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What'd you guys think of this team? Should they contend?

They're already contending, Roy is so not worth that package even though LA fans decline

Roy does not have that kind of value.

Come on dude Der-arguchintsev isn’t a high prize. He wasn’t dominant at all in the Junior at 19, he is far from 1-2 year Nhl ready.

No way Jose! If I’m trading a first, it’s definitely not for Matt Roy! I’ll be trading a first for a Quality top four dman like Pesce.

I’d trade about Dermott and a fourth for Roy.

MacDermid is not a RD. He played 5-10 games on the right side while they tried out Walker on Doughty's left, but that didn't go well, so they moved him back to the left side. Not sure why this site lists him as a RD.

However, if Toronto is willing to give up a 1st, then the Kings say yes and sign the papers before Dubas has a chance to realize what he has done.

To be fair, kings aren’t “loaded with RD”. They literally have 3 guys and a half a guy in macdermid who isn’t really a RD. Love the 1st though and it would take an overpay for the kings to move him (not saying he’s a top 4 guy on contender) because of the need for him right now. But something like this would be what it would take

I mean aside from the trade itself, who do you protect for the Seattle expansion draft?

Creates a problem the Leafs do not need.

I still think a fair trade is Dermott+ though kings fans don’t like it

Technically, SDA + 2nd would be fair, but since Roy is on an ELC, I increased his value.

It’s gonna cost more than a 1st to get Pesce.

I understand that. I’m just saying I’d package it to get a defenceman ljke him.

Well, I think the Leafs should protect Tavares, Matthews, Nylander, Kapanen & Mikheyev up front. On D, probably Muzzin, Rielly & one of Dermott / Roy depending on who plays better.

I hear that Carolina fans want Nylander for Pesce. We know Nylander is one of the best players in the league but perhaps doing that trade would answer all questions on the blueline.

No interest in that trade. Too much for Roy to begin with, and we'd get double whammied with the ED - either losing somebody pretty important or being forced to make a deal with Seattle to make sure that doesn't happen.

Dermott is a good puck mover, skater & is very good defensively. Plus he can play the right side. I don’t think he’s gotten played a big enough role to entertain other teams on the trade market. But if he becomes that top 4 RD, then Leafs wouldn’t trade him.

That’s true you could lose one of Dermott/Roy/Holl even though they’re all pretty good.

Hate to break it to you but a first rounder won't get you Pesce. That said I wouldn't do this

I don’t think a first would. I’m just saying I’d package it for a quality dman.

they will protect Marner. Come on now he doesn't have 0 value

Exactly. If Roy doesn't perform as you hope, you kind of have no choice but to leave him exposed given that they are thin on RD to begin with and trying to win now. Then you find that you've just traded a 1st and prospect for one underwhelming year of Roy...

And if he outperforms Holl, but only marginally, you protect him and lose Holl making this a pretty lateral move after one year.

But you lose a D for nothing in that scenario. Not sure that's smart asset management.

The forwards are contender level. The goalies might be. The D needs another legit top-3 D.

I am not sold on Roy at this point. 25 years old, great advanced stats, low level QoC. Maybe he is the real deal. Maybe not.

The larger problem I have with the whole enterprise - and I don't mean this idea, but the problem with the team in general - is what actually is the long-term vision for this D? They seem to have been just patching holes (one year of Barrie, one year of Ceci, sign Lehtonen etc). Where does this team see their D in 2 or 3 years? What is their vision. They sold Tavares on a vision for the team which included keeping MMN. But where is the D going? What are they going to do with Dermott? Another season of wasting away on the 3rd pairing? Then what about the year after that? What are they going to do with Sandin? How do they get him into the lineup? If not next year, then how do they do it the year after that? ELCs are really only a financial benefit to the team if they can play up the lineup. You can get vets to play on the third pairing for cheaper. But an ELC in the top-4 is great value. The Leafs have two very good LHDs. They have at least two very good young LHDs in Dermott and Sandin who they seem to have no interest in playing on the right. When I ask people about this they say things like "well maybe the Leafs' won't re-sign Rielly in 2 years" or "maybe in in 2 or 3 years Muzzin is only a third pairing D." Neither seems like a viable option to me. 2 or 3 years down the line is a complete waste. If they are not going to move either to the right, or give them a path to move up to the top-4 on the left side (by moving either Rielly or Muzzin to the left) then they might as well trade at least one of them and get a strong return to help fix other holes.

Again with the mention :P haha! So issues with both deals. In my books, a young top-6 winger that's scored 20 goals in his first full NHL season (last year) is worth at least a 2nd round draft pick and a pretty good prospect, at minimum. Just because the Leafs are cap-strapped, like many others are, or will be soon, it doesn't mean the Leafs should, or would sell low on such a player, any player for that matter, but especially when you are looking at more of a cap-efficient futures package in return. Second, my issue with Matt Roy. It's not so much an issue, as a risk. He's a good young defender, no doubt, he plays the right side and comes with a super cheap 1-year left on his ELC deal. He also has good hit and shot block numbers, which equates, for a lot of Leafs fans as, young, controllable, tough, plays right side, check-check-check, which equals an automatic good fit. Now, I am not saying he's not a good fit. Ideally, the Leafs would pair him with Sandin and let them develop together against oppositions less elite players, but the cost you have woah, that's my issue. To me, a 1st would be out of the question, which might mean the deal needs to be bigger. For the right price, I would definitely take a swing at Matt Roy, but I am not sure I see a scenario where the Leafs wouldn't have to overpay. LA is rebuilding, so why in the world would they want to part with a good, young and controllable piece? If LA was prepared to do a hockey swap like Dermott for Roy, I think the Leafs would strongly consider, especially because Dermott is occupying Sandin's lineup spot.

Overall, I think more drastic lineup changes will be needed, both in terms of where there cap situation stands and in terms of how well (or lack their of) they do these playoffs. I would add that when you are trying to make these deals and setup a roster that hopefully takes things to a new level, you look to other teams that are not rebuilding, because I think non-rebuilding/retool clubs would be more likely and willing to make hockey deals.

Way too much for one year of a cheap contract on a borderline top 4D man. That would be like giving a 1st for one year of Holl at a 700k caphit.