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Créé par: Gordon_Bombay
Équipe: 2020-21 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 18 juill. 2020
Publié: 18 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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The only forwards that are there long term are: Mantha, Zadina, Larkin, Bertuzzi.
Other than those everybody expect Abdelkader will be gone within 2 years

But I don't think the young players are ready to really contribute to a winning roster next season.

Next season, they would have 2 first round picks, a very high second and two other seconds, those could then be used for trading for players who other teams cannot protect in the expansion draft (Detroit should not struggle with that)
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    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 15
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    Alzner costs more to dump
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    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 19
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    Habs have no need to be trading Alzner...they have tons of cap space even with him in the minors. They can sign everyone they need to sign and still have 6-8M in space. Trading Alzner is stupid. Might as well wait until next year when there is only 1 year left on the deal and the sweetener doesn’t have to be as much
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    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 19
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    Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
    Alzner costs more to dump


    possible. But do you think in general the trading would make sense for Detroit in terms of what I was doing? I think it would be another year of being bad, but after that, I think it would give Detroit a lot of options, especially with the expansion draft coming.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 20
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    possible. But do you think in general the trading would make sense for Detroit in terms of what I was doing? I think it would be another year of being bad, but after that, I think it would give Detroit a lot of options, especially with the expansion draft coming.


    If I was DET I would take on some short-term cap dumps for young pieces and picks but also make some moves with players who can still play and re-establish their value to flip like Steen, Stepan, Stastny, etc.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 22
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    Quoting: Lochness1202
    Habs have no need to be trading Alzner...they have tons of cap space even with him in the minors. They can sign everyone they need to sign and still have 6-8M in space. Trading Alzner is stupid. Might as well wait until next year when there is only 1 year left on the deal and the sweetener doesn’t have to be as much


    Do you think the Habs are fine with not making the playoffs? I think with the team they have, they are going to finish 6th or 7th in their division.
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    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 25
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    Do you think the Habs are fine with not making the playoffs? I think with the team they have, they are going to finish 6th or 7th in their division.

    So please explain to me what an extra 5M in space is going to do? Who will they sign/trade for with only an extra 5M than will make them go from 6th to contender...
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 26
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    Like the Greiss signing, but I think we could get more for taking on cap in each of the deals. Vancouver for example the 1st is just the cost of taking on Eriksson, they would need to add to include Baertschi too.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 26
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    If I was DET I would take on some short-term cap dumps for young pieces and picks but also make some moves with players who can still play and re-establish their value to flip like Steen, Stepan, Stastny, etc.


    Fair enough. I think I made some of those, but not only. But I think no matter what they do, they will be one of, or probably the worst team in the league again.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 28
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    Why is Vegas giving up a 2nd and moving Stastny for a 36yo that was -42?
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 28
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    So please explain to me what an extra 5M in space is going to do? Who will they sign/trade for with only an extra 5M than will make them go from 6th to contender...


    Not a contender. They will probably not be one in the next 3-5 years. But at least being in the hunt for the Wildcard spot. I think Buffalo will be a better team than the Habs next year and proably also Ottawa.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 30
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    Why is Vegas giving up a 2nd and moving Stastny for a 36yo that was -42?


    because they have no cap space at all. They have like 5m cap space to sign 6 players.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 34
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    Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
    because they have no cap space at all. They have like 5m cap space to sign 6 players.


    The only ones they have to get signed are Stephenson, Cousins and a backup.
    And they'll go with 21 or 22 skaters again.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 37
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    Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
    Not a contender. They will probably not be one in the next 3-5 years. But at least being in the hunt for the Wildcard spot. I think Buffalo will be a better team than the Habs next year and proably also Ottawa.


    The Habs need to spend some of their cap space on better depth players so they can sustain injuries, as they're presently built they can't which was obvious this season but some Habs fans don't seem to care about making the playoffs, they seem to think they're going to go from non playoff team to contender in one season when all their prospects magically mature into stud players in one off season.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 39
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    Do you think the Habs are fine with not making the playoffs? I think with the team they have, they are going to finish 6th or 7th in their division.


    6th or 7th in the division.........which of Buffalo, Ottawa or Detroit is making this sudden jump? Pretty sure both Ottawa and Detroit are signed up for lottery picks already next year and Buffalo needs to get thier executives sorted out before you see them make a push for the playoffs. Where as the Habs literally just need to stay healthy and have a better pp and they become better then Florida, who also by the way is trying to cut 10 million from thier cap and set themselves up with an internal budget.

    Odds are the Habs are the team to move up in the divison next year.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 39
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    So please explain to me what an extra 5M in space is going to do? Who will they sign/trade for with only an extra 5M than will make them go from 6th to contender...


    Also I think Bergevin would actually like to keep his GM job. But he took over in 2012 and their best seasons were right after (so basically not with a team he drafted and built), after that, It more or less went south.

