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Créé par: Silkysmooth42
Équipe: 2020-21 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 11 juill. 2020
Publié: 11 juill. 2020
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Instead of commenting on each post ill just do it here:

IF they are going to make a stab at Boeser, the offer will absolutely include but not be limited to Kase.
If they get Boeser, Kase will just be a waste of cap space (considering they arent playing him on the 3rd line)
So lets just start with that.

Also, they will not give up Vaak or Stud. They are the best two prospects in the system, and for a team who needs to move him to make space for players, "beggers cant be choosers". Its not gonna lower his value MUCH, but they certainly arent getting that piece from the bruins

So if you are missing Kase
or are including Stud/Urho, just be cautious

In saying that: I am gonna start with an overpay to make sure im not called a "homer" etc lol
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Again this is definitely a major overpay, but id rather do that than be called biased lol
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11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 16
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
I remember when the bruins took pasta at 25. Kase should 100% make the top 6 on the canucks (especially if they trade Boeser) so not sure where thats coming from. And ok yeah B level prospects still hold some value.


Miller - Pettersson - Virtanen
Pearson - Horvat - Toffoli

Kase 100% doesn't make the top 6 even with Boeser gone
11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 17
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How is Kase and some scraps a major overpay?
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11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 19
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Top 6 RW. Hes on a stinky team dont forget.
And again, No. "both are pretty bad" literally just shows that you dont care to learn about other teams prospects


17th in the NHL is average

Kuhlman is a depth player who is well rounded, will be a 4th liner at best imo
Zboril is better but he's got the exact same amount of points the last 3 seasons, not even averaging 1/3 a point per game in the AHL
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11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 19
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HAHAHAHAHAHA thats the funniest thing i have ever seen


No Carlo no Boeser lol
11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 19
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That package does nothing for VAN
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11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 20
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Argue value all you want vancouver isn't doing that deal. The first will be late and kase value is debatable. Getting pieces like kuhlmam or zaboril just don't move the needle.
11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 21
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Argue value all you want vancouver isn't doing that deal. The first will be late and kase value is debatable. Getting pieces like kuhlmam or zaboril just don't move the needle.


Zboril won't become anything and Khulman is a fringe NHLer, so 100% agreed
11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 23
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That's not called an overpay, it's called fair value.
11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 24
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Detroit would be stupid not to accept that trade
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11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 34
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HAHAHAHAHAHA thats the funniest thing i have ever seen


Not mcavoy obviously but Carlo would make sense. Obviously Boston doesn’t have a Carlo replacement so there’s no trade to be made, but Carlo+ is a good value
11 juill. 2020 à 22 h 40
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Lmao, Overpay? that doesn't go through.
11 juill. 2020 à 23 h 38
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Not mcavoy obviously but Carlo would make sense. Obviously Boston doesn’t have a Carlo replacement so there’s no trade to be made, but Carlo+ is a good value


Carlo yeah but not Carlo+ lol

Regaurdless, I was just saying that him saying "starts with Mcavoy" is just plain dum, which of course it is
11 juill. 2020 à 23 h 40
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No Carlo no Boeser lol


Thats not how this works. If they want to move him, they probably wont get as much back for him. But again: as I SAID a carlo deal can work, but "starts with Mcavoy" is laughable
11 juill. 2020 à 23 h 52
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Wouldn't say you're a homer, but just as Canucks fans overvalue Boeser I think you've done the same for Zboril.

His final year was easily his best year in junior, but three straight 19 point seasons in the AHL doesn't show a promising trajectory for growth.

I don't know a lot about Kuhlman so I can't say much, but I think he's in the same boat as Zboril in the eyes of the Canucks. They're a team on the cusp of playoffs (in a normal year) and in moving a potential thirty-goal scorer they'd be looking for something that can help push the team forward immediately instead of a few years down the road. I don't see a lot of RHD depth in the Bruins system so prying Carlo would be very difficult (McAvoy is a no-go from Boston) but that would be the type of player the Canucks would ask for in my opinion. A lateral player-type move that addresses an immediate need in the system. Zboril, Kuhulman, and a 2021 pick that will probably be mid-late 20's doesn't do that.


Well said and well reasoned. I would just point out the importance of them "putting him on the block" perse. This isnt just a 'hey lets make a big trade', this is a 'we need cap space so we r gonna move a guy'. Im not saying Boesers value is killed, but he may not fetch exactly what they watn.

