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Équipe: 2020-21 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 11 juill. 2020
Publié: 11 juill. 2020
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  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus (800 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
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  2. Juolevi, Olli
  3. Sutter, Brandon
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (VAN)
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  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (ANA)
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  1. Bowey, Madison [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. Eriksson, Loui
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (ANA)
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11 juill. 2020 à 11 h 28
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11 juill. 2020 à 11 h 52
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I think the Sabres need to pass on this. Boeser is not worth 8 o/a. If we could work in Horvat and Virtanen instead I would be up for that. Boeser is a nice player, but for 8 o/a I want a legit 2C or at least a play driving, puck carrying winger. Marner, Johnny hockey, Huberdeau, etc
11 juill. 2020 à 11 h 57
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11 juill. 2020 à 12 h 19
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I think the Sabres need to pass on this. Boeser is not worth 8 o/a. If we could work in Horvat and Virtanen instead I would be up for that. Boeser is a nice player, but for 8 o/a I want a legit 2C or at least a play driving, puck carrying winger. Marner, Johnny hockey, Huberdeau, etc


8 OA might get a conversation started on Johnny hockey , the rest you listed would take a lot more than 8 OA which Buffalo can't really afford
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11 juill. 2020 à 12 h 21
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I think the Sabres need to pass on this. Boeser is not worth 8 o/a. If we could work in Horvat and Virtanen instead I would be up for that. Boeser is a nice player, but for 8 o/a I want a legit 2C or at least a play driving, puck carrying winger. Marner, Johnny hockey, Huberdeau, etc


In this particular trade 8 OA got Buffalo Boeser and Juolevi, and Risto brought in Sutter and a 3rd - Sutter gives you a possible 2 C for the year while Cozens continues to grow to develop
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11 juill. 2020 à 12 h 27
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In this particular trade 8 OA got Buffalo Boeser and Juolevi, and Risto brought in Sutter and a 3rd - Sutter gives you a possible 2 C for the year while Cozens continues to grow to develop


I would rather force Cozens at 2C or play Johannson there again before putting Suter there. This is player I have no interest in unless we are getting additional return to take his cap hit. Juolevi is not a large add. I realize he was a high pick but has been largely disappointing. Sabres have 3 left D prospects in the system now that they would probably value similarly or much more highly.
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11 juill. 2020 à 12 h 47
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give risto a rest man, he's awful and the leafs are better with Holl as their 1RD
11 juill. 2020 à 12 h 53
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give risto a rest man, he's awful and the leafs are better with Holl as their 1RD


Except niether statement is true , Risto will look good with Muzzin, Holl is better suited on the 3rd pairing with either Dermott or Sandin and Lehtonen plays with Rielly
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11 juill. 2020 à 12 h 59
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Except niether statement is true , Risto will look good with Muzzin, Holl is better suited on the 3rd pairing with either Dermott or Sandin and Lehtonen plays with Rielly


except that isnt true at all, Risto would look like trash with everyone because he cant do anything outside the other teams blue line and even there he cant prevent breakouts. Holl is better suited to literally everything that isnt being a pointshot anchor on the power play. Risto is bad, very bad, like bottom of the NHL in defence bad.
11 juill. 2020 à 13 h 32
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11 juill. 2020 à 15 h 20
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8OA is a non-starter in a Boeser trade; he's not a 2C. Not to mention we are taking a cap dump in Sutter.

I'd do Risto, 2020 2nd, and mid-tier prospect for Boeser and Sutter. We'd clear up about 5mil in cap space for you thus being part what you receive.
11 juill. 2020 à 16 h 21
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Detroit accepts


Detroit would decline. During a rising cap taking on 1 very bad contract that return looks like enough--but this is not a normal year as there will be numerous sellers of bad contracts and sellers are going to have to raise their premiums. Add-in throwing in Baertschi and they wouldn't for sure.

