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Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 13 juill. 2020
Publié: 13 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
55 000 000 $
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COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (COL)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (SJS)
SJS
  1. Jost, Tyson [Droits de RFA]
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COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (VGK)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [Droits de RFA]
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
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13 juill. 2020 à 20 h 49
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SJ should reject IMO there's just too much risk in Jost
13 juill. 2020 à 20 h 51
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I've brought up my objections to the Kings giving up a 2nd+ for Zadorov multiple times. I renew those objections here.
13 juill. 2020 à 21 h 6
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good trade, San Jose accepts!
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13 juill. 2020 à 21 h 7
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
SJ should reject IMO there's just too much risk in Jost


why? He'd be signed to a pretty affordable contract and he's been pretty consistent over the last 3 seasons.
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13 juill. 2020 à 21 h 8
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
SJ should reject IMO there's just too much risk in Jost


Risk in what? His floor is clearly established, a 3rd line player who is good defensively, Forechecks, good zone entries and supports his lines offense.

You know at a minimum what he is, but there is still potential to be more
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13 juill. 2020 à 22 h 25
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Id pay the third but no more. I like Jost but I dont see any way hes anything more than a 3C ever
13 juill. 2020 à 22 h 49
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I like that Jost trade, but maybe there should be some conditions added? I wouldn't mind just doing that straight up, but it would be great to ensure we wouldn't completely lose out if his ceiling ends up being around how he's playing now.
13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 6
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Id pay the third but no more. I like Jost but I dont see any way hes anything more than a 3C ever


Then avs won’t trade him only for a 3rd he holds More value than that
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13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 18
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Then avs won’t trade him only for a 3rd he holds More value than that


Well thats ok, hes not worth spending significant draft capital on
13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 18
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Quoting: papishark
Id pay the third but no more. I like Jost but I dont see any way hes anything more than a 3C ever


Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
I like that Jost trade, but maybe there should be some conditions added? I wouldn't mind just doing that straight up, but it would be great to ensure we wouldn't completely lose out if his ceiling ends up being around how he's playing now.


A good 3C is worth 2 2nd rd picks, you’re giving up 2 picks in the 55-65 ranges who’ll probably never play in the NHL. If you think you can get a guy with solid potential to be a 2C it will cost more than 2 2nd rd picks
13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 20
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A good 3C is worth 2 2nd rd picks, you’re giving up 2 picks in the 55-65 ranges who’ll probably never play in the NHL. If you think you can get a guy with solid potential to be a 2C it will cost more than 2 2nd rd picks


But he isnt a good 3c, he sucks quite a bit right now
13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 20
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But he isnt a good 3c, he sucks quite a bit right now


Why does he sucks ?
13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 26
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But he isnt a good 3c, he sucks quite a bit right now


are you looking at his faceoffs? Bc he didnt play much C last year at all, he played Wing with Compher at C

And he does not suck (if you mean his face off % that is a very skewed number based on the lack of draws). There are a lot of solid parts to his game that makes him a very reliable and trust worthy 3rd line player
13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 26
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Quoting: papishark
Id pay the third but no more. I like Jost but I dont see any way hes anything more than a 3C ever


Isn't a 2nd + 3rd a reasonable price to pay for a 22 year old cost-controlled and defensively responsible 3C?
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13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: Richard88
Isn't a 2nd + 3rd a reasonable price to pay for a 22 year old cost-controlled and defensively responsible 3C?


Maybe for someone, but Jost isnt really a good center at this point in his career. His faceoffs are brutal brutal, and 28 point pace on one of the best teams in the league is not impressive, also hes up for a new contract this summer and it wont be under 2 mil so not cost controlled
13 juill. 2020 à 23 h 46
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Maybe for someone, but Jost isnt really a good center at this point in his career. His faceoffs are brutal brutal, and 28 point pace on one of the best teams in the league is not impressive, also hes up for a new contract this summer and it wont be under 2 mil so not cost controlled


2 years at 2M is good, anyway Simek is probably worth 2 1st rd pick for you
14 juill. 2020 à 0 h 0
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2 years at 2M is good, anyway Simek is probably worth 2 1st rd pick for you


Uh no, hes probably worth like a third, im not unreasonable, I just like to do moves that make sense for the sharks.
14 juill. 2020 à 0 h 41
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Uh no, hes probably worth like a third, im not unreasonable, I just like to do moves that make sense for the sharks.


