching and it appears the entire group was improving on this through the second half of the season. Even with that improvement, Edmonton cannot boast of having a world-class defense, and they lack a true number 1 d-man. Even with these obvious disadvantages, that group helped the team achieve significant improvements over the previous season, and contributed to making a solid playoff team.


How do you measure a #1 defenseman? I'd say Nurse is right there.

And in the 2nd half (Jan 1 onwards), the Oilers were 10th in the league for GA/GP, so above average but not a top-tier team. Defense isn't as big an issue as many think.
21 juill. 2020 à 15 h 42
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Quoting: SadlyAnOilFan
How is Edmonton not in win now mode? They have two superstar caliber players in the prime of there careers. While they may not be at the point where they trade 1st rounders, they should be looking to be a top 8 team in the league.

This move completely obliterates the depth at D. Usually other teams focus on having players that can play defence, instead of spending $81.5 M in overpaid forwards and calling that “depth”.


Typically, players are in their prime between 25 and 30. Both Mc and Draisaitl are under 25. They aren’t looking to have their best year next year.
21 juill. 2020 à 15 h 45
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Quoting: uphere
I think your assessment is inaccurate. Edmonton and Toronto are essentially in very similar positions.

With respect to Edmonton's defensive challenges, giveaways/60 is what appears to be killing them. That being stated, giveaways are an area of the game that can be corrected through coaching and it appears the entire group was improving on this through the second half of the season. Even with that improvement, Edmonton cannot boast of having a world-class defense, and they lack a true number 1 d-man. Even with these obvious disadvantages, that group helped the team achieve significant improvements over the previous season, and contributed to making a solid playoff team.


I can’t say I understood all this. Are you saying that Larsson is a one d since you don’t have a real one? Because both Nurse and Klefbom are better than him. Man that trade sucked.
21 juill. 2020 à 15 h 47
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How do you measure a #1 defenseman? I'd say Nurse is right there.

And in the 2nd half (Jan 1 onwards), the Oilers were 10th in the league for GA/GP, so above average but not a top-tier team. Defense isn't as big an issue as many think.

Nurse is very good no doubt. I’d take him on the leafs in a millisecond. But I think it is a toss up of whether him or Klefbom is better. Nurse is better at defence and Klefbom at offence. But I can’t see either of them is the reliable 1 d most contenders have.
21 juill. 2020 à 15 h 59
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Nurse is very good no doubt. I’d take him on the leafs in a millisecond. But I think it is a toss up of whether him or Klefbom is better. Nurse is better at defence and Klefbom at offence. But I can’t see either of them is the reliable 1 d most contenders have.


By definition there should be 31 "#1D" in the league. They aren't spread evenly (some teams have two, some none) but I can't see why Nurse wouldn't be considered a top-31 defenseman in the NHL.
21 juill. 2020 à 16 h 26
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How do you measure a #1 defenseman? I'd say Nurse is right there.


Nurse is a great athlete who is becoming a better NHL defenseman with each passing year. He's always been a fantastic skater with an ability to carry the puck out of the defensive end and punish opposition with his rugged play. He seems to be wiser with respect to his physicality, and his defensive positioning has been improving. He also seems to be working on being a more effective passer, and a smarter player once he crosses the offensive blue line. Still I don't think he's playing at an elite level, but he could be soon enough.
21 juill. 2020 à 16 h 44
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I can’t say I understood all this. Are you saying that Larsson is a one d since you don’t have a real one? Because both Nurse and Klefbom are better than him. Man that trade sucked.


I was responding to the comment about where Edmonton is at and the quality of its defense. To be clear, the Oilers do not yet have a truly elite defenseman on their NHL roster. They have some very good defensemen, in the form of Klefbom, and Nurse, and some good defensemen in Larsson, and even Matt Benning (as long as he is deployed appropriately). Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear both appear to be on the rise and have already surpassed expectations as 4th and 5th round picks. Their emergence suggests Edmonton's defense will only continue to improve, especially when consideration is given to the younger players coming up behind them.

With respect to Larsson, he is a physical shutdown player, who at one time had some potential to contribute offense. He is not expected to be an elite top d-man, he is a great partner for Klefbom, just as he was a great partner for Andy Greene before that infamous trade. He brings a balance that gives Edmonton an effective top pair despite a lack of truly elite talent.
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21 juill. 2020 à 16 h 55
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Typically, players are in their prime between 25 and 30. Both Mc and Draisaitl are under 25. They aren’t looking to have their best year next year.


In your opinion, how typical is a combination like McDavid and Draisaitl? Personally, I don't think the same metric applies to them.
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21 juill. 2020 à 17 h 3
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By definition there should be 31 "#1D" in the league. They aren't spread evenly (some teams have two, some none) but I can't see why Nurse wouldn't be considered a top-31 defenseman in the NHL.


I’d say Nurse is top 31. But around the 30 mark I’d say. And he’s not the top d that other contenders have (and no, I’m not considering the leafs in this category, but I do this Rielly is slightly better than Nurse).
21 juill. 2020 à 17 h 5
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I was responding to the comment about where Edmonton is at and the quality of its defense. To be clear, the Oilers do not yet have a truly elite defenseman on their NHL roster. They have some very good defensemen, in the form of Klefbom, and Nurse, and some good defensemen in Larsson, and even Matt Benning (as long as he is deployed appropriately). Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear both appear to be on the rise and have already surpassed expectations as 4th and 5th round picks. Their emergence suggests Edmonton's defense will only continue to improve, especially when consideration is given to the younger players coming up behind them.

With respect to Larsson, he is a physical shutdown player, who at one time had some potential to contribute offense. He is not expected to be an elite top d-man, he is a great partner for Klefbom, just as he was a great partner for Andy Greene before that infamous trade. He brings a balance that gives Edmonton an effective top pair despite a lack of truly elite talent.


Oh ok. But as a question, would you do a Kappy for Larsson.
21 juill. 2020 à 17 h 6
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In your opinion, how typical is a combination like McDavid and Draisaitl? Personally, I don't think the same metric applies to them.

Not typical, but they are still both under contract for another 5 years.
21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 22
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Oh ok. But as a question, would you do a Kappy for Larsson.


No. I think Kapanen would be a nice add for Edmonton, but that trade does not make the team better. Edmonton needs Larsson on an expiring contract more than they need Kapanen with some term.
21 juill. 2020 à 20 h 17
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Typically, players are in their prime between 25 and 30. Both Mc and Draisaitl are under 25. They aren’t looking to have their best year next year.


I bet if you look for the best statistical season of any superstar player, it will be before they are 25 years of age.
Gretzky 20
Crosby 20
Lemieux 24
Yzerman 24

There are exceptions to this of course but I’d say this is the more common theme
22 juill. 2020 à 19 h 23
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No. I think Kapanen would be a nice add for Edmonton, but that trade does not make the team better. Edmonton needs Larsson on an expiring contract more than they need Kapanen with some term.


Ok, that’s fine because I’d rather have Kapanen.
22 juill. 2020 à 19 h 24
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I bet if you look for the best statistical season of any superstar player, it will be before they are 25 years of age.
Gretzky 20
Crosby 20
Lemieux 24
Yzerman 24

There are exceptions to this of course but I’d say this is the more common theme


Ok, I should rephrase that. Around 25, not slightly over 25.
 
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