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I personally don’t think he does but some people think he will so I just wanted to see how it goes. And I know both sides of the argument so don’t fill the comments up with that please.

The expansion draft will be brutal for the jets. The jets will likely have to move one of copp or Roslovic, and move assets to protect berdin, niku, eakin, appleton, and harkins. My guess is, the jets move Roslovic for picks and use one of those picks to protect the rest.
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13 juill. 2020 à 19 h 36
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A Stastny reunion seems plausible with VGKs cap situation. He could be a solid stopgap at 2C for a year if you dont get someone like Cirelli
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13 juill. 2020 à 19 h 50
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13 juill. 2020 à 20 h 3
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if he retires and goes on LTIR expect the leafs to trade for him.
13 juill. 2020 à 20 h 6
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if he retires and goes on LTIR expect the leafs to trade for him.


If he retires he actually doesnt go on LTIR and there will be a recapture penalty since the last few years of his contract have a decreasing pay (by rules of the new CBA)
13 juill. 2020 à 20 h 7
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If he retires he actually doesnt go on LTIR and there will be a recapture penalty since the last few years of his contract ha e a decreasing pay (by rules of the new CBA)


he could do a soft retire like Zetterberg did.
13 juill. 2020 à 20 h 26
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he could do a soft retire like Zetterberg did.


Sure but why would Toronto want him? Using LTIR relief is a bad thing
13 juill. 2020 à 21 h 16
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
If he retires he actually doesnt go on LTIR and there will be a recapture penalty since the last few years of his contract have a decreasing pay (by rules of the new CBA)


Not necessarily. He would be retiring for health reasons and I’m pretty sure the recapture only applies to players who signed contracts that were like 10/15 years (kovalchuck, luongo, parise, sutter, Weber to name a few). Those contracts are penalized because both parties knew the likelihood of them making it to the end was low. There isn’t really one for current players. See Callahan, zetterberg etc

The jets could also just terminate it like they did with buff, if little was willing to do so
13 juill. 2020 à 21 h 19
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If he retires I'm pretty sure he doesn't get his money so that doesn't seem likely, he'll just go on LTIR.

Another thing that sucks about Little likely being finished is not only losing a good player but also Chevy likely signs Eakin to some ****ty contract, the timing of all the variables is making a bad Eakin extension very possible.

These are the variables imo in no particular order:
-Little can't return for next season unfortunately
-Theres no 2C's available in trade without an overpay and Chevy is too arrogant to take a risk and look like he overpaid/lost a trade
-If there is any 2C's available the Jets being first on 99% of 'No trade lists makes acquiring another center difficult
-The Jets pro scouts have failed to identify a center that could potentially be a 2nd line center, a guy who's flying under the radar so to speak on a struggling team maybe, I doubt the scouts have even been asked to do this though
-Eakin really doesn't want to play in Winnipeg but money talks and this is his last chance to get paid so he bites his tongue and signs for a dollar amount and term he really shouldn't get that will very likely cause cap problems sooner than later
-Theres almost no centers available in free agency and Winnipeg isn't a desirable destination for UFA's
-After trading for Stastny and Hayes he doesn't want to lose another center he gave assets for even though a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't all that valuable
-Chevy doesn't like criticism or to look like he can't fill this obvious need after missing on Stastny and Hayes so he hands Eakin a $4.25M×4 contract or something to that effect
-Chevy can see this dumb fanbase has been clamoring for a local boy to play for this team so he gives them what they want, Eakin is from Winnipeg
-Chevy is a very risk averse GM, signing Eakin is the easy move for him
-Theres zero center prospects in the system other then Gustafsson who looks like a 3C at best
-Maurice won't give Roslovic a chance at 2C
-Ehlers and Laine are so good to prop up Eakin's numbers giving Chevy the idea that Eakin can be a 2C for this team when really he's a 3C, a good playoff run will solidify this for Chevy
-Eakin fits the mold of the grindy hockey player Maurice likes
-Wheeler runs Maurice and has clearly told him he's done with playing center for extended lengths like he was doing this season

So you take all those variables/factors and mix them in the slow cooker and an overcooked bad tasting and bad smelling Eakin extension being served up to Jets fans in the offseason whenever that is seems very possible, I really hope I'm wrong.
13 juill. 2020 à 21 h 40
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If he retires I'm pretty sure he doesn't get his money so that doesn't seem likely, he'll just go on LTIR.

Another thing that sucks about Little likely being finished is not only losing a good player but also Chevy likely signs Eakin to some ****ty contract, the timing of all the variables is making a bad Eakin extension very possible.