Cap space over the next 3 years is going to be very important not only for acquiring bad contracts, but also paying UFA and getting their RFA signed. Detroit is in a great position cap-wise. Stevie Y won't squander it on 2 more years of a Justin Abdelkader clone when the Coyotes are looking to unload Stepan. Then there's Tampa and Johnson, Killorn, Palat, or Gourde--one of them has to waive their NTC and be moved or buyouts will be necessary--in order to re-sign RFA's like Cirelli and Sergachev.
11 juill. 2020 à 16 h 58
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Detroit would decline. During a rising cap taking on 1 very bad contract that return looks like enough--but this is not a normal year as there will be numerous sellers of bad contracts and sellers are going to have to raise their premiums. Add-in throwing in Baertschi and they wouldn't for sure.

Cap space over the next 3 years is going to be very important not only for acquiring bad contracts, but also paying UFA and getting their RFA signed. Detroit is in a great position cap-wise. Stevie Y won't squander it on 2 more years of a Justin Abdelkader clone when the Coyotes are looking to unload Stepan. Then there's Tampa and Johnson, Killorn, Palat, or Gourde--one of them has to waive their NTC and be moved or buyouts will be necessary--in order to re-sign RFA's like Cirelli and Sergachev.


Disagree, it's 1 year if Sven and 2 years of Loui, they have plenty of cap space and getting the 8th overall pick (holtz, askarov, Rossi, perfetti, Sanderson) for taking those contracts is well worth it
11 juill. 2020 à 17 h 40
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Disagree, it's 1 year if Sven and 2 years of Loui, they have plenty of cap space and getting the 8th overall pick (holtz, askarov, Rossi, perfetti, Sanderson) for taking those contracts is well worth it


It's not the cap space: it's the taking of those contracts--when others out there are available and will actually help the team---at those prices. It's going to be a buyers market for bad contracts as there will be 4 teams that take them on (Detroit, Ottawa, LA, and NJ with a 5th in Colorado willing to take on 1 year deals---that's pretty much it). Compare that to the number of sellers with 5 teams desperate (Tampa, St. Louis,Toronto, Chicago, and Arizona) to sell so they don't have to mess with non-compliance buyouts. Now add in the fact the cap will remain flat unlike the past and the premiums these sellers have to pay will rise. I don't think you are taking that into account. In other words: Detroit can get a better player with approx the same return.

Fans of sellers aren't going to like getting pennies on the dollar or having to part with higher draft picks but that is where the market will be considering the flat cap for the next few years.
11 juill. 2020 à 17 h 57
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It's not the cap space: it's the taking of those contracts--when others out there are available and will actually help the team---at those prices. It's going to be a buyers market for bad contracts as there will be 4 teams that take them on (Detroit, Ottawa, LA, and NJ with a 5th in Colorado willing to take on 1 year deals---that's pretty much it). Compare that to the number of sellers with 5 teams desperate (Tampa, St. Louis,Toronto, Chicago, and Arizona) to sell so they don't have to mess with non-compliance buyouts. Now add in the fact the cap will remain flat unlike the past and the premiums these sellers have to pay will rise. I don't think you are taking that into account. In other words: Detroit can get a better player with approx the same return.

Fans of sellers aren't going to like getting pennies on the dollar or having to part with higher draft picks but that is where the market will be considering the flat cap for the next few years.


4 out of the 5 teams you listed there don't really have any "bad" contracts - they all just need to move either a final year contract or a good NHL player they just can't afford - there's a massive difference between moving say Johnsson and Eriksson, Chicago would like to move on from Seabrook but have no pressing need to do so this season, the Eriksson's and Ladd's will be costly to move 8 OA is an incredibly high price, the Steen's of the league a mid 1st to mid 2nd will probably get it done, the still useful NHL players (luxuries to playoff teams) will just be sold below market value they won't actually cost anything to move
11 juill. 2020 à 18 h 19
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4 out of the 5 teams you listed there don't really have any "bad" contracts - they all just need to move either a final year contract or a good NHL player they just can't afford - there's a massive difference between moving say Johnsson and Eriksson, Chicago would like to move on from Seabrook but have no pressing need to do so this season, the Eriksson's and Ladd's will be costly to move 8 OA is an incredibly high price, the Steen's of the league a mid 1st to mid 2nd will probably get it done, the still useful NHL players (luxuries to playoff teams) will just be sold below market value they won't actually cost anything to move