    Made it to the playoffs once in 5 years, where they lost in the first round in 6. What he is doing now for some years is being stuck in the middle. Not bad enough to be terribe and rebuild, but also not good enough to make it to the playoffs.
    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 49
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    18 juill. 2020 à 10 h 52
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    6th or 7th in the division.........which of Buffalo, Ottawa or Detroit is making this sudden jump? Pretty sure both Ottawa and Detroit are signed up for lottery picks already next year and Buffalo needs to get thier executives sorted out before you see them make a push for the playoffs. Where as the Habs literally just need to stay healthy and have a better pp and they become better then Florida, who also by the way is trying to cut 10 million from thier cap and set themselves up with an internal budget.

    Odds are the Habs are the team to move up in the divison next year.


    I don't think so. Buffalo and Montreal were on the same level this year. The Habs had 3 points more in 2 more games. And the Habs did not have more injuries than other teams

    Ottawa is actually a team that is rising. They have a lot of talented players and are growing

    Teams with more Man-games lost this season than Montreal: CBJ, WPG, PIT, DET, OTT, CHI, BUF, VAN, BOS, TOR, COL, STL, COL, EDM, SJS, NYI
    18 juill. 2020 à 11 h 28
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    Okay, so what do the Blues get in this Allen trade?
    18 juill. 2020 à 12 h 3
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    I don't think so. Buffalo and Montreal were on the same level this year. The Habs had 3 points more in 2 more games. And the Habs did not have more injuries than other teams

    Ottawa is actually a team that is rising. They have a lot of talented players and are growing

    Teams with more Man-games lost this season than Montreal: CBJ, WPG, PIT, DET, OTT, CHI, BUF, VAN, BOS, TOR, COL, STL, COL, EDM, SJS, NYI


    Injuries is just in general, they dont have a ton of depth, to be the same or better they need to stay healthy.

    You look at MTLs advanced stats and it points out that they generate good shot rates, good high danger scoring chances but thier finishing is lacking because of no true ppg or "star" player in the line up and the powerplay being in the bottom of the league most of the season.

    You look at the Atlantic in general and the Habs have to do the least amount of work to either stay the same or improve. Ottawa is good but still not gonna be there for a couple years, which is they way they likely want it. Detroit is the obvious bottom feeder. That leaves Buffalo and Florida, both of which have thier own turmoil. Buffalo fired 22 people this off season and need to rely on a new GM to steer them into a good off season for them to make a jump over the Habs or risk upsetting thier star again. Florida has stated they want to cut salary by 10 million, pretty hard to do that and stay competitive, signs point to them going through rough times ahead.

    So like I said, Habs have to do the least to stay the same or move up compared to the other 4 division teams.
    18 juill. 2020 à 13 h 7
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    That Vegas Trade. Bruh
    18 juill. 2020 à 13 h 18
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    Injuries is just in general, they dont have a ton of depth, to be the same or better they need to stay healthy.

    You look at MTLs advanced stats and it points out that they generate good shot rates, good high danger scoring chances but thier finishing is lacking because of no true ppg or "star" player in the line up and the powerplay being in the bottom of the league most of the season.

    You look at the Atlantic in general and the Habs have to do the least amount of work to either stay the same or improve. Ottawa is good but still not gonna be there for a couple years, which is they way they likely want it. Detroit is the obvious bottom feeder. That leaves Buffalo and Florida, both of which have thier own turmoil. Buffalo fired 22 people this off season and need to rely on a new GM to steer them into a good off season for them to make a jump over the Habs or risk upsetting thier star again. Florida has stated they want to cut salary by 10 million, pretty hard to do that and stay competitive, signs point to them going through rough times ahead.

    So like I said, Habs have to do the least to stay the same or move up compared to the other 4 division teams.


    I am not sure. I think Ottawa has more talent, but their corps is extremely young. But I think Ottawa is actually playing the game the right way.

    Buffalo has their issues, but just based on talent and how their roster is built, they should be a better team than Montreal in the near future.

    I think what Montreal has going for them is that their coach is doing quite a good job with what is given to him.

    And Florida might have to make some changes, but the Corps of players is still kind of good.

    I don't see Montreal as better than any of the other teams other than Detroit. I think this season, Detroit was closer to win the Calder Cup than finishing second last in the league.
    18 juill. 2020 à 15 h 9
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    Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
    Alzner costs more to dump


    I agree Detroit would need more to take Alzner. I can't see Detroit taking on $8.3M for two years for a 1st in a draft that's a year away.
    18 juill. 2020 à 16 h 14
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    Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
    Also I think Bergevin would actually like to keep his GM job. But he took over in 2012 and their best seasons were right after (so basically not with a team he drafted and built), after that, It more or less went south.

    Made it to the playoffs once in 5 years, where they lost in the first round in 6. What he is doing now for some years is being stuck in the middle. Not bad enough to be terribe and rebuild, but also not good enough to make it to the playoffs.


    Yea I understand the need to make the playoffs. But you’re not making sense. You’re just saying clear space (and paying a premium to do so) but you have no plan for what to do with it.

    Once everyone is signed habs should have around 9M in cap space WITH Alzner. So explain to me what you can do with 15M that you can’t do with 9M. You’re gonna to sign hall and peitrangelo?!?! I don’t see what you want to do with 15M in space...
     
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