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Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 13 juill. 2020
Publié: 13 juill. 2020
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  1. Sandin, Rasmus
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Pretty equivalent prospects, so lets say this is assuming they are still neck and neck at this point. Seider seems to be a bit more of a defensive guy, Sandin more offensive. Leafs need a RHD, DET needs an LHD.
TOR
  1. Seider, Moritz
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If Sandin is much better than Seider, or vice versa, at this point, then the deal doesn't happen.
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13 juill. 2020 à 17 h 54
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If you have not heard too much about Seider you might think this makes sense. But the wings fanbase LOVES Seider, and you gotta imagine that management feels the sames, he has all the traits you want in a blue chip prospect. Hard pass.
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13 juill. 2020 à 17 h 55
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That trade gave me a good laugh. Seider is a much better prospect than Sandin.
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I am a big fan of Sandin, but to be honest, he is not Seider. I think Sandin can be a very, very good D, while I think Seider will be elite
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Quoting: Seider53
If you have not heard too much about Seider you might think this makes sense. But the wings fanbase LOVES Seider, and you gotta imagine that management feels the sames, he has all the traits you want in a blue chip prospect. Hard pass.


Leafs fans love Sandin, and was hard to give up too. Both meet everything you need in a blue chip prospect, and seem to be very neck and neck in prospect rankings and just overall value. If they draft Drysdale this would totally make sense for both sides, as much as I hate to give up sandin.
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That trade gave me a good laugh. Seider is a much better prospect than Sandin.


False. They are about even. Sandin has better AHL numbers, was a beast in the WJC, winning top defenceman of the tournament, and it was quite hard to trade him. But positionally it would make sense for both
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13 juill. 2020 à 17 h 58
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Quoting: redwingsfan04
That trade gave me a good laugh. Seider is a much better prospect than Sandin.


Quoting: Seider53
If you have not heard too much about Seider you might think this makes sense. But the wings fanbase LOVES Seider, and you gotta imagine that management feels the sames, he has all the traits you want in a blue chip prospect. Hard pass.


The wings bias comes into play!!! I love to see it. From an objective POV, the value is pretty equivalent. Seider may have the edge due to draft position but it’s pretty close.

But obviously both teams aren’t trading their blue chip prospects for each other.
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13 juill. 2020 à 17 h 59
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Leafs fans love Sandin, and was hard to give up too. Both meet everything you need in a blue chip prospect, and seem to be very neck and neck in prospect rankings and just overall value. If they draft Drysdale this would totally make sense for both sides, as much as I hate to give up sandin.


See this is why I think you may just not be familiar with Seider. Drafting Drysdale does not make Seider redundant, drafting Drysdale gives Seider a potential partner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GizOEF4GVMM&t=209s If you're going to make as bold a proposal as getting Detroit to trade Seider. Watch Seider play first.
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I am a big fan of Sandin, but to be honest, he is not Seider. I think Sandin can be a very, very good D, while I think Seider will be elite


what has Seider done to make him better? His draft position? Sandin was WJC top Dman, better AHL numbers, and more. I think they are close to even. But hey, the condition on the trade was IF they are relatively even after each of their first full seasons, which I don't think is a very unreasonable claim
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False. They are about even. Sandin has better AHL numbers, was a beast in the WJC, winning top defenceman of the tournament, and it was quite hard to trade him. But positionally it would make sense for both


Agreed. Similar value and positionally it makes sense, but it would never happen. Both organizations are too high on their own player. It’s a good fantasy hockey trade, but not in reality
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13 juill. 2020 à 18 h 0
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The wings bias comes into play!!! I love to see it. From an objective POV, the value is pretty equivalent. Seider may have the edge due to draft position but it’s pretty close.

But obviously both teams aren’t trading their blue chip prospects for each other.

THANK YOU!!! They are very close, and I said the deal only works if they are still very close. I agree its unlikely that a blue-chip swap occurs, but I think it just might help everyone positionally if they draft Drysdale
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Agreed. Similar value and positionally it makes sense, but it would never happen. Both organizations are too high on their own player. It’s a good fantasy hockey trade, but not in reality

fun to look at fantasy trades tho. I think it would benefit both teams, as hard as it was to trade Sandin as a leafs fan
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13 juill. 2020 à 18 h 2
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what has Seider done to make him better? His draft position? Sandin was WJC top Dman, better AHL numbers, and more. I think they are close to even. But hey, the condition on the trade was IF they are relatively even after each of their first full seasons, which I don't think is a very unreasonable claim


Seider is a Defence first defenceman. His similar AHL D+1 season shows he can put up comparable offensive numbers, while being more responsible in his own zone than Sandin
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THANK YOU!!! They are very close, and I said the deal only works if they are still very close. I agree its unlikely that a blue-chip swap occurs, but I think it just might help everyone positionally if they draft Drysdale


In a vacuum yes it makes sense. But from a realistic viewpoint, how good does it look with Detroit trading their 6th overall pick from last season, which many people are already labeling their future “franchise D man”?