Tampa--Gourde (2nd line dollars playing bottom 6 with a NTC)
Zona--Phil Kessel (enough said)
Chicago--Seabrook (just ugly dollars left)
Toronto--Marner (almost a million per goal. numerous articles about how disastrous that contract was)
St. Louis is the outlier with a top UFA to sign but it's easy to see that Allen is the contract the Blues must move to make cap room

So there are 4 of 5 with "bad" contracts. Bad being contracts that hinder the team from signing RFA they need to or keeping their own UFA's.

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Chicago would like to move on from Seabrook but have no pressing need to do so this season

Hmmm..re-signing rookie 30 goal scorer Dominik Kubalik and Dylan Strome, plus the Blackhawks don’t have a goalie signed says otherwise. Or would another team throwing a mid level offer sheet of 4.226M for only a 2nd rounder do the trick when the Hawks have 7.35M left in cap space and 5 players to sign including a starting goalie.

Playoff teams are not able to take on any salaries (minus Colorado) and re-sign their own players. Don't just look at dollars below the cap next year. Look at what they need (like starting goalies) , how many more contract they will need (good luck trying to play a squeezed schedule with 21 bodies), and when their RFA become due for significant raises.

Very useful players being moved for nothing will become the norm...started last year with PK Subban to NJD for 2x 2nd rounders and that was during a $2M rising cap...now not the same. Many GM's signed long term deals with players expecting a rising cap every year where those contracts would eventually look good.

Add in the fact that the new CBA means players can keep their NTC intact when they are traded means a guy like Subban would have had a right of refusal and it even more difficult to trade big dollar value contracts.
11 juill. 2020 à 18 h 53
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Tampa--Gourde (2nd line dollars playing bottom 6 with a NTC)
Zona--Phil Kessel (enough said)
Chicago--Seabrook (just ugly dollars left)
Toronto--Marner (almost a million per goal. numerous articles about how disastrous that contract was)
St. Louis is the outlier with a top UFA to sign but it's easy to see that Allen is the contract the Blues must move to make cap room

So there are 4 of 5 with "bad" contracts. Bad being contracts that hinder the team from signing RFA they need to or keeping their own UFA's.

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Chicago would like to move on from Seabrook but have no pressing need to do so this season

Hmmm..re-signing rookie 30 goal scorer Dominik Kubalik and Dylan Strome, plus the Blackhawks don’t have a goalie signed says otherwise. Or would another team throwing a mid level offer sheet of 4.226M for only a 2nd rounder do the trick when the Hawks have 7.35M left in cap space and 5 players to sign including a starting goalie.

Playoff teams are not able to take on any salaries (minus Colorado) and re-sign their own players. Don't just look at dollars below the cap next year. Look at what they need (like starting goalies) , how many more contract they will need (good luck trying to play a squeezed schedule with 21 bodies), and when their RFA become due for significant raises.

Very useful players being moved for nothing will become the norm...started last year with PK Subban to NJD for 2x 2nd rounders and that was during a $2M rising cap...now not the same. Many GM's signed long term deals with players expecting a rising cap every year where those contracts would eventually look good.

Add in the fact that the new CBA means players can keep their NTC intact when they are traded means a guy like Subban would have had a right of refusal and it even more difficult to trade big dollar value contracts.


Lol Marner eh? I get it he's Overpaid but he's not dead money - there's no world where the Leafs "pay" to move Marner.

Gourde? Yup hard to move due to contract but he's still a 50 pt F who plays all 3 positions he's about a million Overpaid

These are not dead money contracts, Hell Gourde would be the wings best F
11 juill. 2020 à 20 h 0
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Lol Marner eh? I get it he's Overpaid but he's not dead money - there's no world where the Leafs "pay" to move Marner.

Gourde? Yup hard to move due to contract but he's still a 50 pt F who plays all 3 positions he's about a million Overpaid

These are not dead money contracts, Hell Gourde would be the wings best F

Call it what you will but those contracts will prevent the team from being able to re-sign their own RFA's and UFA's and certainly won't allow them to go into UFA and get better.

