I've long thought that Weegar would be a fantastic target for the Leafs, but if this is the price, I'll pass. As much as I like the guy, no one player is going to come in and solve everything. I'd rather just keep the assets and maybe go after a UFA.

The main reason I was interested in him (aside from his performance in terms of shot/chance prevention over the last couple of years against varying levels of competition), is that I think he could potentially be undervalued in terms of trade and contract. Florida already has a good chunk of money committed to 4 Dmen, two of whom have some form of trade protection and the other two are Ekblad (who I don't think they want to move) and Matheson (who might be tough to move). Given that they want to cut salary, they may find themselves inclined to move Weegar. Tallon is also not known for his love of analytics which is where Weegar really shines; it's possible that he's undervalued by the GM.

This would also likely result in the Leafs losing Holl to the ED, which makes this move much more lateral a year from now or they pay to keep Holl and this basically becomes even more of an overpay.

Dermott's gonna be a lot cheaper than what he's worth too

You obviously don’t get so I’ll break it down. I’m saying it would have to be at least Kapanen, Dermott or Liljegren and possible a pick.

You sure you don't want Matthews too?

Yeah... no thanks. Wishful thinking.

The most the Leafs would give is Kapanen and a 2nd.

That’s fine and I don’t blame them. Cats will just keep Weegar

That's what I was saying the whole time. If that's the cost it would make a lot more sense for the Leafs to sign DeMelo.

Things to know about Weegar:
1. Was a healthy scratch at least 7 times in 2019/20
2. Played over 70% of his shifts this year with Ekblad
3. Played about 50% of his shifts this year with Barkov and Huberdeau
4. Has a concussion history

Avoid!! He is not that good.

If that's what Weeger costs, pass.

I can't give an honest opinion on Weegar at all because all I have seen is his stats. I would have to closely watch him play for a couple games (including at least a game where he is not paired with Ekblad) and try to evaluate how good he is and if I think that he would match well with Rielly, or the Leafs, and I don't think I have the time for that any time soon.

If anything, he made Ekblad better.

His stats weren't inflated by a whole lot by playing with Barkov and Huberdeau.

So a 14 min/game player prior to this season makes Ekblad a better player?? This would go down as the worst trade and signing in Leafs history. I wouldn't trade Dermott for him.

Engvall will not save you any money. Not a bad contract for what he brings to the team.

Yes I can definitely understand if Florida sees Weegar as untouchable. He’s a legit top 4 defender on a great contract. Personally, I’d be willing to meet the price of Kapanen, Dermott + 1st to get him, but I don’t think Toronto will in real life. They’ll probably give Dermott a chance as a top 4 RD.

Yeah hopefully Weegar will cost less than what I gave up. Panthers fans believe he is worth Kapanen, Dermott & 1st, which is a lot, but I do believe he’d upgrade the defence for sure.

Yes I think DeMelo is the most sensible option for the Leafs other than Dermott, I just wanted to explore the Weegar possibility.

Yeah, that's absurd. He's had one very good year playing against a high QOC in which he also had a very high QOT. He'd be an upgrade, but that's a ridiculous ask.

Weegar's a 2nd pairing guy but I wouldn't pay more than a 2nd pairing price.

No thanks to that.

Muzzin didn't even cost this much. Weegar isn't muzzin

Agree as @leafs101 stated, Muzzin cost less than this & he’s a lot better.

I do not think this team you've put together is anything more of a "contender" then our current iteration of this team that will be shortly competing in the RTP. In a lot of ways similar to Matt Roy, Mackenzie Weegar provides Leaf fans with the "flashy numbers" they are looking for as far as a low-cost right-handed defender that can play decent minutes, hits and blocks. I honestly don't think he's an option, solely because of Florida? Like why would they want to let a good young defender go, especially to a division rival, and especially when they are going to have to make some big decisions over the next few years with contracts expiring. So why would Florida agree to part with a young piece unless it's an overpay, something I think the Leafs should avoid doing as best they can. To me, your deal is a clear overpay to a defender solely based on potential and handedness. I really don't think the Leafs can afford to part with their 2021 1st for anything less that a true top-4, and I would consider Weegar as a top-4 yet. This is besides the fact that I would guess any deal between these clubs for Weegar would start with Liljegren going the other way. Would the Leafs do that? Doubtful. In my mind, this deal would more than get you Ryan Graves or Philippe Myers, both of whom, to varrying degrees, offers may more potential and benefits than does Weegar. In my opinion, I think the Leafs have a much better chance of landing a player like Erik Cernak, a right-handed gritty defender from a divisional rival, than Mackenzie Weegar. As for the rest of this AGM, I really do not trust that backend, and Spezza as a 3C? I don't really love it.

the trade everyone agreed was good was (weegar + wallmark) for (Kerfoot + Dermott) that would be the trade i accept.

I’m sure I commented on this already.... but holy ****ing overpay. Leafs nation drives me crazy sometimes. Although based on this users track record I’m pretty sure it’s a troll account.

yeah a 1st for weegar is a stretch. With the above proposed trade it works as Wallmark would make a solid 3c for the leafs and cost 1.5mill less. Plus he is better defensively and can play on our Pk which is something the leafs needed as Gauthier was really the only defensive pk center we had. On the other hand, Weegar is a bit of a wildcard. While seeing Dermott go sucks, If weegar can continue to do those defensive numbers with Rielly the risk is worth. Now sure he would come more expensive to resign (3-3.5mill) but at the same time he could help fill in the right D for a long time.

Yup, that seems like a more rational deal.