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Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 10 juill. 2020
Publié: 10 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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I've seen a lot of Leaf fans suggest that they should trade Marner for Pesce, and while I understand the purpose of it, I'm not sure it'll work. Carolina needs cap space to resign Svechnikov (likely 9-10 million), Necas (7-8 million) and Suzuki. Marner's cap hit is quite a large one as well, so I am going to try and make a team that fits all those guys while being cap compliant.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
59 500 000 $
11 850 000 $
1900 000 $
74 000 000 $
21 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
810 500 000 $
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33 850 000 $
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CAR
  1. Jost, Tyson [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (COL)
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CAR
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Marner, Mitchell (1 893 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
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CAR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
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    1. Roy, Matt [Droits de RFA]
    LAK
    1. Foegele, Warren [Droits de RFA]
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CAR)
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    10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 41
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    But like come on, Pesce is good but not to that level of value. I'm a lot more of a Canes fan then I am of a Leafs fan. This is so incredibly lopsided


    Yeah I admit, I definitely over exaggerated the value of Pesce in this trade.
    10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 43
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    @canesfan3030 @Hockyluv21 @ecupirate07 @TWOminutes4surging @jslongo @Caniac2000 @nbass @Dan10900 @yeetmaster

    Obviously a highly unlikely scenario, but what'd you guys think of this team? Are they cup worthy?


    Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly be any dumber, you went and totally redeemed yourse- wait what am I saying. This is by far the worst Marner trade I’ve ever seen. Try adding Aho.
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    10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 44
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Everyone has their own opinion regarding these trades, just because you disagree with my work doesn’t make me a troll. It is hard to satisfy both fan bases involved.


    You never satisfy leafs fans. You satisfied my other fans enough that even they agree it’s a horrible trade.
    10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 47
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    this scenario is as likely as Pesce and Wallmark for Kapanen and Brown 'rumor.'

    we all know this is a joke, right? We would have to score 8 goals a night with the goalie tandem.


    I think you’re underrating Bernier. He had an excellent season & would be getting more recognition if he played on a better team: https://twitter.com/hbanalytica/status/1271142483704111105?s=21

    As for Smith, he was bad but it might not matter in front of such a tremendous defence in front of him.
    10 juill. 2020 à 14 h 48
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    you just keep out doing yourself. Terrible, absolutly terrible and there is no way you can justify this pile of rancid trash, so dont even try
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    10 juill. 2020 à 16 h 8
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly be any dumber, you went and totally redeemed yourse- wait what am I saying. This is by far the worst Marner trade I’ve ever seen. Try adding Aho.


    aho has more value than marner
    10 juill. 2020 à 16 h 14
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    Quoting: nbass
    aho has more value than marner


    I was exaggerating a bit to make a point. I would say they have value approximately the same with Marner retained ~2 mil. Once Aho is added, Kerfoot or so would be added. But the point is as is, it's the worst Marner trade I've ever seen.
    10 juill. 2020 à 16 h 38
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    you just keep out doing yourself. Terrible, absolutly terrible and there is no way you can justify this pile of rancid trash, so dont even try


    I admit, it's an overpay by Toronto but don't you agree that Pesce is the elite shutdown RHD that Toronto desperately needs?
    10 juill. 2020 à 16 h 41
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I admit, it's an overpay by Toronto but don't you agree that Pesce is the elite shutdown RHD that Toronto desperately needs?


    that's like saying i need dinner tonight so im going to spend 1000$ on buying enough KFC to feed 50 people because i like chicken
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    10 juill. 2020 à 17 h 32
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    I was exaggerating a bit to make a point. I would say they have value approximately the same with Marner retained ~2 mil. Once Aho is added, Kerfoot or so would be added. But the point is as is, it's the worst Marner trade I've ever seen.


    ah
    10 juill. 2020 à 20 h 25
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    Quoting: Sean4417
    Carolina people certainly do like to over value Pesce... but this is absolutely laughable... a 90+ point forward, a high end D prospect, and a 1st rd pick for Carolinas current 3rd pairing RD. Seriously?!?