A million overpaid on a normal team is not the same as a cap maxed team with other NTC's that has Cirelli and Sergachev to sign. Normally, a good RFA won't ever make it to open market---but Tampa has 5 of its top 7 paid forwards with NTC/NMC's and the other two are Brayden Point and Kucherov. So they can't even move money if they found a taker as Gourde has a full NTC so even if you wanted to trade him you couldn't without his permission. And with the new CBA the new team he gets traded to has to honor the clause going forward unlike before. That's when other GM's pounce to pick apart or drive the price of a RFA upward.

Gourde is not better than Mantha or Larkin or Zadina or Bertuzzi or even Fabbri. Yet, he is getting paid better than all but Larkin--and he's within a few 100k of him.

Toronto is in serious cap trouble. Their LTIR exceptions are expiring. Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Nylander account for 40.489M of an 81.5M cap that isn't going to go up for the next 2 years at least. Dubas signed Tavares after the cap went as followed $71.4 million to $73 million to $75 million to $79.5 million. He came as an UFA and signed with his "hometown team." Dubas was expecting a rising cap to make the contract look okay same as Marner. Tavares was given a NMC. No UFA would even trust Dubas again if he asked him to waive it. So he's not leaving. Matthews--nope. That leaves Marner and Nylander. And I don't think any of them move either. Free agents Tyson Barrie and Cody Ceci will walk, the Leafs still won't have enough space to acquire a solid RHD (let alone 2 to replace what they are losing). I think they will count on rookie and ELC guys like Rasmus Sandin, Timothy Liljegren, Teemu Kivihalme and Calle Rosen to fill the spots---as if their defense wasn't disastrous enough already (now they will essentially count on young d-men) . But that still isn't going to be enough so they'll have to look at moving a couple pieces. They would want to move: Alexander Kerfoot (a 26 year old to be 15-20 goal scorer with 3 yrs @ 3.5M left) or Kasperi Kapanen (24 in a few days 20 goal pace seems his plateau with 2 yrs @ 3.2M left), or Andreas Johnsson (speedster, offensively-skilled, yet wildly insistent 26 yr old with 3 yrs @3.4M left). Then they'll acquire a LTIR contract like Zetterberg to gain free cap replacement space when the 10% overage teams can use in the offseason begins.
My issue with that is what team with cap room wants a 2nd/3rd line guy that they will have to pay even a 2nd for when other teams will be offering players like Stephan and a sweetener draft pick/prospect to take on that contract?

How many teams can take on anything in the 3-3.5M range and still sign their own RFA and UFA's? It like trade deadline when you hear about being a buyers market.

Fans here are still living in growing cap world. Not COVID flat cap world where players coming off ELC's will take the teams to arbitration and point to the guy last year with the same cap space coming off his ELC and say he got this (when the GM's thought there would be a rising cap) so I deserve this. Where GM's will then have to dump players to accept the arbitration awards or lose the young players for nothing. And a frozen free agent market because teams need to reserve cap space for arbitrator's decisions.

In short NHL GM's didn't plan for a non-moving cap over at least a 2 year stretch. Those teams that are lucky enough to have ample cap space are going to weaponize it--not bail the other GM's out with it.
11 juill. 2020 à 20 h 15
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Call it what you will but those contracts will prevent the team from being able to re-sign their own RFA's and UFA's and certainly won't allow them to go into UFA and get better.

A million overpaid on a normal team is not the same as a cap maxed team with other NTC's that has Cirelli and Sergachev to sign. Normally, a good RFA won't ever make it to open market---but Tampa has 5 of its top 7 paid forwards with NTC/NMC's and the other two are Brayden Point and Kucherov. So they can't even move money if they found a taker as Gourde has a full NTC so even if you wanted to trade him you couldn't without his permission. And with the new CBA the new team he gets traded to has to honor the clause going forward unlike before. That's when other GM's pounce to pick apart or drive the price of a RFA upward.

