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Jumbos Final Kick at the Can

Créé par: Dotz789
Date de création initiale: jui 12, 2020
Publié: 12 jui 2020 à 23 h 04
Équipe: 2020-21 Sharks de San Jose
Explications
Most importantly the team needs to bring in a well respected and Defensive first coaching staff. Forwards supporting the D is the #1 thing that leads to offense. It starts with Karlsson and Burns who both have got to step up their play in the D zone.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Middleton, Jacob2750 000 $
Roy, Jérémy2750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Thornton, Joe1750 000 $
Soucy, Carson2900 000 $
Greiss, Thomas23 500 000 $
Hall, Taylor79 000 000 $
Maroon, Patrick1900 000 $
Galchenyuk, Alex33 500 000 $
Thompson, Nate11 000 000 $
Transactions
SJS
  1. Poehling, Ryan
MTL
  1. Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
  2. 2020 2e round pick (COL)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TBL
SJS
SJS
OTT
PIT
WSH
2021
SJS
SJS
PIT
WSH
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
2022
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 869 999 $0 $1 447 500 $630 001 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Hall, Taylor
9 000 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 1
SJS
Couture, Logan
8 000 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 7
SJS
Meier, Timo
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 3
SJS
Kane, Evander
7 000 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 5
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
5 625 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Galchenyuk, Alex
3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
SJS
Thornton, Joe
750 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
SJS
True, Alex
763 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
SJS
Sörensen, Marcus
1 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Thompson, Nate
1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Maroon, Patrick
900 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
SJS
Simek, Radim
2 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
11 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
Greiss, Thomas
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 2
SJS
Ferraro, Mario
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
SJS
Burns, Brent
8 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 5
SJS
Jones, Martin
5 750 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 4
Soucy, Carson
900 000 $
D
UFA - 3
SJS
Merkley, Ryan
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
SJS
Gregor, Noah
768 333 $
C
RFA - 1
SJS
Gambrell, Dylan
700 000 $
C
RFA - 1
SJS
Middleton, Jacob
750 000 $
DG
RFA - 2

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12 jui 2020 à 23 h 14
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We already have our 7M dman signed until 40, no need for two... It would take a lot more coming in if you want to dump vlasic in MTL or anywhere

Edit: your new offer is even worse.. Try Alzner and kulak VS vlasic and that Colorado 2nd +

And even then I think it's a no, the guy is sign for 6 more years man and the contract is already bad. I think there is no offer you could make that will make a team accept him unless you take a other awful co tract back or that you give up a biiig piece which won't happen cause SJ needs all the picks and prospects they have for a rebuild or be ause its dumb to give an already good NHLer for a cap dump
12 jui 2020 à 23 h 19
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Sharks accept before the Habs have the chance to realize this is perhaps one of the worst trades of all time.

Then they send MTL a condolence card once they realize this was an absolute fleecing.

Needless to say Sharks accept.
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12 jui 2020 à 23 h 23
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The thing with Vlasic is there are two different versions of him. The version of him 2019 second-half to playoffs, where he was absolutely fantastic, and then the 2019-first-half and 2020 version of him, which was awful.
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12 jui 2020 à 23 h 26
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I mean you know it's bad when it starts with resigning Thornton.
Just let it go. He's done. Time to move on.
12 jui 2020 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
Sharks accept before the Habs have the chance to realize this is perhaps one of the worst trades of all time.

Then they send MTL a condolence card once they realize this was an absolute fleecing.

Needless to say Sharks accept.


That’s where I think you’re wrong, Vlasic is a big upgrade on the left side to a guy like Alzner who you could potentially deal or buyout. Maybe MTL might get an extra 2nd or 3rd out of this. Poeling is a good young player who has some upside. Prob a B level prospect at this point but Vlasic on the other hand might be in his early 30’s he’s a guy who is in the line up every single night and is consistently there on the back end . He’s not going to put up fancy numbers but any high level shut down D man like him will rub off on an elite goalie like Price.
12 jui 2020 à 23 h 32
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Quoting: pharrow
I mean you know it's bad when it starts with resigning Thornton.
Just let it go. He's done. Time to move on.


Haha Nooo, never! One more shot with the Sharks and this time if they don’t look good by trade deadline they will deal him to a contender. Hopefully it turns into a Ray Bourque situation for Jumbo! At this point I just want him to win a Cup!
12 jui 2020 à 23 h 33
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That Vlasic trade is legit one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Add a first and i still think it gets rejected.

