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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 10 juill. 2020
Publié: 10 juill. 2020
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10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 5
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Big Big Big no from Anaheim.
1) Getzlaf is our captain
2) He won’t waive his NTC
3) We wouldn’t retain or even trade him unless it was an overpay
4) This doesn’t help the Ducks at all considering we need top scorers and RHD as we’re giving away a great play maker and a RHD

So again. Big no from Anaheim
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10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 9
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Big Big Big no from Anaheim.
1) Getzlaf is our captain
2) He won’t waive his NTC
3) We wouldn’t retain or even trade him unless it was an overpay
4) This doesn’t help the Ducks at all considering we need top scorers and RHD as we’re giving away a great play maker and a RHD

So again. Big no from Anaheim


I get what your saying here, but Getzlaf is a UFA at the end of the season (a TDL trade is more likely) and Anaheim is in complete denial about a rebuild being the way to go over a retool
10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 10
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Not a whole lot of reason to trade for LD, a couple of 3rd liners and Kap. There's a ton of young players on the Ducks who are going to need more icetime, and this does nothing but a) make the team worse, and b) take away ice time from those guys.
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I get what your saying here, but Getzlaf is a UFA at the end of the season (a TDL trade is more likely) and Anaheim is in complete denial about a rebuild being the way to go over a retool


If we were to trade him we would trade him that assets that would help improve our RHD and scoring. Not mild 2nd 3rd liners
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10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 12
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Quoting: Boomer125
I get what your saying here, but Getzlaf is a UFA at the end of the season (a TDL trade is more likely) and Anaheim is in complete denial about a rebuild being the way to go over a retool


I wouldn't say "denial". The Ducks are quickly putting together a very solid prospect pool.

On top of that, I don't really see a reason why Getzy would agree to waive? He has a ring, couple of gold medals, is the captain, and on top of all of that, he lives in So-Cal with his wife and kids. I can't imagine he'd be fired up to pack them all up, but I could be wrong.
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10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 22
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If we were to trade him we would trade him that assets that would help improve our RHD and scoring. Not mild 2nd 3rd liners


Quoting: Lenny7
I wouldn't say "denial". The Ducks are quickly putting together a very solid prospect pool.

On top of that, I don't really see a reason why Getzy would agree to waive? He has a ring, couple of gold medals, is the captain, and on top of all of that, he lives in So-Cal with his wife and kids. I can't imagine he'd be fired up to pack them all up, but I could be wrong.


It is correct that Anaheim is quickly building up a very nice prospect pool - my point is this - in this particular trade Anaheim is aquiring 4 mid twenties NHL players all entering their prime either signed with term or controlled RFAs for the price of 2 twilight players with no term and on the back end of thier careers - now if Anaheim was serious about a rebuild their stock pile of prospects is still 2 maybe even 3 seasons out - the 4 players aquired fall right in line age and term wise for a rebuilding team. In all honesty this is a very smart trade for Anaheim and very poor asset management from TO
10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 24
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Quoting: Arlotti47
If we were to trade him we would trade him that assets that would help improve our RHD and scoring. Not mild 2nd 3rd liners


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I wouldn't say "denial". The Ducks are quickly putting together a very solid prospect pool.

On top of that, I don't really see a reason why Getzy would agree to waive? He has a ring, couple of gold medals, is the captain, and on top of all of that, he lives in So-Cal with his wife and kids. I can't imagine he'd be fired up to pack them all up, but I could be wrong.


I also agree Getz doesn't waive - I think he should but yes he has his ring he's had a stellar career - if he was to waive and if Anaheim retained 50% the most he'll bring in is a late 1st
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I also agree Getz doesn't waive - I think he should but yes he has his ring he's had a stellar career - if he was to waive and if Anaheim retained 50% the most he'll bring in is a late 1st


Agreed.

The only scenario that I could see, and I can't really see it TBH, is that he waives at the deadline to chase one more, then signs back in Anaheim for a year or two to finish up his career.

Edit: I kind of assume that if Anaheim isn't in it next year though, given that the season is going to likely go well into the summer, that he'd be just as content finishing the year up and not spending the summer getting beat to hell.
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It is correct that Anaheim is quickly building up a very nice prospect pool - my point is this - in this particular trade Anaheim is aquiring 4 mid twenties NHL players all entering their prime either signed with term or controlled RFAs for the price of 2 twilight players with no term and on the back end of thier careers - now if Anaheim was serious about a rebuild their stock pile of prospects is still 2 maybe even 3 seasons out - the 4 players aquired fall right in line age and term wise for a rebuilding team. In all honesty this is a very smart trade for Anaheim and very poor asset management from TO


Manson is 28...I wouldn't exactly say "Twilight".

