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Équipe: 2020-21 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 10 juill. 2020
Publié: 10 juill. 2020
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10 juill. 2020 à 22 h 35
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ooof. Not even in the parking lot. Much less the ballpark on that Georgiev deal.
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10 juill. 2020 à 22 h 38
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That's A LOT for 2 years of Gaudreau. Take out the 1st and it's more fair.
10 juill. 2020 à 22 h 52
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That's A LOT for 2 years of Gaudreau. Take out the 1st and it's more fair.


Gaudreau would 100% resign with Philly and probably at a discount if he was traded there so no it's actually not enough. They would probably be looking at at least 6 years of Gaudreau who is an elite talent. The 1st is in the range of late 20's too. Do you think that package is enough to get Marner (neglecting cap)?
10 juill. 2020 à 23 h 28
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Gaudreau would 100% resign with Philly and probably at a discount if he was traded there so no it's actually not enough. They would probably be looking at at least 6 years of Gaudreau who is an elite talent. The 1st is in the range of late 20's too. Do you think that package is enough to get Marner (neglecting cap)?


I'd say that's a pretty fair package for Marner. I don't think you can neglect cap value in these trades especially with the cap likely staying flat for the next 3-4 years.

Now if Gaudreau was signed for 1M for the next 2 years then this would be a fair deal but he's not.

Also I don't know how you can say that he will 100% resign with Philly. What if New Jersey sends him a big offer? They have a lot of cap space... and what players are taking discounts these days especially with a lot of their money being lost to escrow.
10 juill. 2020 à 23 h 37
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I'd say that's a pretty fair package for Marner. I don't think you can neglect cap value in these trades especially with the cap likely staying flat for the next 3-4 years.

Now if Gaudreau was signed for 1M for the next 2 years then this would be a fair deal but he's not.

Also I don't know how you can say that he will 100% resign with Philly. What if New Jersey sends him a big offer? They have a lot of cap space... and what players are taking discounts these days especially with a lot of their money being lost to escrow.


Gaudreau grew up just outside of Philly as a big Flyers fan, and not a Devils fan. Why would he sign with New Jersey?
10 juill. 2020 à 23 h 42
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Gaudreau grew up just outside of Philly as a big Flyers fan, and not a Devils fan. Why would he sign with New Jersey?


I mean if one team offers you a million more over 7 years. Would you throw 7M dollars down the toilet?

He just uses van Riemsdyk as a comparable and then he gets 9M+.

He's not an RFA. There is no guarantee he resigns. Maybe they throw you a conditional 1st if he re-signs but they definitely don't give it straight up.
10 juill. 2020 à 23 h 57
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That's A LOT for 2 years of Gaudreau. Take out the 1st and it's more fair.


lol wat da fuq?

People pay a **** of a lot more than that to rent lesser players for 2-3 months at the deadline.
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11 juill. 2020 à 0 h 30
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lol wat da fuq?

People pay a **** of a lot more than that to rent lesser players for 2-3 months at the deadline.


Do you know who Frost is? Honestly...

Why wouldn't the Flyers just sign Hall themselves instead?
11 juill. 2020 à 0 h 40
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Do you know who Frost is? Honestly...

Why wouldn't the Flyers just sign Hall themselves instead?


No never heard of him, just start watching hockey 5 minutes ago.

Maybe you should google Johnny Gaudreau and do some research. Two years of that guy is worth more than one prospect and a 2nd round pick. Since when does a perennial all star get traded for one prospect and a 2nd round pick? Jesus....
11 juill. 2020 à 0 h 43
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That's A LOT for 2 years of Gaudreau. Take out the 1st and it's more fair.


Are you kidding me? Blake coleman went for a 1st rounder and a late 1st prospect. Add another first and we'll talk.
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11 juill. 2020 à 0 h 48
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Are you kidding me? Blake coleman went for a 1st rounder and a late 1st prospect. Add another first and we'll talk.


LOL. People always use the Coleman and Goodrow trades. Those trades were trash for Tampa and they only did them because they wanted to improve the team but had no cap space.

Man and I thought Leafs fans overvalued their players.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 0
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LOL. People always use the Coleman and Goodrow trades. Those trades were trash for Tampa and they only did them because they wanted to improve the team but had no cap space.

Man and I thought Leafs fans overvalued their players.


LOL im confused, are you talking about your self? Since you're a leafs, And , a sens fan?

What about the Jt miller trade or matt duchene...no where near the point totals of gaudreau and even he pulled in 2 1st rdrs...he's a center blah blah blah... JG is capable of putting up 90+ points per szn. He's not going to come cheap even if its for 2 years...with a hella cheap contract...
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 0
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LOL. People always use the Coleman and Goodrow trades. Those trades were trash for Tampa and they only did them because they wanted to improve the team but had no cap space.

Man and I thought Leafs fans overvalued their players.


Of course people bring them up, because they are actual trades made by NHL execs and are a legitimate comparable. But because they show just how wrong you are, you dismiss them. Shocking.

"Oh those don't count because they were trash trades!"

LOL

Johnny would fetch a hell of a lot more than those two players did.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 4
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LOL im confused, are you talking about your self? Since you're a leafs, And , a sens fan?

What about the Jt miller trade or matt duchene...no where near the point totals of gaudreau and even he pulled in 2 1st rdrs...he's a center blah blah blah... JG is capable of putting up 90+ points per szn. He's not going to come cheap even if its for 2 years...with a hella cheap contract...


Did JT Miller or Matt Duchene pull back a Frost calibre player?

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Of course people bring them up, because they are actual trades made by NHL execs and are a legitimate comparable. But because they show just how wrong you are, you dismiss them. Shocking.

"Oh those don't count because they were trash trades!"