Oh, and this team misses the playoffs by a mile.
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12 jui 2020 à 23 h 33
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Quoting: Dotz789
Haha Nooo, never! One more shot with the Sharks and this time if they don’t look good by trade deadline they will deal him to a contender. Hopefully it turns into a Ray Bourque situation for Jumbo! At this point I just want him to win a Cup!


no one is going to take him.
He's too old and slow.

Which is why SJS have no business resigning him at all.

And you'll be back the year after going....we need to resign Joe again......

Just crawl into a cave with that. He's done.
12 jui 2020 à 23 h 35
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Quoting: DenisPotvin
The thing with Vlasic is there are two different versions of him. The version of him 2019 second-half to playoffs, where he was absolutely fantastic, and then the 2019-first-half and 2020 version of him, which was awful.


There's only one Vlasic. The one that is 33, has 6 years left one his contract @7 mil per year and a NMC...
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12 jui 2020 à 23 h 36
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Quoting: Dotz789
That’s where I think you’re wrong, Vlasic is a big upgrade on the left side to a guy like Alzner who you could potentially deal or buyout. Maybe MTL might get an extra 2nd or 3rd out of this. Poeling is a good young player who has some upside. Prob a B level prospect at this point but Vlasic on the other hand might be in his early 30’s he’s a guy who is in the line up every single night and is consistently there on the back end . He’s not going to put up fancy numbers but any high level shut down D man like him will rub off on an elite goalie like Price.


Alzner vs Vlasic 2M retained + Tampa 1st and MTL still decline
Not a chance we touch Vlasic, he’s unreadable
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12 jui 2020 à 23 h 39
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Quoting: Dotz789
That’s where I think you’re wrong, Vlasic is a big upgrade on the left side to a guy like Alzner who you could potentially deal or buyout. Maybe MTL might get an extra 2nd or 3rd out of this. Poeling is a good young player who has some upside. Prob a B level prospect at this point but Vlasic on the other hand might be in his early 30’s he’s a guy who is in the line up every single night and is consistently there on the back end . He’s not going to put up fancy numbers but any high level shut down D man like him will rub off on an elite goalie like Price.


It pains me to say this, but Vlasic I think has lost it. For years he's been absolutely fantastic defensively and an asset offensively too. He deserved this contract...3 years ago. Now, he's aging, drying up, and I can't see Montreal agreeing to this considering that they already have a stacked left side on the back end. His contract is, by many, considered the worst in the entire league: He's 33 now, will be nearly 40 when it ends, and is getting overpaid by millions considering what he's actually worth at this point. All of that is coming from a Shark fan who has adored how he's played for years. I don't think he's the shut down D-man you think he is anymore.

To be honest, the Sharks wouldn't want to do it, but if sending an extra 1st to MTL was necessary to make this happen, I'd seriously still consider.
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 02
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I’m sorry to say (because I do very much like the Sharks, and Joe) but I don’t believe that Jumbo’s final kick at the can will be in San Jose. There’s too many issues with this team. I just hope that Joe gets traded to a contending team that I like at the deadline, and they can win the cup.

And there is nothing in the Sharks organization that the habs would get that could convince them to take on Vlasic’s contract.
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 04
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Quoting: pharrow
I mean you know it's bad when it starts with resigning Thornton.
Just let it go. He's done. Time to move on.


While part of me agrees with you the other part of me ask the question who in the nhl will play 3C put up 30-40 points and be a mentor to young wingers and a stabilizing voice in the locker room for 800-1m a season like he will next year?
He’s not his old self but he is still a guy you want on your team especially if your looking for cheap forwards!
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 07
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
I’m sorry to say (because I do very much like the Sharks, and Joe) but I don’t believe that Jumbo’s final kick at the can will be in San Jose. There’s too many issues with this team. I just hope that Joe gets traded to a contending team that I like at the deadline, and they can win the cup.

And there is nothing in the Sharks organization that the habs would get that could convince them to take on Vlasic’s contract.


Yea I feel
Joe May sign with Toronto or Boston for one final run
Marleau will be back so we still have one old man lol,
And short of 3 1st and substantial retaining no team will Touch vlasic my only hope is his failure was Debours pathetic D system more than his diminishing talent.
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13 jui 2020 à 0 h 12
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Yea I feel
Joe May sign with Toronto or Boston for one final run
Marleau will be back so we still have one old man lol,
And short of 3 1st and substantial retaining no team will Touch vlasic my only hope is his failure was Debours pathetic D system more than his diminishing talent.