As for acquiring that many players, all of the sudden in 2021, you've got some combination of (Not actual lines, just breaking them up into 3's for the purpose of this exercise:

Zegras-Silfverbeg-Rakell
Steel-Lundestrom-Comtois
Terry-Heinen-Henrique
Jones-Groulx-Morand
2020 1st rounder, Tracey and then AJ, Kap, Kerfoot.

Not to say that AJ, Kap or Kerfoot aren't better than a number of these players, or that all of these guys will be in the NHL by then, I just don't see why they'd use those spots up for 3 guys that don't put them over the hump.

I'm content to let the kids play, see what they've got, then spend some money on a FA or two after next season when the Getzy contract is reduced (I assume that he'd resign for something like $5x2), the Gudbranson contract is off the books, and the Perry buyout drops off.
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10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 54
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Manson is 28...I wouldn't exactly say "Twilight".

As for acquiring that many players, all of the sudden in 2021, you've got some combination of (Not actual lines, just breaking them up into 3's for the purpose of this exercise:

Zegras-Silfverbeg-Rakell
Steel-Lundestrom-Comtois
Terry-Heinen-Henrique
Jones-Groulx-Morand
2020 1st rounder, Tracey and then AJ, Kap, Kerfoot.

Not to say that AJ, Kap or Kerfoot aren't better than a number of these players, or that all of these guys will be in the NHL by then, I just don't see why they'd use those spots up for 3 guys that don't put them over the hump.

I'm content to let the kids play, see what they've got, then spend some money on a FA or two after next season when the Getzy contract is reduced (I assume that he'd resign for something like $5x2), the Gudbranson contract is off the books, and the Perry buyout drops off.


No one said Anaheim had to keep all 4 players - I'm merely stating what an overpayment this is for TO - Manson will be 29 before the playoffs are done this year he is entering the back quarter of his career much like Jake Muzzin - I do like Manson on the leafs he's just not worth overpaying for that's all
10 juill. 2020 à 15 h 2
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Not a whole lot of reason to trade for LD, a couple of 3rd liners and Kap. There's a ton of young players on the Ducks who are going to need more icetime, and this does nothing but a) make the team worse, and b) take away ice time from those guys.



3rd liners?

Last 2yrs Paces

Getzlaf (34): 19:05toi (2:34pp), 16gls (2pp), 54pts (12pp)
Rakell (26): 18:19toi (2:24pp), 20gls (6pp), 52pts (14pp)
Silfverberg (29): 17:22toi (2:14pp), 27gls (4pp), 48pts (11pp)
Henrique (29): 16:39toi (2:19pp), 24gls (7pp), 46pts (12pp)
Johnsson (25): 14:27toi (1:44pp), 20gls (5pp), 45pts (8pp)
Kapanen (23): 16:14toi (1:01pp), 18gls (1pp), 45pts (3pp)
Kerfoot (25): 14:50toi (1:42pp), 14gls (3pp), 40pts (11pp)
Heinen (24): 14:12toi (1:45pp), 12gl (2pp), 34pts (7pp)
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3rd liners?

Last 2yrs Paces

Getzlaf (34): 19:05toi (2:34pp), 16gls (2pp), 54pts (12pp)
Rakell (26): 18:19toi (2:24pp), 20gls (6pp), 52pts (14pp)
Silfverberg (29): 17:22toi (2:14pp), 27gls (4pp), 48pts (11pp)
Henrique (29): 16:39toi (2:19pp), 24gls (7pp), 46pts (12pp)
Johnsson (25): 14:27toi (1:44pp), 20gls (5pp), 45pts (8pp)
Kapanen (23): 16:14toi (1:01pp), 18gls (1pp), 45pts (3pp)
Kerfoot (25): 14:50toi (1:42pp), 14gls (3pp), 40pts (11pp)
Heinen (24): 14:12toi (1:45pp), 12gl (2pp), 34pts (7pp)


or just Even Strength for simplicity:

