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Trading Eriksson

Créé par: nuxfan
Équipe: 2019-20 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 17 juill. 2020
Publié: 17 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Eriksson for Kesler (LTIR)
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Eriksson for Schneider (buyout)
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Eriksson, Loui
36 000 000 $
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17 juill. 2020 à 17 h 37
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Why would either of those teams take Eriksson for Free? Kesler can just sit on LTIR in Anaheim, and New Jersey has more than enough cap space.
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i think it really depends on LE... he is and was never a good fit for the Canucks, for what ever reason it just never worked out, not he looks like a bottom 6/AHL level player. but don't forget he had 3 consecutive 70 point seasons as well as 2 more over 60 points. i really wonder if all that is just gone? or if he just needs a change of scenery, which would make a trade just the thing he needs. but who's gonna gamble 6 mil for 2 years on a hope and a prayer.
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17 juill. 2020 à 18 h 58
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Why would either of those teams take Eriksson for Free? Kesler can just sit on LTIR in Anaheim, and New Jersey has more than enough cap space.


Eriksson is owed $5M for the remainder of his contract (excluding his signing bonus from this year which would be paid prior to any trade).

Anaheim takes this deal if their insurer pays less than 62.5% of Kesler's salary while he is on LTIR because the swap would provide savings in real dollars. Essentially, Anaheim saves money while adding a serviceable forward with a decent defensive game.

New Jersey takes this deal as Schneider is owed $7M more than Eriksson for the remainder of his contract. Additionally, Eriksson is still a serviceable forward with a decent defensive game whereas Schneider has managed to clear waivers in the past and evidently struggles at the NHL level.
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Quoting: canucks_Fan_53
i think it really depends on LE... he is and was never a good fit for the Canucks, for what ever reason it just never worked out, not he looks like a bottom 6/AHL level player. but don't forget he had 3 consecutive 70 point seasons as well as 2 more over 60 points. i really wonder if all that is just gone? or if he just needs a change of scenery, which would make a trade just the thing he needs. but who's gonna gamble 6 mil for 2 years on a hope and a prayer.


I wonder if playing in a Canadian market had an adverse impact on his play so perhaps a change of scenery could be the spark he needs to get going again. Given it is unlikely that a team takes the gamble on Eriksson, perhaps the savings in real dollars for either Anaheim or New Jersey justifies the swap.
17 juill. 2020 à 19 h 3
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Eriksson is owed $5M for the remainder of his contract (excluding his signing bonus from this year which would be paid prior to any trade).

Anaheim takes this deal if their insurer pays less than 62.5% of Kesler's salary while he is on LTIR because the swap would provide savings in real dollars. Essentially, Anaheim saves money while adding a serviceable forward with a decent defensive game.

New Jersey takes this deal as Schneider is owed $7M more than Eriksson for the remainder of his contract. Additionally, Eriksson is still a serviceable forward with a decent defensive game whereas Schneider has managed to clear waivers in the past and evidently struggles at the NHL level.


I don't think even Eugene Melnyk is tight fisted enough to help out another team to save money as an owner. You've gotta give a major asset up to get rid of Eriksson dude.
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I don't think even Eugene Melnyk is tight fisted enough to help out another team to save money as an owner. You've gotta give a major asset up to get rid of Eriksson dude.


Anaheim gets a player who costs less and still plays (plus could improve with a change of scenery) while Vancouver adds salary to their books for a player who does not play.

New Jersey gets a player who costs way less and is a much better asset than what they are giving up while Vancouver adds salary to their books for a player that struggles at the NHL level.
17 juill. 2020 à 19 h 13
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Anaheim gets a player who costs less and still plays (plus could improve with a change of scenery) while Vancouver adds salary to their books for a player who does not play.

New Jersey gets a player who costs way less and is a much better asset than what they are giving up while Vancouver adds salary to their books for a player that struggles at the NHL level.


Ok, and what are you going to add to the New Jersey and Anaheim deals to make the value even vaguely reasonable? I'd look at a 1st, but depending on the GM you may well need to add. The 30 other GMs know how screwed the Canucks are if you don't dump cap.
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Modifié 17 juill. 2020 à 19 h 31. Raison: wanted to add a P.S.
Quoting: nuxfan
Eriksson is owed $5M for the remainder of his contract (excluding his signing bonus from this year which would be paid prior to any trade).

Anaheim takes this deal if their insurer pays less than 62.5% of Kesler's salary while he is on LTIR because the swap would provide savings in real dollars. Essentially, Anaheim saves money while adding a serviceable forward with a decent defensive game.

New Jersey takes this deal as Schneider is owed $7M more than Eriksson for the remainder of his contract. Additionally, Eriksson is still a serviceable forward with a decent defensive game whereas Schneider has managed to clear waivers in the past and evidently struggles at the NHL level.