Again: like i said "Carlo and Boeser are about equal if they were the same position: Currently Top 6 (Top 4 dman), have potential to be Elite but most likely do have a high top 6 (top 4) cap." so a 1 for 1 is perfectly accurate given no extra stuff. Which is why IF the bruins wanted to part with Carlo, it would be Carlo and a 3rd for Boeser and Stetcher or something
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Quoting: TheAlien
Miller - Pettersson - Virtanen
Pearson - Horvat - Toffoli

Kase 100% doesn't make the top 6 even with Boeser gone


Ok where is Boeser right now? Like why does he make it but Kase doesnt
11 juill. 2020 à 23 h 53
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VAN decline
11 juill. 2020 à 23 h 55
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Ok where is Boeser right now? Like why does he make it but Kase doesnt


Boeser is in Virtanen's spot and are you really gonna try and compare Kase and Boeser?
11 juill. 2020 à 23 h 59
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Well said and well reasoned. I would just point out the importance of them "putting him on the block" perse. This isnt just a 'hey lets make a big trade', this is a 'we need cap space so we r gonna move a guy'. Im not saying Boesers value is killed, but he may not fetch exactly what they watn.

Again: like i said "Carlo and Boeser are about equal if they were the same position: Currently Top 6 (Top 4 dman), have potential to be Elite but most likely do have a high top 6 (top 4) cap." so a 1 for 1 is perfectly accurate given no extra stuff. Which is why IF the bruins wanted to part with Carlo, it would be Carlo and a 3rd for Boeser and Stetcher or something


Honestly, I'd be happy with Carlo & 3rd for Boes & Stech. You've got a deal.
12 juill. 2020 à 0 h 2
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""Carlo for Boeser trade talk in the thread""

Boeser, when healthy, costs almost US$6M now. Kicker is w/ just two years til he really cashes in the B's will have Krej either as a 3rd C or he'll be retired. Boeser @ US$8M new deal say, will be on an' ISLAND'...

Carlo has one more season before he likely gets to the US$5/6M dollar figure long term and he'll def be top-4. Cap is flat for next couple of years at least & D-wins championships...

Keep #25...
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12 juill. 2020 à 0 h 3
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Boeser is in Virtanen's spot and are you really gonna try and compare Kase and Boeser?


Im comparing Kase to Virtanen right now and telling you that if you play virtanen over Kase thats just bad coaching lol... Unless there is sick chemistry, but you proved my point by saying that that was boesers spot, meaning there is no chemistry there with virtanen
12 juill. 2020 à 0 h 4
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Quoting: ItsBlowTime
Honestly, I'd be happy with Carlo & 3rd for Boes & Stech. You've got a deal.


Quoting: McGruff
""Carlo for Boeser trade talk in the thread""

Boeser, when healthy, costs almost US$6M now. Kicker is w/ just two years til he really cashes in the B's will have Krej either as a 3rd C or he'll be retired. Boeser @ US$8M new deal say, will be on an' ISLAND'...

Carlo has one more season before he likely gets to the US$5/6M dollar figure long term. Cap is flat for next couple of years at least & D-wins championships...

Keep #25...


Yeah but we dont tho. Never really wanted to do that nor is it happening. Its just to make crazy people happy dawg
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12 juill. 2020 à 0 h 9
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Im comparing Kase to Virtanen right now and telling you that if you play virtanen over Kase thats just bad coaching lol... Unless there is sick chemistry, but you proved my point by saying that that was boesers spot, meaning there is no chemistry there with virtanen


Virtanen had 18 goals at the stoppage, Kase had 7 also Virtanen played on their line when Boeser was injured so they do have some chemistry
12 juill. 2020 à 1 h 20
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Carlo yeah but not Carlo+ lol

Regaurdless, I was just saying that him saying "starts with Mcavoy" is just plain dum, which of course it is


I mean Carlo is a good top 4 D. But Boeser holds more value than him. Or at least he should. We’ve seen teams overpay for the RHD position in the past like Hall for Larsson. But personally, if I was building a team, I’d take Boeser over Carlo. Way more upside
12 juill. 2020 à 8 h 54
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I mean Carlo is a good top 4 D. But Boeser holds more value than him. Or at least he should. We’ve seen teams overpay for the RHD position in the past like Hall for Larsson. But personally, if I was building a team, I’d take Boeser over Carlo. Way more upside


Not really, again check my new post it explains it perfectly.

They are literally the same player at different positions in every way. Role, Upside, Cap, and thus Value
12 juill. 2020 à 8 h 54
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Virtanen had 18 goals at the stoppage, Kase had 7 also Virtanen played on their line when Boeser was injured so they do have some chemistry


Now thats a better explanation
 
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