I wouldn’t love those specific destinations, but yeah, it seems extremely plausible that Jumbo ends up wearing a different uniform next year before going to Switzerland.
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 13
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
While part of me agrees with you the other part of me ask the question who in the nhl will play 3C put up 30-40 points and be a mentor to young wingers and a stabilizing voice in the locker room for 800-1m a season like he will next year?
He’s not his old self but he is still a guy you want on your team especially if your looking for cheap forwards!


he's a guy you want on your team if you want to lose.

He has nothing left. If you want him as a voice hire him as an assistant coach.
There are plenty of other guys fighting for jobs who have more to offer than him on every team.
You are just attached to a name. Move on.
He's too slow to play 3rd line in the NHL. He's a 4C at best and even then he has no business out there playing the PK and blocking shots at 41-42 years old.
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 15
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Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
It pains me to say this, but Vlasic I think has lost it. For years he's been absolutely fantastic defensively and an asset offensively too. He deserved this contract...3 years ago. Now, he's aging, drying up, and I can't see Montreal agreeing to this considering that they already have a stacked left side on the back end. His contract is, by many, considered the worst in the entire league: He's 33 now, will be nearly 40 when it ends, and is getting overpaid by millions considering what he's actually worth at this point. All of that is coming from a Shark fan who has adored how he's played for years. I don't think he's the shut down D-man you think he is anymore.

To be honest, the Sharks wouldn't want to do it, but if sending an extra 1st to MTL was necessary to make this happen, I'd seriously still consider.


You very much put the nail on the head with this post my only hope is given the 10 month layoffs combined with our staunch new Defensive minded wiz head coach (Fingers crossed dreaming here) who repositions Vlassic and reduces his min and helps offset his half step speed loss Helping turn him back into a decent defenseman for at least 3-4 more years. Still a horrible contract but this one we owed him for constantly being underpaid and carrying us defensively. My real hope is her plays 4 more good years and voids his contract like byfuglyn helping both of us
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13 jui 2020 à 0 h 21
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
I wouldn’t love those specific destinations, but yeah, it seems extremely plausible that Jumbo ends up wearing a different uniform next year before going to Switzerland.


Why Switzerland
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 23
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Why Switzerland


He’s said that he would like to play at least another year back in Switzerland before he retires. (It was where he played during both lockouts)
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 28
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His final kick at the can will not be with the Sharks. He made it very clear after the deadline that he wants a legit shot at the Cup.
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 28
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Quoting: pharrow
he's a guy you want on your team if you want to lose.

He has nothing left. If you want him as a voice hire him as an assistant coach.
There are plenty of other guys fighting for jobs who have more to offer than him on every team.
You are just attached to a name. Move on.
He's too slow to play 3rd line in the NHL. He's a 4C at best and even then he has no business out there playing the PK and blocking shots at 41-42 years old.


He still put up 31 points in 70 games which is .44ppg
Which falls in line with most 3C in the league, he’s slow but plays well positionally and his line mates post better numbers with him than without.
Same can be said for Marleau as well, the team was significantly better with him than without this year.
I want to move on from Joe and Marleau badly... but they are still better and cheaper than their replacements and I see no reason to not resign them.
13 jui 2020 à 0 h 29
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
He’s said that he would like to play at least another year back in Switzerland before he retires. (It was where he played during both lockouts)


I knew he played there for the lockouts did not hear about him wanting another season there
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13 jui 2020 à 0 h 38
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
You very much put the nail on the head with this post my only hope is given the 10 month layoffs combined with our staunch new Defensive minded wiz head coach (Fingers crossed dreaming here) who repositions Vlassic and reduces his min and helps offset his half step speed loss Helping turn him back into a decent defenseman for at least 3-4 more years. Still a horrible contract but this one we owed him for constantly being underpaid and carrying us defensively. My real hope is her plays 4 more good years and voids his contract like byfuglyn helping both of us


That would really be ideal. Ugh I really hope he turns it around cause I know Pickles has it in him, but he's just been so inconsistent and unreliable. It's sad cause I know how good he can be. But yeah let's just hope that some of these guys who have been relied on way to heavily over the years bounce back after this extended break. My more optimistic side says this is a blessing in disguise, so let's hope that's the case.
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13 jui 2020 à 2 h 04
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Jumbo needs to get into reality and sign as a UFA with a contender like the Leafs if he really wants a last kick at the can.
13 jui 2020 à 3 h 14
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