Getzlaf (34): 15:52, 14gls, 42pts
Kapanen (23): 13:35, 16gls, 39pts
Johnsson (25): 12:37, 15gls, 38pts
Rakell (26): 15:22, 15gls, 37pts
Silfverberg (29): 13:27, 20gls, 35pts
Henrique (29): 13:29, 17gls, 33pts
Kerfoot (25): 12:58, 11gls, 30pts
Heinen (24): 12:20, 10gls, 27pts
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It is correct that Anaheim is quickly building up a very nice prospect pool - my point is this - in this particular trade Anaheim is aquiring 4 mid twenties NHL players all entering their prime either signed with term or controlled RFAs for the price of 2 twilight players with no term and on the back end of thier careers - now if Anaheim was serious about a rebuild their stock pile of prospects is still 2 maybe even 3 seasons out - the 4 players aquired fall right in line age and term wise for a rebuilding team. In all honesty this is a very smart trade for Anaheim and very poor asset management from TO


at first glance it may seem like poor asset management by the leafs, but that's only if you don't accept that for cap reasons these at least 3 if not all 4 of these specific leafs are going to have to be moved in the next few years. This trade gives them two potentially perfect short-term fits, neither with too much term, and one of them who could still be in line for a reasonable extension into his mid-30s.

of course, this is a big trade, and adding in picks/prospects on both sides to fine-tune it would likely make sense.


a smaller version of this trade would be Dermott + 1 of those 3 forwards for Manson alone. Then for cap reasons the leafs would then have to trade one more of the forwards (to the ducks or any team) for picks/prospects.
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10 juill. 2020 à 16 h 27
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at first glance it may seem like poor asset management by the leafs, but that's only if you don't accept that for cap reasons these at least 3 if not all 4 of these specific leafs are going to have to be moved in the next few years. This trade gives them two potentially perfect short-term fits, neither with too much term, and one of them who could still be in line for a reasonable extension into his mid-30s.

of course, this is a big trade, and adding in picks/prospects on both sides to fine-tune it would likely make sense.


a smaller version of this trade would be Dermott + 1 of those 3 forwards for Manson alone. Then for cap reasons the leafs would then have to trade one more of the forwards (to the ducks or any team) for picks/prospects.


They could move each asset for at minimum 2 mid round picks if the cap savings is what they after
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I get what your saying here, but Getzlaf is a UFA at the end of the season (a TDL trade is more likely) and Anaheim is in complete denial about a rebuild being the way to go over a retool


Getz has already said he has no intentions of chasing a cup (and I'm assuming would like to retire in Anaheim)

But even if he did, none of Kerfoot Johnsson or Kapanen are really worth paying for to play over guys like Steel Comtois Terry Lundestrom Heinen Milano BOG and Tracey long term, and over guys like Silf and Rico short term (and even if they are slight upgrades short term, why do we really care lol, they'll just push us up in the standings, and take roster spots away from younger kids with higher ceilings) and Dermott would be stuck behind Lindholm and Fowler at least, and would do nothing but take time away from an already overly crowded bottom pair (Larsson Guhle Mahura Djoos)
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It is correct that Anaheim is quickly building up a very nice prospect pool - my point is this - in this particular trade Anaheim is aquiring 4 mid twenties NHL players all entering their prime either signed with term or controlled RFAs for the price of 2 twilight players with no term and on the back end of thier careers - now if Anaheim was serious about a rebuild their stock pile of prospects is still 2 maybe even 3 seasons out - the 4 players acquired fall right in line, age and term wise, for a rebuilding team. In all honesty this is a very smart trade for Anaheim and very poor asset management from TO


Let's set aside the issue of whether Getzlaf would waive or we would ask him to.

The problem is that you're ignoring who the 4 players are.

Where do you propose we play Johnsson among Rakell, Heinen, Milano, Jones and Comtois?

Where do you propose we play Dermott among Fowler, Lindholm, Djoos, Larsson, Mahura and Guhle?

Where do you propose we play Kerfoot among Henrique, Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom and Groulx?

Kapanen is admittedly an excellent addition and would play in our top 6, but only assuming that we didn't have to shift Rakell over to make room for Johnsson or Kerfoot on the left.

In short, in isolation, this is a good-value trade for Anaheim, but we have to play the team we have. We need help at RD and secondarily at RW, so effectively, we are taking one (Kapanen) and a half (Dermott on his off side) steps out of 4 forward. That's not enough.

