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Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 13 juill. 2020
Publié: 13 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2700 000 $
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3925 000 $
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11 000 000 $
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33 000 000 $
56 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1700 000 $
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  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
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  1. Jarry, Tristan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Johnson, Jack
  3. Lafferty, Sam [Droits de RFA]
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NMC
UFA - 2
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AD, AG
UFA - 1
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M-NTC
UFA - 5
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UFA - 1
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AG, AD
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UFA - 2
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UFA - 4
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DG
UFA - 5
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
RFA - 2
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UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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AG, C
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
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UFA - 1

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13 juill. 2020 à 15 h 13
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Please stop trying to trade us Bjugstad. We don't want him.
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Please stop trying to trade us Bjugstad. We don't want him.


JEE isn't a 2C
13 juill. 2020 à 15 h 15
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Please stop trying to trade us Bjugstad. We don't want him.


Nobody wants him.
13 juill. 2020 à 15 h 16
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Nobody wants him.


Personally guarantee a team takes him this summer. The same fans that say no one wants him will make rosters that include Galchenyuk making more than league min
13 juill. 2020 à 15 h 29
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JEE isn't a 2C


And Bjugstad is? lol

I could see a Pateryn/Bjugstad "let's swap disappointments" trade, but giving up any pick doesn't make sense for a guy who can't seem to stay healthy.
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13 juill. 2020 à 15 h 34
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And Bjugstad is? lol

I could see a Pateryn/Bjugstad "let's swap disappointments" trade, but giving up any pick doesn't make sense for a guy who can't seem to stay healthy.


The point is that he's closer. Bjugstad really isn't a disappointment when healthy. It's a late round pick for a chance at a middle 6 center, or he just goes on LTIR and insurance covers the contract. Based off the reports that he might play this year, it's a solid gamble for a team with cap space in need of center depth.
13 juill. 2020 à 15 h 40
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The point is that he's closer. Bjugstad really isn't a disappointment when healthy. It's a late round pick for a chance at a middle 6 center, or he just goes on LTIR and insurance covers the contract. Based off the reports that he might play this year, it's a solid gamble for a team with cap space in need of center depth.


If he's not a disappointment, you keep him then. This is like a used car salesman trying to sell a lemon. lol
13 juill. 2020 à 15 h 58
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oilers pass. they would love to have jarry but jj contract will cripple the team
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Oilers want nothing to do with Johnson and his 3 years left on his contract
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13 juill. 2020 à 17 h 27
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At the very least Pittsburgh would be getting a physical shut-down defender capable of chewing up significant minutes against high-end competition, as well as a high-end 3RW who has all the talent and physical attributes to develop into a very good top 6 forward. Edmonton would be getting a potential starting goaltender, as well as a player who may, or may not, develop into a middle six forward, and a d-man who just doesn't fit their needs.

Trading Larsson would effectively signal that the Oilers are prepared to regress next season since Bear might be the only young RD they have who is capable of playing a top-4 role. Bringing in Johnson does not address that gap. Lafferty may, or may not be an upgrade over Chiasson and/or Archibald, but he isn't going to bump Yamamoto unless Edmonton's second line drops significantly from the lofty performance it put in after December 2019. He might get an audition beside McDavid, but he'd have to push out Kassian, who currently owns that spot.

Pittsburgh definitely wins that trade.

I think Jarry, Samuel Poulin (or Filip Hallander) , and Pittsburgh's 2020 3rd and 2021 2nd round picks might be a closer to equal value. I see Poulin or Hallander + 3rd = Larsson, and Jarry + 2nd = Puljujarvi. This scenario also frees up $4,166,666 in cap space for Edmonton, allowing them to sign Jarry, who is an RFA after the playoffs. It also opens up a bit more cap space for Holland to perhaps find a veteran to play in Tippett's top 4 on a short-term contract. if you think the price is too high, consider that the trade makes the Penguins stronger now, as their window of opportunity is fading, and sets the Oilers back by at least one season, probably two, at a time when their window of opportunity has just started to open.
13 juill. 2020 à 19 h 6
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Quoting: JayTea
If he's not a disappointment, you keep him then. This is like a used car salesman trying to sell a lemon. lol


They don’t need him but Minnesota does? McCann took his spot. Teams trade from positions of strength all the time idk what’s so confusing there
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At the very least Pittsburgh would be getting a physical shut-down defender capable of chewing up significant minutes against high-end competition, as well as a high-end 3RW who has all the talent and physical attributes to develop into a very good top 6 forward. Edmonton would be getting a potential starting goaltender, as well as a player who may, or may not, develop into a middle six forward, and a d-man who just doesn't fit their needs.