Because Jost for a late 2nd and early 3rd is sooooo bad for the Sharks
14 juill. 2020 à 0 h 49
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Because Jost for a late 2nd and early 3rd is sooooo bad for the Sharks


No it just doesnt make sense, if you trade for Jost your banking on his upside and its a very risky move. The sharks are a team who if they are gonna win need to do it now, paying the same price for a for sure 50 points is a better move than risking it right now. I dont hate Jost, but the price is too high for the player. I feel the same about Poolparty or Lias Andersson
14 juill. 2020 à 0 h 50
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No it just doesnt make sense, if you trade for Jost your banking on his upside and its a very risky move. The sharks are a team who if they are gonna win need to do it now, paying the same price for a for sure 50 points is a better move than risking it right now. I dont hate Jost, but the price is too high for the player. I feel the same about Poolparty or Lias Andersson


50 points player is 1st rd pick ++ lol now you’re buying low on Jost with that offer
14 juill. 2020 à 5 h 54
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Quoting: GMs
2 years at 2M is good, anyway Simek is probably worth 2 1st rd pick for you


Quoting: papishark
Maybe for someone, but Jost isnt really a good center at this point in his career. His faceoffs are brutal brutal, and 28 point pace on one of the best teams in the league is not impressive, also hes up for a new contract this summer and it wont be under 2 mil so not cost controlled


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Uh no, hes probably worth like a third, im not unreasonable, I just like to do moves that make sense for the sharks.


Jost's comparables are Sam Bennett ($1.95m x 2 years, then $2.55m x 2 years) and Lawson Crouse ($1.53 x 3 years). Salary estimating tools put his next contract at $2.1m x 2-3 years. It wouldn't surprise me to see Jost resign at closer to $1.5m than $2m due to the flat cap and his likely desire to want to stay in Colorado. Whatever the case, even if Jost doesn't develop beyond being a 3rd liner his contract will still be really good value given that most solid 3rd liners these days cost $3m+.

For what it's worth I also think you're confusing "cost-controlled" and "cheap". You can argue that $2m for Jost isn't "cheap", but it's a fact that he's "cost-controlled" by virtue of being an RFA for another 4 years. Colorado have all the leverage in his situation.

As for the faceoffs, yes he's pretty bad at them, but judging a players ability solely on his ability to take faceoffs is really small-sighted given how small a factor faceoffs actually are overall.
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14 juill. 2020 à 11 h 7
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Quoting: Richard88
Jost's comparables are Sam Bennett ($1.95m x 2 years, then $2.55m x 2 years) and Lawson Crouse ($1.53 x 3 years). Salary estimating tools put his next contract at $2.1m x 2-3 years. It wouldn't surprise me to see Jost resign at closer to $1.5m than $2m due to the flat cap and his likely desire to want to stay in Colorado. Whatever the case, even if Jost doesn't develop beyond being a 3rd liner his contract will still be really good value given that most solid 3rd liners these days cost $3m+.

For what it's worth I also think you're confusing "cost-controlled" and "cheap". You can argue that $2m for Jost isn't "cheap", but it's a fact that he's "cost-controlled" by virtue of being an RFA for another 4 years. Colorado have all the leverage in his situation.

As for the faceoffs, yes he's pretty bad at them, but judging a players ability solely on his ability to take faceoffs is really small-sighted given how small a factor faceoffs actually are overall.


I only brought it up because people keep trying to sell him as a future center and thats just not how he plays
 
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