And I agree with the OP's refutation of your claim that this is poor management on Toronto's part -- due, again, to the reality of the current structure of this team, some or all of these players are going to have to be moved this off-season or next.
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Let's set aside the issue of whether Getzlaf would waive or we would ask him to.

The problem is that you're ignoring who the 4 players are.

Where do you propose we play Johnsson among Rakell, Heinen, Milano, Jones and Comtois?

Where do you propose we play Dermott among Fowler, Lindholm, Djoos, Larsson, Mahura and Guhle?

Where do you propose we play Kerfoot among Henrique, Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom and Groulx?

Kapanen is admittedly an excellent addition and would play in our top 6, but only assuming that we didn't have to shift Rakell over to make room for Johnsson or Kerfoot on the left.

In short, in isolation, this is a good-value trade for Anaheim, but we have to play the team we have. We need help at RD and secondarily at RW, so effectively, we are taking one (Kapanen) and a half (Dermott on his off side) steps out of 4 forward. That's not enough.

And I agree with the OP's refutation of your claim that this is poor management on Toronto's part -- due, again, to the reality of the current structure of this team, some or all of these players are going to have to be moved this off-season or next.


I'm thinking this trade would only happen if Anaheim decides yes we are selling, Rackell would certainly pull some serious assets in and Rico would probably be able to get a conversation going on 8th OA out of Buffalo. I'm not looking at either teams needs, just looking at the assets themselves and when you bring that in the light then Anaheim and TO don't really make good trading partners at all unless Anaheim plans to keep Kapenen and Dermott and sell of Rackell and Lindholm or Fowler, selling those 2 players after selling Getz and Manson to TO would bring in a pretty good crop of assets whethyit be NHL players or Picks
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Let's set aside the issue of whether Getzlaf would waive or we would ask him to.

The problem is that you're ignoring who the 4 players are.

Where do you propose we play Johnsson among Rakell, Heinen, Milano, Jones and Comtois?

Where do you propose we play Dermott among Fowler, Lindholm, Djoos, Larsson, Mahura and Guhle?

Where do you propose we play Kerfoot among Henrique, Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom and Groulx?

Kapanen is admittedly an excellent addition and would play in our top 6, but only assuming that we didn't have to shift Rakell over to make room for Johnsson or Kerfoot on the left.

In short, in isolation, this is a good-value trade for Anaheim, but we have to play the team we have. We need help at RD and secondarily at RW, so effectively, we are taking one (Kapanen) and a half (Dermott on his off side) steps out of 4 forward. That's not enough.

And I agree with the OP's refutation of your claim that this is poor management on Toronto's part -- due, again, to the reality of the current structure of this team, some or all of these players are going to have to be moved this off-season or next.


To answer your questions, at this point:

Johnsson would likely slot in as your #1 LW.

Kapanen as your #2 RW.

Kerfoot would battle henrique for #1C duty until the kids proved they were ready for top-2 duty.

And these are players around for the long haul, as i would also be pushing the older guys Henrique Silf Fowler out the door in the next couple years too.

For 20-21 the lineup would look something like:

Johnsson 26 - Henrique 30 - Rakell 27
Heinen 25 - Kerfoot 26 - Kapanen 24
Milano 24 - Steel 23 - Silfverberg 30
Jones 22 - Lundestrom 21 - Comtois 22
(Rowney 32 - Zegras 19 - Deslauriers 30)

Lindholm 27 - Djoos 26
Fowler 29 - Dermott 24
Guhle 23 - Larsson 23
(Mahura 22)



Again, with the next guys moving out being the likes of Henrique, Silf, and Fowler.
Dermott would slide in as the #3/4 dman, pairing up with either Lindholm or Fowler.
13 juill. 2020 à 8 h 15
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or just Even Strength for simplicity:

Getzlaf (34): 15:52, 14gls, 42pts
Kapanen (23): 13:35, 16gls, 39pts
Johnsson (25): 12:37, 15gls, 38pts
Rakell (26): 15:22, 15gls, 37pts
Silfverberg (29): 13:27, 20gls, 35pts
Henrique (29): 13:29, 17gls, 33pts
Kerfoot (25): 12:58, 11gls, 30pts
Heinen (24): 12:20, 10gls, 27pts


I'm not sure how pointing out that *all* of these guys should be 2nd or 3rd liners proves whatever point you're trying to make?
 
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