Trading Larsson would effectively signal that the Oilers are prepared to regress next season since Bear might be the only young RD they have who is capable of playing a top-4 role. Bringing in Johnson does not address that gap. Lafferty may, or may not be an upgrade over Chiasson and/or Archibald, but he isn't going to bump Yamamoto unless Edmonton's second line drops significantly from the lofty performance it put in after December 2019. He might get an audition beside McDavid, but he'd have to push out Kassian, who currently owns that spot.

Pittsburgh definitely wins that trade.

I think Jarry, Samuel Poulin (or Filip Hallander) , and Pittsburgh's 2020 3rd and 2021 2nd round picks might be a closer to equal value. I see Poulin or Hallander + 3rd = Larsson, and Jarry + 2nd = Puljujarvi. This scenario also frees up $4,166,666 in cap space for Edmonton, allowing them to sign Jarry, who is an RFA after the playoffs. It also opens up a bit more cap space for Holland to perhaps find a veteran to play in Tippett's top 4 on a short-term contract. if you think the price is too high, consider that the trade makes the Penguins stronger now, as their window of opportunity is fading, and sets the Oilers back by at least one season, probably two, at a time when their window of opportunity has just started to open.


Larsson isn’t worth close to what you proposed as a rental, and they trade him to clear the spot for Bouchard. I see Johnson as better than Russell so that’s really what the trade comes down to. No need for Larsson unless JJ is part of the return going the other way. Jarry is also worth significantly more than Puljujarvi at this point, no idea why we would add in a deal for him when only one of those players would easily fetch a first (and it’s not the one in Finland)
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
They don’t need him but Minnesota does? McCann took his spot. Teams trade from positions of strength all the time idk what’s so confusing there


And teams trade for things they need all the time. The Wild don't need a bottom 6 injury prone player. They can sign any random available center for a year and get pretty much the same result and keep their draft picks.
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And teams trade for things they need all the time. The Wild don't need a bottom 6 injury prone player. They can sign any random available center for a year and get pretty much the same result and keep their draft picks.


It’s a 5th lol idk why you’re so angry about the trade. It’s fair value for a middle 6 center and no one is forcing the Wild to do it, I’m just saying it would help both teams. Take a breather
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Personally guarantee a team takes him this summer. The same fans that say no one wants him will make rosters that include Galchenyuk making more than league min


I see one today where they paid him 3.5 million and had him scratched LOL logic.

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And Bjugstad is? lol

I could see a Pateryn/Bjugstad "let's swap disappointments" trade, but giving up any pick doesn't make sense for a guy who can't seem to stay healthy.


Bjugstad isn't really a disappointment. He was a gamble everyone knew he was. When he was healthy he was really good. He just can't stay that way.
But it's a solid trade for MIN. Because it's a contract year. And if a guy is going to play it's going to be in a contract year.
They only reason the penguins trade him is cap issues. They don't have a choice. If they had cap space, I think they keep him.
Either way for MIN, it's a 1 year deal, covered by insurance if he's always hurt. And if he's not, you are getting a solid player for close to nothing.
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14 juill. 2020 à 12 h 33
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At the end of the day, I don't think the deal you proposed makes sense for the Oilers and you think I am overvaluing the players you have targeted in your proposal. That's fine, I think we take different perspectives on the matter of value. You are considering your appraisal of individual value, and I am considering what each team needs now and the overall impact that trade proposal has in achieving those needs.

Fact is that the Penguins are at the precipice right now, and the downward spiral is one or two seasons away. Edmonton is in a very different spot, with a core that is only now beginning to enter its prime and an organization that projects to steadily improve year-over year for the next 5-6 years. What you propose has the effect of prolonging the inevitable for Pittsburgh and setting Edmonton back for the 20/21 season, and perhaps the 21/22 season as well.