The fallacy in your thinking is the idea that Eriksson is "a serviceable forward" for Anaheim. The Ducks have young forwards that they are integrating into the future core that are all more valuable than Eriksson and deserve more ice time: Heinen, Milano, Jones, Comtois and even Des Lauriers are the LWs on the squad now who merit playing time, and that's not counting Rakell and someone being promoted this year (like Braden Tracey). Moreover, your financial premise is wrong: Anaheim's insurer pays 80% of Kesler's compensation, so the Ducks won't show a monetary profit on this exchange until Eriksson's cost comes down below $1,335,000 per year (or $2,670,000 in the aggregate).

@Seider53 has it right: you'd have to give up quite a bit to get anyone to take Eriksson, and you'd probably have to retain about $1.5 or $2 million while doing it. Look at the David Backes trade. By that standard, Eriksson with $2 million retained plus *Jett Woo for someone like Max Jones is about the right price.

Late edit: as @Seider53 points out, I left out the first-round draft pick to make this comparable to the Backes exchange
17 juill. 2020 à 19 h 20
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The fallacy in your thinking is the idea that Eriksson is "a serviceable forward" for Anaheim. The Ducks have young forwards that they are integrating into the future core that are all more valuable than Eriksson and deserve more ice time: Heinen, Milano, Jones, Comtois and even Des Lauriers are the LWs on the squad now who merit playing time, and that's not counting Rakell and someone being promoted this year (like Braden Tracey). Moreover, your financial premise is wrong: Anaheim's insurer pays 80% of Kesler's compensation, so the Ducks won't show a monetary profit on this exchange until Eriksson's cost comes down below $1,335,000 per year (or $2,670,000 in the aggregate).

@Seider53 has it right: you'd have to give up quite a bit to get anyone to take Eriksson, and you'd probably have to retain about $1.5 or $2 million while doing it. Look at the David Backes trade. By that standard, Eriksson with $2 million retained plus Jett Woo for someone like Max Jones is about the right price.


I honestly think you might be selling Anaheim a bit short there. Remember Marleau required a 1st round pick to be dumped on Carolina last year, and when that trade was made we predicted an increasing cap. I cannot imagine this costing less. A team like Detroit would probably take Eriksson without retention, but you're going to be paying a premium to get him off the books.
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I honestly think you might be selling Anaheim a bit short there. Remember Marleau required a 1st round pick to be dumped on Carolina last year, and when that trade was made we predicted an increasing cap. I cannot imagine this costing less. A team like Detroit would probably take Eriksson without retention, but you're going to be paying a premium to get him off the books.


I carelessly forgot the first-round draft pick.
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Ok, and what are you going to add to the New Jersey and Anaheim deals to make the value even vaguely reasonable? I'd look at a 1st, but depending on the GM you may well need to add. The 30 other GMs know how screwed the Canucks are if you don't dump cap.


The Schneider for Eriksson trade seems relatively reasonable given they both have little to no trade value; perhaps a swap of late picks would seal the deal. Also, Schneider is owed more $$$ than Eriksson so something like Schneider + 3rd rounder for Eriksson + 4th rounder? I understand that some GMs will be looking for a considerable return for taking on cap given Vancouver's situation and the flat cap; however, the Leafs gave up a 1st rounder to dump Marleau while the Canucks gave up a 1st rounder to take JT Miller off Tampa's hands. Not trying to compare Miller to Eriksson, rather the idea that dumping cap will require a package that works for both teams. Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see how the Canucks manage their cap going forward.
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The fallacy in your thinking is the idea that Eriksson is "a serviceable forward" for Anaheim. The Ducks have young forwards that they are integrating into the future core that are all more valuable than Eriksson and deserve more ice time: Heinen, Milano, Jones, Comtois and even Des Lauriers are the LWs on the squad now who merit playing time, and that's not counting Rakell and someone being promoted this year (like Braden Tracey). Moreover, your financial premise is wrong: Anaheim's insurer pays 80% of Kesler's compensation, so the Ducks won't show a monetary profit on this exchange until Eriksson's cost comes down below $1,335,000 per year (or $2,670,000 in the aggregate).

@Seider53 has it right: you'd have to give up quite a bit to get anyone to take Eriksson, and you'd probably have to retain about $1.5 or $2 million while doing it. Look at the David Backes trade. By that standard, Eriksson with $2 million retained plus *Jett Woo for someone like Max Jones is about the right price.

Late edit: as @Seider53 points out, I left out the first-round draft pick to make this comparable to the Backes exchange


I understand Anaheim has players who need more ice time, so Eriksson would end up being a healthy scratch who could step in for an injured player or perhaps sent to the minors and called up if need be. My financial premise was based on Anaheim's insurer "pay[ing] less than 62.5% of Kesler's salary"; I too had understood an insurer covers 80% of an LTIR player's salary until I stumbled upon this article https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/how-the-nhls-salary-cap-has-created-a-secondary-market-of-injured-players-and-costlycontracts/article36220762/ which states "Insurance sometimes covers up to 80 per cent of the salary of a player on long-term injury reserve."; however, in the event that Anaheim's insurer covers 80% of Kesler's compensation, you would be correct in stating Anaheim would not show a monetary profit in this deal.
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