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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 10 juill. 2020
Publié: 11 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 000 000 $
1750 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya
21 500 000 $
Strome, Ryan
35 000 000 $
Gorgiev, Alexandar
21 650 000 $
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  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
NYR
  1. Hyman, Zach
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
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Leafs retain $2.5m in salary for x2 years
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2181 500 000 $81 821 450 $0 $0 $-321 450 $
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925 000 $925 000 $
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
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Mikheyev, Ilya
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
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NMC
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
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821 667 $821 667 $
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Strome, Ryan
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 23
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realities of no thank you

Rielly aint going anywhere. He had a bad season it happens. Fully expect him to bounce back next season. Dumba is not the solution for the leafs he is just rielly but on the right side.
Carter isnt retiring. He will be back next season as he stated he plans to play out his contract.
Strome without Panarin is gonna make leafs go we gave Hyman for this. Pass.
Hyman wont be moved. 2.25 mill and had 21 goals. Pass.
Also Demelo will get more.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 23
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Why did you trade Rielly for Dumba?
The Leafs dont need 3 goalies
Whys Jeff Carter on LTIR?
Demelo will sign for more than 2 mill
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 28
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11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 33
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Modifié 11 juill. 2020 à 2 h 5
What are these trades?

Reilly >> Dumba

NYR reject easily.

Also DeMelo at 2M?
BStinson a aimé ceci.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 37
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tbh, I doubt Rangers trade Strome or Georgiev or a 1st for that package. much less all 3 lol.

I wish Ranger fans valued their assets as highly as Leafs fans. It'd make things a lot easier.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 50
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Quoting: Sagecoll
tbh, I doubt Rangers trade Strome or Georgiev or a 1st for that package. much less all 3 lol.

I wish Ranger fans valued their assets as highly as Leafs fans. It'd make things a lot easier.


I agree with ya there. That package is too much for those guys.
11 juill. 2020 à 2 h 8
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tbh, I doubt Rangers trade Strome or Georgiev or a 1st for that package. much less all 3 lol.

I wish Ranger fans valued their assets as highly as Leafs fans. It'd make things a lot easier.


Rangers fans value their assets just as highly as Leafs fans.

This guy is obviously not a Rangers fan as this is way too much to give up.

Not trading Strome for this package is kinda ridiculous though. I wouldn't do Hyman for Strome 1 for 1.

Strome's stats are hyperinflated by Panarin and he's gonna get paid out huge in arbitration.
11 juill. 2020 à 2 h 12
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11 juill. 2020 à 2 h 23
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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
I agree with ya there. That package is too much for those guys.


While Hyman has a lot of value I agree that's to much. If dubas traded Hyman a Coleman return would be expected
11 juill. 2020 à 5 h 27
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In which world is Dumba worth more than Rielly. Dumba is the 3rd best D on the Wild roster.

And no way the Leafs would part ways with Hyman. He is the most consistent player on the roster. Also, the Rangers would not give up that much
11 juill. 2020 à 11 h 29
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Engvall = 48 NHL games
Mikheyev = 39 NHL games
Barabanov = 0 NHL games
Robertson = 0 NHL games

You're gonna trade away Hyman, Johnsson and Kerfoot to have THAT left side?!?

I bet De Melo gets closer to $4 million than $2 million
11 juill. 2020 à 12 h 56
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Quoting: aadoyle
realities of no thank you

Rielly aint going anywhere. He had a bad season it happens. Fully expect him to bounce back next season. Dumba is not the solution for the leafs he is just rielly but on the right side.
Carter isnt retiring. He will be back next season as he stated he plans to play out his contract.
Strome without Panarin is gonna make leafs go we gave Hyman for this. Pass.
Hyman wont be moved. 2.25 mill and had 21 goals. Pass.
Also Demelo will get more.


Carter's health isn't certain...and remains to be seen whether he 'could' be a valuable LTIR.
Don't disagree that Demelo might command more...but that remains to be seen
Off course Rielly is valuable...just saying that he should be considered in exchange for the 'right piece'. No such thing as 'sentimentality' for those who seek to win.
Same applies to Hyman. Nice guy but he arguably has more value as trade chip. ..and, when he comes off current AAV, Leafs can't afford a high-priced LW with specialized skill set - given less expensive alternatives on LW... and in light of flat cap. There is argument for Leafs seeking to realize some of that value in a trade to fill obvious depth issues.
As for Rangers, there is a trade to be made there somewhere...just saying
If you're not open to ALL options...and are sentimental...you'll never make a real GM...
11 juill. 2020 à 13 h 8
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Rangers fans value their assets just as highly as Leafs fans.

This guy is obviously not a Rangers fan as this is way too much to give up.

Not trading Strome for this package is kinda ridiculous though. I wouldn't do Hyman for Strome 1 for 1.

Strome's stats are hyperinflated by Panarin and he's gonna get paid out huge in arbitration.


Just saying Leafs have a lot of pieces that could be of use to Rangers ...and Rangers have a few that could be of interest to Leafs. Their two GMs should be talking...
11 juill. 2020 à 13 h 19
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
In which world is Dumba worth more than Rielly. Dumba is the 3rd best D on the Wild roster.

And no way the Leafs would part ways with Hyman. He is the most consistent player on the roster. Also, the Rangers would not give up that much


Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
In which world is Dumba worth more than Rielly. Dumba is the 3rd best D on the Wild roster.