Just because you choose to inappropriately assign Larsson in your roster doesn't mean his true trade value should be diminished. He's been a top-4 shut-down RHD his entire career, and projects to remain so for at least a few more seasons. His current salary is a relative bargain, and he will instantly improve Pittsburgh's defense. You want him on your team because you think that positions your team to take a run at another cup while the core of the roster can still compete. Frankly, Bouchard will not be able to replace Larsson next season. Edmonton is far more likely to hold onto him for their 20/21 playoff run and risk losing him as a UFA, rather than let him go for less than he's worth. He is more than a depth player, and he is currently playing on a playoff team, so expect the price to be high.

Jarry is a young goaltender with good stats, but acquiring goaltenders is always a gamble. He's bounced back and forth between the AHL and NHL, and right now projects well, however goalies almost never net the kind of trade return fans expect. Puljujarvi is one of the best NHL-ready players in the world not currently playing in the NHL. His value is tied to his potential, and his ability to step right into an NHL roster and contribute, and its tarnished by his poorly handled 3-years in Edmonton. Pittsburgh needs to avoid repeating the foolishness that led to losing Fluery to Vegas and getting nothing in return, so one of Murray, Jarry, and DeSmith should be traded. Edmonton is in no rush to trade Puljujarvi. Pittsburgh might be able to get a 1st round pick in return for Jarry, but that won't help Crosby and Malkin win more cups. An NHL-ready player who has already proven to be a decent 3RW and projects to be a top-6 forward can help now.

Jack Johnson, no thanks. Edmonton doesn't need him, they have an abundance of young, NHL-ready prospects ready to replace Russell. That should be evidenced by Edmonton's ability to not skip a beat after trading away a prospect like Marino. For example, Caleb Jones is far less expensive than Johnson, is a better skater, a better puck mover, and has already surpassed Russell. William Lagesson can easily be the 7th d-man now, and Dimitry Samorukov is going to be ready for some NHL experience before the end of next season.
14 juill. 2020 à 14 h 20
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At the end of the day, I don't think the deal you proposed makes sense for the Oilers and you think I am overvaluing the players you have targeted in your proposal. That's fine, I think we take different perspectives on the matter of value. You are considering your appraisal of individual value, and I am considering what each team needs now and the overall impact that trade proposal has in achieving those needs.

Fact is that the Penguins are at the precipice right now, and the downward spiral is one or two seasons away. Edmonton is in a very different spot, with a core that is only now beginning to enter its prime and an organization that projects to steadily improve year-over year for the next 5-6 years. What you propose has the effect of prolonging the inevitable for Pittsburgh and setting Edmonton back for the 20/21 season, and perhaps the 21/22 season as well.

Just because you choose to inappropriately assign Larsson in your roster doesn't mean his true trade value should be diminished. He's been a top-4 shut-down RHD his entire career, and projects to remain so for at least a few more seasons. His current salary is a relative bargain, and he will instantly improve Pittsburgh's defense. You want him on your team because you think that positions your team to take a run at another cup while the core of the roster can still compete. Frankly, Bouchard will not be able to replace Larsson next season. Edmonton is far more likely to hold onto him for their 20/21 playoff run and risk losing him as a UFA, rather than let him go for less than he's worth. He is more than a depth player, and he is currently playing on a playoff team, so expect the price to be high.

Jarry is a young goaltender with good stats, but acquiring goaltenders is always a gamble. He's bounced back and forth between the AHL and NHL, and right now projects well, however goalies almost never net the kind of trade return fans expect. Puljujarvi is one of the best NHL-ready players in the world not currently playing in the NHL. His value is tied to his potential, and his ability to step right into an NHL roster and contribute, and its tarnished by his poorly handled 3-years in Edmonton. Pittsburgh needs to avoid repeating the foolishness that led to losing Fluery to Vegas and getting nothing in return, so one of Murray, Jarry, and DeSmith should be traded. Edmonton is in no rush to trade Puljujarvi. Pittsburgh might be able to get a 1st round pick in return for Jarry, but that won't help Crosby and Malkin win more cups. An NHL-ready player who has already proven to be a decent 3RW and projects to be a top-6 forward can help now.

