You are so full of crap lol.

Ceci wasnt paired with Muzzin because Holl was better. They d8dnt want him with Ruelly cause he was dragging Rielly down.

They tried him as a top 4 D and it didnt work.

You probably dont even watch hockey and just make up stuff so you can argue with people.

My advice to you is to watch some hockey. Stop making up stuff and then lying to try to cover for yourself.

You guys are going to regret trading Regula away for Perlini. Regula is looking good

Except Liljegren is not looking like much compared to other 1st round draft picks in 2017 to be honest, the entire group between picks 15 through 18 all look about the same so far. Foote of course hasn't showed anything but the others have looked so so in limited time. Then of course you have Jokiharju who looks a lot better. And don't think for a minute Liljren is better then Makar or a top 5 pick...please don't go there.

It was a calculated risk with Hronek, Seider, Lindstrom, and Tuomisto all being RD. It’s also probably pretty awkward now because his dad is Detroit’s dentist! Perlini is supposedly Larkins good friend.

Muzzin was paired with Barrie from the start of the season until November 16th. Because Barrie was such a disaster defensively, Holl was Muzzin's partner from November 19th on. Barrie was moved down to play with Dermott from November 19th until December 3rd. After that he was tried with Rielly and in general played with Rielly (when Rielly was healthy) when the Leafs' were trailing or otherwise pushing for a goal. Ceci in general played with Rielly when the Leafs' were protecting a lead or otherwise more worried about not getting scored on. Hence it is not surprising that in the 24 games Ceci played more than 21 minutes the Leafs were 15-4-5 (120 point pace) and the 14 games he played fewer than 19 minutes they were 4-8-2 (59 point pace). Over the course of the season Ceci played with Rielly 475 minutes at 5v5. Barrie 305.



Ceci played top-4 minutes almost every game he played this season. The exceptions were almost exclusively in games when the Leafs' fell behind early.

This doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. The only ones who can't are so biased, dumb and dishonest that they can't see the most obvious things. You only have to look at the last game of the season when the Leafs beat Tampa 2 - 1. Ceci played more than 21 minutes, Barrie played under 16 minutes. Rielly's partner was Ceci because it was a tough opponent and the Leafs held a one goal lead for most of the game. Then all one has to do is look at training camp where once again Rielly is paired with Ceci and Barrie is paired with Dermott. They are preparing to go up against a tough opponent where Barrie's lack of defensive ability will restrict his minutes except when the Leafs' are trailing in games.

You would know all this if you watched hockey and could process basic information.

CBJ isn't going to trade Peeke for a late round 2nd. They drafted him at the top of the 2nd round. He's almost a 1st round pick.
And he's played well.
If anything his value has gone up not down.

You can choose to be a person who looks at a glass as half full or half empty and obviously you are a person that thinks your glass is half empty. You can also choose in life whether to be a believer or a non-believer and i think you are a non-believer, but you need to realize that it is the believers in this world who go on to do truly great things in life. I guess i choose to be a believer and think the Leafs are going to some truly great things in the future.

You are writing off a kid who is being slow cooked as an NHL defenceman and being developed the proper way who has the huge upside potential even though you can not see it.

I am a realist, and your comment wasn't being a "believer". It was just showing your toronto bias because no one would agree on anything you said there. Being a "believer" is saying that Sandin could be a very good NHL defensemen. I believe that is the case. But you absolutely lost your mind when saying he could be a Lidstrom type player

if he turns into a top 4 D that will be great for him, but given the logjam on the leafs left side and the refusal of the coaching staff to play him with Rielly, I dont think its going to happen in TO.

No they do but we have Jarmo as our GM, not Scott Howson or Dougie Mac. We are not going to trade players who are good for ****ty leftovers or be a farm team for big markets. That time is over. Make fair trades.

I will ignore most of this thread but if you are curious about what knowing more about the above players I can give a VGK perspective.

Whitecloud - Really solid defensive defenseman who won't do anything flashy but make very little mistakes. He is on the VGK roster next year since he has proved to be better than their UFA options and they are tight on the cap.