These are the variables imo in no particular order:
-Little can't return for next season unfortunately
-Theres no 2C's available in trade without an overpay and Chevy is too arrogant to take a risk and look like he overpaid/lost a trade
-If there is any 2C's available the Jets being first on 99% of 'No trade lists makes acquiring another center difficult
-The Jets pro scouts have failed to identify a center that could potentially be a 2nd line center, a guy who's flying under the radar so to speak on a struggling team maybe, I doubt the scouts have even been asked to do this though
-Eakin really doesn't want to play in Winnipeg but money talks and this is his last chance to get paid so he bites his tongue and signs for a dollar amount and term he really shouldn't get that will very likely cause cap problems sooner than later
-Theres almost no centers available in free agency and Winnipeg isn't a desirable destination for UFA's
-After trading for Stastny and Hayes he doesn't want to lose another center he gave assets for even though a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't all that valuable
-Chevy doesn't like criticism or to look like he can't fill this obvious need after missing on Stastny and Hayes so he hands Eakin a $4.25M×4 contract or something to that effect
-Chevy can see this dumb fanbase has been clamoring for a local boy to play for this team so he gives them what they want, Eakin is from Winnipeg
-Chevy is a very risk averse GM, signing Eakin is the easy move for him
-Theres zero center prospects in the system other then Gustafsson who looks like a 3C at best
-Maurice won't give Roslovic a chance at 2C
-Ehlers and Laine are so good to prop up Eakin's numbers giving Chevy the idea that Eakin can be a 2C for this team when really he's a 3C, a good playoff run will solidify this for Chevy
-Eakin fits the mold of the grindy hockey player Maurice likes
-Wheeler runs Maurice and has clearly told him he's done with playing center for extended lengths like he was doing this season

So you take all those variables/factors and mix them in the slow cooker and an overcooked bad tasting and bad smelling Eakin extension being served up to Jets fans in the offseason whenever that is seems very possible, I really hope I'm wrong.

Yeah I really hope he doesn’t extend Eakin, DeMelo is a different story tho. Honestly I would like to see either PoMo or Chevy grow some balls. Either trade for a legit 2c (Cirelli or Domi, etc) or play Rosy at 2C. He was pretty solid this year and I think he has the skills to do it if given the chance.
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13 juill. 2020 à 21 h 51
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Not necessarily. He would be retiring for health reasons and I’m pretty sure the recapture only applies to players who signed contracts that were like 10/15 years (kovalchuck, luongo, parise, sutter, Weber to name a few). Those contracts are penalized because both parties knew the likelihood of them making it to the end was low. There isn’t really one for current players. See Callahan, zetterberg etc

The jets could also just terminate it like they did with buff, if little was willing to do so


Well it specified retirement, if he is "legally not cleared to play due to a lingering injury" then yes he can stay on LTIR and collect his money. A terminated contract has to be agreed upon by both parties or in the case of Buff, the player under contract has to violate the rules and restrictions of said contract.

Still doesn't make any sense for Toronto. having players on LTIR means your cap is pseudo increased to what teams total cap hit is if they were healthy, not the league cap + the player's cap hit. meaning to maximize the LTIR cap space the team has to be at the cap ceiling when you exclude his contract. Furthermore, due to being above the league cap the team is unable to accrue cap space as the season progresses making trade deadline acquisitions very difficult.
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Well it specified retirement, if he is "legally not cleared to play due to a lingering injury" then yes he can stay on LTIR and collect his money. A terminated contract has to be agreed upon by both parties or in the case of Buff, the player under contract has to violate the rules and restrictions of said contract.

Still doesn't make any sense for Toronto. having players on LTIR means your cap is pseudo increased to what teams total cap hit is if they were healthy, not the league cap + the player's cap hit. meaning to maximize the LTIR cap space the team has to be at the cap ceiling when you exclude his contract. Furthermore, due to being above the league cap the team is unable to accrue cap space as the season progresses making trade deadline acquisitions very difficult.


Yeah I don't get why Toronto would what an LTIR contract this offseason whenever it is, like wasn't the only reason they acquired the Clarkson contract was to create artificial cap space for a potential offersheet to Marner?

But this year they have no big rfa's to sign and an offersheet on Mikheyev wouldn't be large anyway so I don't see how an LTIR contract helps them now, I don't know all the details of how that works so if I'm wrong perhaps you or someone else can explain it to me.
13 juill. 2020 à 22 h 23
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Well it specified retirement, if he is "legally not cleared to play due to a lingering injury" then yes he can stay on LTIR and collect his money. A terminated contract has to be agreed upon by both parties or in the case of Buff, the player under contract has to violate the rules and restrictions of said contract.

Still doesn't make any sense for Toronto. having players on LTIR means your cap is pseudo increased to what teams total cap hit is if they were healthy, not the league cap + the player's cap hit. meaning to maximize the LTIR cap space the team has to be at the cap ceiling when you exclude his contract. Furthermore, due to being above the league cap the team is unable to accrue cap space as the season progresses making trade deadline acquisitions very difficult.