Gourde is not better than Mantha or Larkin or Zadina or Bertuzzi or even Fabbri. Yet, he is getting paid better than all but Larkin--and he's within a few 100k of him.

Toronto is in serious cap trouble. Their LTIR exceptions are expiring. Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Nylander account for 40.489M of an 81.5M cap that isn't going to go up for the next 2 years at least. Dubas signed Tavares after the cap went as followed $71.4 million to $73 million to $75 million to $79.5 million. He came as an UFA and signed with his "hometown team." Dubas was expecting a rising cap to make the contract look okay same as Marner. Tavares was given a NMC. No UFA would even trust Dubas again if he asked him to waive it. So he's not leaving. Matthews--nope. That leaves Marner and Nylander. And I don't think any of them move either. Free agents Tyson Barrie and Cody Ceci will walk, the Leafs still won't have enough space to acquire a solid RHD (let alone 2 to replace what they are losing). I think they will count on rookie and ELC guys like Rasmus Sandin, Timothy Liljegren, Teemu Kivihalme and Calle Rosen to fill the spots---as if their defense wasn't disastrous enough already (now they will essentially count on young d-men) . But that still isn't going to be enough so they'll have to look at moving a couple pieces. They would want to move: Alexander Kerfoot (a 26 year old to be 15-20 goal scorer with 3 yrs @ 3.5M left) or Kasperi Kapanen (24 in a few days 20 goal pace seems his plateau with 2 yrs @ 3.2M left), or Andreas Johnsson (speedster, offensively-skilled, yet wildly insistent 26 yr old with 3 yrs @3.4M left). Then they'll acquire a LTIR contract like Zetterberg to gain free cap replacement space when the 10% overage teams can use in the offseason begins.
My issue with that is what team with cap room wants a 2nd/3rd line guy that they will have to pay even a 2nd for when other teams will be offering players like Stephan and a sweetener draft pick/prospect to take on that contract?

How many teams can take on anything in the 3-3.5M range and still sign their own RFA and UFA's? It like trade deadline when you hear about being a buyers market.

Fans here are still living in growing cap world. Not COVID flat cap world where players coming off ELC's will take the teams to arbitration and point to the guy last year with the same cap space coming off his ELC and say he got this (when the GM's thought there would be a rising cap) so I deserve this. Where GM's will then have to dump players to accept the arbitration awards or lose the young players for nothing. And a frozen free agent market because teams need to reserve cap space for arbitrator's decisions.

In short NHL GM's didn't plan for a non-moving cap over at least a 2 year stretch. Those teams that are lucky enough to have ample cap space are going to weaponize it--not bail the other GM's out with it.


Dude you're vastly exaggerating the cap situation in TO
11 juill. 2020 à 21 h 21
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Dude you're vastly exaggerating the cap situation in TO

Nope.

$76,908,533 spent. 81.5M cap. UFA's: LW Kyle Clifford, C Jason Spezza, RD Codi Ceci, RD Tyson Barrie. RFA's: Teemu Kivihalme, Frédérik Gauthier, and Travis Dermott are the ones you have to re-sign but they also have: Denis Malgin, , Jeremy Bracco,

16 contracts so you need minimum of 6 players @ 4.591M to spend unless you acquire a LTIR.

Liljegren makes 0.863M so down to 3.728M and 5 to go. Say Spezza/another veteran signs for minimum salary of 750k that is 4 to go with 2.978. League minimum is 0.75 so can't do 4 of them with only 2.978. So now your roster is down to 21 players.

Options: Nicholas Robertson (850k but 19 and coming from the OHL), Yegor Korshkov (925k),

and did I mention you have to sign RFA's: Teemu Kivihalme ($792,500 last year), Frédérik Gauthier (below league minimum now), and Travis Dermott ($863,333)?

A $1,395,052 offer sheet requires no compensation so figure 1.395 is the minimum Dermott gets. A 4th line center figure 850k for Gauthier.

That leaves s for a total 733k so can't sign anyone and the team is shorthanded all season with only 20 players during a compressed schedule and your defense got worse.

Wanna bet they trade for a LTIR or move out a player for more cap room?

Prove me wrong show me the numbers.
 
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