I like the idea in a vacuum, but not in practicality
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Quoting: Seider53
See this is why I think you may just not be familiar with Seider. Drafting Drysdale does not make Seider redundant, drafting Drysdale gives Seider a potential partner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GizOEF4GVMM&t=209s If you're going to make as bold a proposal as getting Detroit to trade Seider. Watch Seider play first.


I could pull up a highlight reel for sandin that looks just as flashy, this didn't help your point. Drysdale and Seider are both RHD, and its never ideal to force someone to the other side. Believe me, I had a hard time trading sandin. If you look outside of draft position and more at numbers and accolades, Leafs would be foolish to do this. But I do believe that they are very close in value and potential, and that positionally both teams benefit
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Agreed. Similar value and positionally it makes sense, but it would never happen. Both organizations are too high on their own player. It’s a good fantasy hockey trade, but not in reality


I'd not say much better player, but a better player. But yes, also the risk is also too high to make that deal.
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fun to look at fantasy trades tho. I think it would benefit both teams, as hard as it was to trade Sandin as a leafs fan


Yes I agree. I’d rather see trades with fair value and positional fits rather than just the typical garbage you see on this site
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I like it. Both would do well for the other team and if the wings draft Drysdale it all works out cause just picture Sandin-Drysdale on the wings. In general trades even and both guys play a similar game despite one being taller than the other.
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I could pull up a highlight reel for sandin that looks just as flashy, this didn't help your point. Drysdale and Seider are both RHD, and its never ideal to force someone to the other side. Believe me, I had a hard time trading sandin. If you look outside of draft position and more at numbers and accolades, Leafs would be foolish to do this. But I do believe that they are very close in value and potential, and that positionally both teams benefit


Ok, so if you look at numbers for say, Jay Bouwmeester you see that in his prime he put up similar points to John-Michael Liles. I think its patently obvious who is the better player there. They play a different style of hockey, so comparing numbers is not valid. Seider is a Defence first D, Sandin is not. So pointing out that their numbers are comparable is a negative to Sandin.
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Detroit wouldn't have taken him at 6 if they weren't super high on him. Their value is probably closer than I realize but we wouldn't do it.
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Detroit wouldn't have taken him at 6 if they weren't super high on him. Their value is probably closer than I realize but we wouldn't do it.


This is more from a fantasy standpoint- neither team trades their blue chip. Outside of draft position Sandin has a better track record (better AHL numbers, WJC top defenceman, etc.) but they are relatively even prospects and both teams are high on their respective players. That said, if they take Drysdale, swapping an RHD for an equivalent LHD isn't a bad idea. It was tough for me to trade sandin, but positionally it makes good sense for both sides
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Ok, so if you look at numbers for say, Jay Bouwmeester you see that in his prime he put up similar points to John-Michael Liles. I think its patently obvious who is the better player there. They play a different style of hockey, so comparing numbers is not valid. Seider is a Defence first D, Sandin is not. So pointing out that their numbers are comparable is a negative to Sandin.


Brutal comparison. Sandin is two way- very responsible positionally but also a smart puck mover and playmaker, can get it out of his zone very effectively. If you watched the WJC, you should recognize how unreal he is. Both teams are equally as high on their respective player. I hesitate to do it as a leafs fan, but positionally it makes a good deal of sense for both sides.
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Brutal comparison. Sandin is two way- very responsible positionally but also a smart puck mover and playmaker, can get it out of his zone very effectively. If you watched the WJC, you should recognize how unreal he is. Both teams are equally as high on their respective player. I hesitate to do it as a leafs fan, but positionally it makes a good deal of sense for both sides.


Right, im not arguing Sandin is offence only. But Seider was taken at 6 on the basis of his defensive game alone. He is a defensive D-Man first and foremost. Sandin is a very good 2 way guy. But if you have a 2 way guy, vs a defensive guy, and their offensive output is similar, I dont see why I would trade away the defensive player.
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I could pull up a highlight reel for sandin that looks just as flashy, this didn't help your point. Drysdale and Seider are both RHD, and its never ideal to force someone to the other side. Believe me, I had a hard time trading sandin. If you look outside of draft position and more at numbers and accolades, Leafs would be foolish to do this. But I do believe that they are very close in value and potential, and that positionally both teams benefit


Can you send this highlight reel over please. I'd genuinely be curious to see it.
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Imo the biggest difference between Sandin and Seider is the fact that Sandin's year older. Of course his numbers look now better than Seider's does - after all this was his first year in NA, but already second for Sandin.

Their first year performance looked very much alike, and therefore I wouldn't risk it if I were Yzerman. Imo Sandin's good, but not THAT good. You're potetially trading a Werenski for a Jones in a sense.
 
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