LOL

Johnny would fetch a hell of a lot more than those two players did.


Johnny should pull a similar return to Mark Stone.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 9
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Johnny should pull a similar return to Mark Stone.


No, he should pull way more than that.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 10
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Did JT Miller or Matt Duchene pull back a Frost calibre player?



Johnny should pull a similar return to Mark Stone.


Except that he's younger, cheaper and puts up more points than stone.

Yes and while hes a high end prospect he's still unproven. Hes played 20 games!!
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 13
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Except that he's younger, cheaper and puts up more points than stone.

Yes and while hes a high end prospect he's still unproven. Hes played 20 games!!


Stone is the best defensive player in the league. He's much better than Gaudreau.

How many games did Brannstrom play?
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 24
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Stone is the best defensive player in the league. He's much better than Gaudreau.



No, he's not "much better than Gaudreau".

He's better defensively, sure I can agree to that, but Gaudreau is an elite offensive player and on another level than Stone is.

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Between 2016 and 2019 Gaudreau placed 5th in the league amongst forwards in 5 on 5 scoring rate (2.58/60). The top 10 is:

Mcdavid
Kucherov
Marchand
Matthews
Gaudreau
Malkin
Kane
Crosby
Panarin
Guentzal

During the same time period only one player in the entire league was in on a higher percentage of his teams on ice 5 on 5 points and that was Mcdavid.


Also, the Senators had about 5 minutes to trade Stone before the deadline passed and then they were going to lose him for sweet **** all. The Flames have 2 years to trade Gaudreau, so they won't be settling for a package that small, or they will just keep him. Also, Vegas traded for Stone and then immediately had to sign him to an extension that paid him an AAV of $9.5 million. Gaudreau is locked in for two more years @ a mere $6.75 million. That is a friggin bargain for a player of his caliber. Players as good as he is get signed to $10 million + AAV contracts nowadays. That has HUGE value in a league that just announced a FLAT CAP for two more seasons.

That Stone deal is not a comparable at all and should be just the tip of the ice berg if Gaudreau is dealt.

For crap sakes Pacioretty got traded for Nick Suzuki, Tomas Tatar and a 2nd, Gaudreau's return should DWARF that.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 29
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No, he's not "much better than Gaudreau".

He's better defensively, sure I can agree to that, but Gaudreau is an elite offensive player and on another level than Stone is.

Quote:
Between 2016 and 2019 Gaudreau placed 5th in the league amongst forwards in 5 on 5 scoring rate (2.58/60). The top 10 is:

Mcdavid
Kucherov
Marchand
Matthews
Gaudreau
Malkin
Kane
Crosby
Panarin
Guentzal

During the same time period only one player in the entire league was in on a higher percentage of his teams on ice 5 on 5 points and that was Mcdavid.


Also, the Senators had about 5 minutes to trade Stone before the deadline passed and then they were going to lose him for sweet **** all. The Flames have 2 years to trade Gaudreau, so they won't be settling for a package that small, or they will just keep him. Also, Vegas traded for Stone and then immediately had to sign him to an extension that paid him an AAV of $9.5 million. Gaudreau is locked in for two more years @ a mere $6.75 million. That is a friggin bargain for a player of his caliber. Players as good as he is get signed to $10 million + AAV contracts nowadays. That has HUGE value in a league that just announced a FLAT CAP for two more seasons.

That Stone deal is not a comparable at all and should be just the tip of the ice berg if Gaudreau is dealt.

For crap sakes Pacioretty got traded for Nick Suzuki, Tomas Tatar and a 2nd, Gaudreau's return should DWARF that.


Looks like you won't be convinced. If that's the ask the Flames are keeping Gaudreau.

These stats don't mean much. Tkachuk is a much more valuable player than Gaudreau and he's not even on the list.
11 juill. 2020 à 1 h 35
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Looks like you won't be convinced. If that's the ask the Flames are keeping Gaudreau.

These stats don't mean much. Tkachuk is a much more valuable player than Gaudreau and he's not even on the list.


Oh for gods sake what a cop out. Can you not just admit that everything I just said makes a crap ton of sense? Why is it so hard for people on the internet to make a concession?

Of course those stats don't mean much to you, they blow a hole right through your argument without breaking a sweat, so of course you'd dismiss them.
11 juill. 2020 à 2 h 4
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Oh for gods sake what a cop out. Can you not just admit that everything I just said makes a crap ton of sense? Why is it so hard for people on the internet to make a concession?

Of course those stats don't mean much to you, they blow a hole right through your argument without breaking a sweat, so of course you'd dismiss them.


Sure you can concede if you want. You didn't blow a hole through anything except common sense.

Stone > Gaudreau. Ask any non Calgary fan who they would rather.

Not only is Stone MUCH better defensively he had more points this season too.

Gaudreau's trade value went down after this season.

Gotta take off the flame coloured glasses.
11 juill. 2020 à 2 h 23
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Sure you can concede if you want. You didn't blow a hole through anything except common sense.

Stone > Gaudreau. Ask any non Calgary fan who they would rather.

Not only is Stone MUCH better defensively he had more points this season too.

Gaudreau's trade value went down after this season.

Gotta take off the flame coloured glasses.


I concede that I'm right, that's all I concede.

Gaudreau had a down year, it happens. He still generated chances like an elite player, and over the last 5 seasons has been by far the better offensive player. I'll take the 5 year sample size over the 5 month sample size, thank you very much.

Gaudreau is worth more than what Stone got in that trade, because the Flames aren't backed into a corner like the Sens were. Give your head a shake and get back to reality.

And anybody who would take Stone @ $9.5 million over Gaudreau @ $6.75 million is an idiot, plain and simple.
 
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