Jack Johnson, no thanks. Edmonton doesn't need him, they have an abundance of young, NHL-ready prospects ready to replace Russell. That should be evidenced by Edmonton's ability to not skip a beat after trading away a prospect like Marino. For example, Caleb Jones is far less expensive than Johnson, is a better skater, a better puck mover, and has already surpassed Russell. William Lagesson can easily be the 7th d-man now, and Dimitry Samorukov is going to be ready for some NHL experience before the end of next season.


You're still overrating Puljujarvi, since when is he "one of the best NHL-ready players in the world." He by and large has not worked out in Edmonton and he's entering bust territory. If he won't sign for next year with Edmonton, they absolutely should be in a rush to trade him while he still has value.

Holding onto Larsson for next year when the team is a ways from contending and Bouchard is in the pipeline is incredibly poor asset management but ok. Fine on not wanting JJ (I understand that point). But on its face, Larsson as a rental is worth significantly less than Jarry under team control, and I don't think Puljujarvi is worth that much more than Lafferty (difference of a second round pick plus vs. a fourth round pick plus). JJ was in the deal to make it cap neutral
14 juill. 2020 à 17 h 47
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
You're still overrating Puljujarvi, since when is he "one of the best NHL-ready players in the world." He by and large has not worked out in Edmonton and he's entering bust territory. If he won't sign for next year with Edmonton, they absolutely should be in a rush to trade him while he still has value.

Holding onto Larsson for next year when the team is a ways from contending and Bouchard is in the pipeline is incredibly poor asset management but ok. Fine on not wanting JJ (I understand that point). But on its face, Larsson as a rental is worth significantly less than Jarry under team control, and I don't think Puljujarvi is worth that much more than Lafferty (difference of a second round pick plus vs. a fourth round pick plus). JJ was in the deal to make it cap neutral


Whatever bud. You seem to be completely missing the fact that the Oilers have a young core and are in the process of building a perennial contender, while the Penguins have a rapidly aging core and are trying to win as many cups as possible before that core fails. The price to hang on, is greater than the price to build, it always is. You see, Edmonton doesn't need Lafferty, Jarry, and absolutely do not need Johnson. If they want to stay on track they do need Larsson.

The Oilers are far better off hanging onto Larsson and allowing Bouchard to develop in a sheltered role. If he forces his way onto the roster then he can start the season playing a sheltered role on the bottom pair and getting time on the second PP. That will allow him time to improve his defensive game and build confidence. By the time the season concludes, he may be quite ready for top-4 and 1st PP time. That would be perfect, and allow Tippett to put together a playoff team with fantastic defensive depth. The potential of Edmonton's top six forwards is much greater than it was at the beginning of this past season. Add a young, skilled defense that includes Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Bear, Jones, Bouchard, and possibly Benning, and the team may be closer to contention than you think. After the 2021 playoffs Larsson can walk if he wants, and Edmonton will have two young top 4 RD to compliment Klefbom and Nurse, and Jones. What's more, at the very least Samorukov and Broberg, and quite possibly Kesselring, and Kemp will all be pushing for NHL spots with in the following 2-3 years. That, my friend, is responsible asset management.

We can argue back and forth about Puljujarvi, but I can think of no other 22-year-old hockey player outside the NHL who has already proven to be a NHL 3RW and shown flashes of becoming much more. He has been one of the best NHL-ready players in the world not currently playing in the NHL, and he has been so since signing with Karpat. That is why he was also the most heavily scouted player in the Liiga, and perhaps why you have him lined up on Crosby's right side. I doesn't matter whether you agree that acquiring your 1RW is worth the price of your backup goaltender and a 2nd round pick. In the end, what matters is that a trade makes sense for both teams. What you proposed does not make sense for Edmonton because it is a move that takes the team off of its current plan, sets it back at least one season, and may expose a developing prospect unnecessarily. You don't believe that what I proposed makes sense for Pittsburgh, evidently because you feel it is too high a price to pay to get the players you identified in order to compete for another cup. That's fair. Time to move on.
 
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