And no way the Leafs would part ways with Hyman. He is the most consistent player on the roster. Also, the Rangers would not give up that much


Imo, Dumba is a total star and emulates much of what Dubas seeks to champion. No disrespect to Riells...but Leafs have plenty of strength on LD that has capacity for growth (i.e.Sandin). As for Hyman, I too would keep him in some utopian world of expanding cap, ...but his specialized skill set is not worth penny more than his current $2.25m AAV - at least not on Leafs. Leafs must improve... if they wish to win...and neither Riells or Hyman have significant upside.
11 juill. 2020 à 13 h 27
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Imo, Dumba is a total star and emulates much of what Dubas seeks to champion. No disrespect to Riells...but Leafs have plenty of strength on LD that has capacity for growth (i.e.Sandin). As for Hyman, I too would keep him in some utopian world of expanding cap, ...but his specialized skill set is not worth penny more than his current $2.25m AAV - at least not on Leafs. Leafs must improve... if they wish to win...and neither Riells or Hyman have significant upside.


Well if Dumba would be such a star, he should at least be better than Suter and Brodin in Minnesota. Also, Dumba has a higher cap hit than Rielly. And never underestimate Hyman. He is a real winner. Coaches kill to get guys like Hyman. He is setting the standard for every dressing room he is walking in in terms of work ethic. Even in the whole Marner - Babcock relationship where Marner had to list the players in terms of attitude, you can assue Hyman was the one ranked highest.
11 juill. 2020 à 13 h 30
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Engvall = 48 NHL games
Mikheyev = 39 NHL games
Barabanov = 0 NHL games
Robertson = 0 NHL games

You're gonna trade away Hyman, Johnsson and Kerfoot to have THAT left side?!?

I bet De Melo gets closer to $4 million than $2 million


Damn right I'd like that left side! I'm both a Marlies and a Petes subscriber and have watched both the "Giraffe" and also Nick. Confess to not knowing anything about "Barb"...but, like all Leafs fans, I've watched both Johnsson and also Kerfoot...and, without disrespect to either, think that both positions can be improved on....

As for Demelo, I don't disagree that he might command higher $...but so many teams are constrained by their existing payrolls and few can offer increases without giving up existing pieces. We'll see. It was the expanding cap that was enabling creeping salary increases...
11 juill. 2020 à 13 h 40
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
Well if Dumba would be such a star, he should at least be better than Suter and Brodin in Minnesota. Also, Dumba has a higher cap hit than Rielly. And never underestimate Hyman. He is a real winner. Coaches kill to get guys like Hyman. He is setting the standard for every dressing room he is walking in in terms of work ethic. Even in the whole Marner - Babcock relationship where Marner had to list the players in terms of attitude, you can assue Hyman was the one ranked highest.


We clearly don't share similar opinions.
As for Babs, now that he has left TO, and no longer needs to ingratiate himself with Tannenbaum(?), it will be interesting to see whether he continues to voice same views. Don't get me wrong, Zach is a good kid...who works hard...but he is 28...his offensive skills are capped out ...and his 'days of privilege' playing with some of NHL's most elite talent...can no longer be indulged...at least in a flat cap universe.
11 juill. 2020 à 13 h 44
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Quoting: borealis
We clearly don't share similar opinions.
As for Babs, now that he has left TO, and no longer needs to ingratiate himself with Tannenbaum(?), it will be interesting to see whether he continues to voice same views. Don't get me wrong, Zach is a good kid...who works hard...but he is 28...his offensive skills are capped out ...and his 'days of privilege' playing with some of NHL's most elite talent...can no longer be indulged...at least in a flat cap universe.


21 goals in 51 games is not bad I think.


“Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.”

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11 juill. 2020 à 17 h 51
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
In which world is Dumba worth more than Rielly. Dumba is the 3rd best D on the Wild roster.

And no way the Leafs would part ways with Hyman. He is the most consistent player on the roster. Also, the Rangers would not give up that much


Now that Babs/LT relationship is no longer relevant(?), what is purpose in continuing to tout Hyman ...for an AAV cost of x3 depth players? (see: Toronto Star ROBERT CRIBB INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER Thu., Sept. 16, 2010)
11 juill. 2020 à 18 h 2
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Quoting: borealis
Now that Babs/LT relationship is no longer relevant(?), what is purpose in continuing to tout Hyman ...for an AAV cost of x3 depth players? (see: Toronto Star ROBERT CRIBB INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER Thu., Sept. 16, 2010)


Maybe because Hyman is worth the money. Montreal had only two players who scored more goals than Hyman. One goal more than Hyman did. One of them played 8 games more than him and the other one 18 games more.
11 juill. 2020 à 20 h 19
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
Maybe because Hyman is worth the money. Montreal had only two players who scored more goals than Hyman. One goal more than Hyman did. One of them played 8 games more than him and the other one 18 games more.


Have to believe that Lou negotiated ZH's salary...and held opinion that ZH was not worth a penny more. Imo, Hyman's points are attributable to the quality of his linemates ...and Lou would have paid for his 'special skills'...and not because of any offensive acumen. Next year ZH will be 29 ...which, as I am given to understand, is the generally regarded physical peak of most athletes. Just saying...
12 juill. 2020 à 4 h 19
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"realities of Flat cap"- let's overpay the guy carried by one of the best players in the NHL.
12 juill. 2020 à 11 h 9
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"realities of Flat cap"- let's overpay the guy carried by one of the best players in the NHL.


Special teams players serve a role ...and shouldn't be overpaid....
14 juill. 2020 à 1 h 49
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Special teams players serve a role ...and shouldn't be overpaid....


What? I'm saying you overpaid Strome.
 
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