Coughlan - Reasonably good defensively, carries the puck well but the thing most people like about him is that his shot is compared to Shea Weber in power and pretty accurate. I am hoping he stays in Vegas because I think he should have made the roster this past year.

They could go after a Pysyk/Gudas type for cheap in free agency (they can afford them if they dump Johnsson)

You are not a realistic and are just another pessimist who is not paying real attention to Sandin's upside.

Again you are clueless to how to develope an NHL defenceman and Dermott will be playing on the right side this next year.

saying Sandin's upside is Lidstrom is absolutely insane. I said sandin could be a good top pairing D. get a life and quit trolling people.

well for your sake hopefully leafs address their D issues this offseason so dermott isn't forced to go from a bottom pairing left hand D, to a top pairing Right hand D playing against teams toughest competition with rielly. last time I checked, thats not a good way to develop NHL defenceman

You keep writing off Dermott and you obvious have no confidence in his abilities. I can tell you that you are going to be shocked by what you are going to see when Dermott is given the responsibility and paired with Rielly. Dermott had an incredible game against Tampa in his last game before covid hit as he was pushed into a role of responsibility. You need to know that he was an important part in the great Erie Otters junior teams and played alot with the great young players like McDavid, Brown, DebrinCat and Strome. Do not write him off as he is just getting started.

You do not seem to realize that if you can play, you can play in the NHL and Sandman is something special even though you can not see it. You probably said the same thing about Elias Petterson with the Canucks before he showed you what he could do in his first year in the league. Tired of your know it all comments as they are just so negative as if you are the next Scotty Bowman in terms of player evaulations on CapFriendly.

Sandin was the best defenseman in the World Juniors and American Hockey League last year and is going to be a top pairing defenceman in the NHL for years.

I never said he wouldn’t be a top pairing defensemen. It’s entirely possible. If you knew anything about my posts you would know I’m very high on sandin and actually recognize his potential. I draw the line when you compare him to NHL legends. It just shows how bias you are. Also ranking Rielly a top 10 D in the league was bias too. That entire post you made was so leafs skewed

He’s only 23 I’m not writing him off, I just don’t like how Toronto is Utilizing his development. I bet you he’s traded this offseason in a package for a legit RHD. You’re acting like Dermott is a top pairing D cause he had one good game against Tampa vs a whole 3 year career of being a 3rd paid guy. And bringing up his junior career is completely useless in the NHL. Derrick Pouliot was far better than Dermott in juniors and look what he did in the NHL. Absolutely nothing

So i am biased for ranking Rielly in the top 10 defenceman in the entire NHL? @PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood @palhal @Jamiepo Can you guys please give me your honest opinion to the following question.

Question#1 Do you think Morgan Rielly should be ranked in the top 10 defenceman in the NHL?

@PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood @palhal @Jamiepo Can you guys also help me out on the following question.

Question#2 Do you honestly think the Leafs will trade Dermott this offseason in a package for a legit RHD?

Question#3 Do you think Dermott has the real potential to be a top pairing defenceman?

Note - I am asking you this question because I actually think he does and that he is being developed properly and being slow cooked and I truly believe it takes longer to develope a great NHL defenceman and Dermott is only 23 years old and he has big time upside.

First your Reilly question. Certainly for this year Reilly was better than average but I would have just a B average at best. Reilly is very good on the PP, but really he isn't that much above average at even strength. He is a defensive liability when the opposition controls the puck in the neutral zone. I have trouble classifiying any Dman as top tier when the coaches don't like playing him on the PK.

Leafs don't have the cap to acquire good RHD, so as a result I would rather keep Dermot. Leafs don't have the NHL depth to be trading any Dmen.

I have trouble understanding what "top pair" means. Who is the top pair on the Leafs? The RHD who plays with Reilly or Muzzin? I don't considered Reilly top pair.
Dermot in the past two seasons played a lot with a Russian rookie and then Ceci. 17 minutes a game both seasons, and was plus player both seasons. IMO Dermot can play with anyone and be effective.

Too much is made of this RHD fascination and really it's an obsession with only the Leafs. Getting six/seven competent NHL Dmen is important, not getting inferior players just because they shoot right

That one backfired on you lmfao. Even leafs fans don’t think he’s a top 10 D lol