I didn’t mention anything about toronto. But I mutual contract termination isn’t out of the realm of possibility. That’s said, I personally don’t think he retires. I think he recovers and keeps playing.
13 juill. 2020 à 22 h 25
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I didn’t mention anything about toronto. But I mutual contract termination isn’t out of the realm of possibility. That’s said, I personally don’t think he retires. I think he recovers and keeps playing.


My bad, the guy who did, his name also starts with an "A"
13 juill. 2020 à 22 h 25
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Yeah I don't get why Toronto would what an LTIR contract this offseason whenever it is, like wasn't the only reason they acquired the Clarkson contract was to create artificial cap space for a potential offersheet to Marner?

But this year they have no big rfa's to sign and an offersheet on Mikheyev wouldn't be large anyway so I don't see how an LTIR contract helps them now, I don't know all the details of how that works so if I'm wrong perhaps you or someone else can explain it to me.


LTIR also has something to do with performance bonuses I believe though I can’t remember what
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Yeah I really hope he doesn’t extend Eakin, DeMelo is a different story tho. Honestly I would like to see either PoMo or Chevy grow some balls. Either trade for a legit 2c (Cirelli or Domi, etc) or play Rosy at 2C. He was pretty solid this year and I think he has the skills to do it if given the chance.


Very much agree, acquiring Eakin like 3 or 4 years ago would've been great but extending him now is pretty much pointless, like if they could get him for $2M× 2 or 3 then that's not terrible but you lose a 3rd rather then a 4th and he's likely wanting much more aav to sign in Winnipeg so I just don't see it as worth it.

Copp is more of a 3C then anything else, Roslo did pretty well at 3C and definitely has the skill to be a 2C, Shore could be resigned cheap for 4C depth, Gustafsson is likely around and looks like a 3 or 4C, Lowry is here for another season at least and Harkins was a C in the AHL so this team has plenty of 3/4C options which Eakin just adds to what they already have plenty of, they need a true 2C or at the very least a 3C with low end 2C potential like Tierney maybe but that'd mean taking a risk and parting with an asset or two. Other then Roslovic I see no potential 2C's on the Jets, maybe Harkins but Maurice being so 1995 in his thought process I can't see him trying Harkins at center let alone 2C even though Harkins seems like more of a Maurice type player then Roslovic is.

I'm all for acquiring Domi, I'd overpay for a long term signed Domi, Cirelli too but I can't see Tampa not figuring their cap crunch out, I just don't have much faith in Chevy, he really doesn't make enough moves building this lineup and roster imo, far too reliant on the draft and no team is built solely through the draft.
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Very much agree, acquiring Eakin like 3 or 4 years ago would've been great but extending him now is pretty much pointless, like if they could get him for $2M× 2 or 3 then that's not terrible but you lose a 3rd rather then a 4th and he's likely wanting much more aav to sign in Winnipeg so I just don't see it as worth it.

Copp is more of a 3C then anything else, Roslo did pretty well at 3C and definitely has the skill to be a 2C, Shore could be resigned cheap for 4C depth, Gustafsson is likely around and looks like a 3 or 4C, Lowry is here for another season at least and Harkins was a C in the AHL so this team has plenty of 3/4C options which Eakin just adds to what they already have plenty of, they need a true 2C or at the very least a 3C with low end 2C potential like Tierney maybe but that'd mean taking a risk and parting with an asset or two. Other then Roslovic I see no potential 2C's on the Jets, maybe Harkins but Maurice being so 1995 in his thought process I can't see him trying Harkins at center let alone 2C even though Harkins seems like more of a Maurice type player then Roslovic is.

I'm all for acquiring Domi, I'd overpay for a long term signed Domi, Cirelli too but I can't see Tampa not figuring their cap crunch out, I just don't have much faith in Chevy, he really doesn't make enough moves building this lineup and roster imo, far too reliant on the draft and no team is built solely through the draft.

Certainly agree on your points there.

To be fair though, the main reason why the jets have seen regression over the past couple years has been because simply, the players still here have just been playing worse. For example, Mark Scheifele had a legit case to be called a top 5 C in the 17-18 season, he was excellent. Josh Morrissey played like a true #1 defenceman. Adam Lowry and Perrault were two VERY strong depth players, now they were barely NHL level this season. Even Blake wheeler has seen regression, as well had Kyle Connor in terms of overall play. The only players you could say have gotten better since that season are Hellebuyck and Roslovic, Ehlers maybe as well (he has always been very good though) that says something to have that many players regress.

The only players that we really should have tried harder to keep since that 17-18 season are Statsny, Armia, Tanev, and Chiarot. The rest weren’t these huge losses that Everyone was making them up to be.

You can say that this has been because of poor coaching or the players simply not putting in the same effort as they did before.

The way I see it, this summer should hold no excuses. We will have the cap to go out there and seriously improve this team. If we are still seeing adequate at best results by the middle of next year I think it’s time for a coaching change.
 
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