    A top 10 RD man, Carolina's 1st line RD in the absense of Dougie, and you're INCREDIBLY ignorant
    10 juill. 2020 à 20 h 26
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    We don't have the cap. Pesce for Nylander works because it's not a mammoth increase. From 4 to ~7 is workable. From 4 to 11? Yeah no. Carolina also don't have the need. We have enough playmakers. Hell, we have Necas who may be a better version of Marner. His skating is certainly better.
    10 juill. 2020 à 20 h 29
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    We don't have the cap. Pesce for Nylander works because it's not a mammoth increase. From 4 to ~7 is workable. From 4 to 11? Yeah no. Carolina also don't have the need. We have enough playmakers. Hell, we have Necas who may be a better version of Marner. His skating is certainly better.


    The fact that there 2 mil retained, and you get Lili and a first, you better take it. If you think that's not enough, you're just Biased.
    10 juill. 2020 à 20 h 36
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    The fact that there 2 mil retained, and you get Lili and a first, you better take it. If you think that's not enough, you're just Biased.


    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.
    10 juill. 2020 à 20 h 59
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    @canesfan3030 @Hockyluv21 @ecupirate07 @TWOminutes4surging @jslongo @Caniac2000 @nbass @Dan10900 @yeetmaster

    Obviously a highly unlikely scenario, but what'd you guys think of this team? Are they cup worthy?


    This post is an embarrassment to any knowledgeable hockey fan. I find it so sad that you continue to prepare anti-Marner posts daily when everyone on CapFriendly knows you are in fact really a Penguins fan who is very jealous of Marner and the Leafs. I find your anti-Marner posts very disheartening in that you continue to release these posts daily about a player who is everything that is right about being a professional hockey player and is such a great ambassador for the game and role model for kids and the less fortunate in the world.

    @MitchMarnerElite How to you feel being so negative about a player who is admired by so many fans?
    10 juill. 2020 à 21 h 15
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.


    Quoting: Caniac2000
    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.


    Well damn. I tried the sweeten the deal to a point in which I could not imagine you possibly declining, yet here we are. I extended both Hamilton & Svechnikov long term in this ACGM, brought in Roy who looks like the second coming of Pesce analytically. All you need to do next is Extend Necas, which can be done with Trocheck expiring.
    10 juill. 2020 à 22 h 10
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    Well damn. I tried the sweeten the deal to a point in which I could not imagine you possibly declining, yet here we are. I extended both Hamilton & Svechnikov long term in this ACGM, brought in Roy who looks like the second coming of Pesce analytically. All you need to do next is Extend Necas, which can be done with Trocheck expiring.


    I think the Hurricanes Owner would be saying @MitchMarnerElite can you immediately turn in your keys and pack your bags if your were his GM for this post.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.


    Pesce is not a top 10 right d. Hamilton is not a Norris winner. If you can get this deal, considering how much you fleece us, you take it. Flip him after is you want.
    11 juill. 2020 à 15 h 17
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    Pesce is not a top 10 right d. Hamilton is not a Norris winner. If you can get this deal, considering how much you fleece us, you take it. Flip him after is you want.


    Pesce is a top 10 RD man, and Hamilton will be a Norris winner. Considering that, you need to go check your bias. If you can't trade him elsewhere, how do you expect us to?
    11 juill. 2020 à 15 h 40
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    Pesce is a top 10 RD man, and Hamilton will be a Norris winner. Considering that, you need to go check your bias. If you can't trade him elsewhere, how do you expect us to?


    I don’t want him to be traded. I was just saying this is a deal the canes would pounce on if offered. However, it won’t be offered. And Pesce is not better than:
    Carlson
    Peitrangelo
    Payanko
    Hamilton
    Makar
    Jones
    Klingberg
    Weber
    Ellis
    or Ekblad
    11 juill. 2020 à 15 h 54
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    I don’t want him to be traded. I was just saying this is a deal the canes would pounce on if offered. However, it won’t be offered. And Pesce is not better than:
    Carlson
    Peitrangelo
    Payanko
    Hamilton
    Makar
    Jones
    Klingberg
    Weber
    Ellis
    or Ekblad


    Currently, Pesce is better than Jones, Klingberg & Weber. Although you could add guys like Fox, McAvoy & Marino instead.
    11 juill. 2020 à 16 h 32
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Currently, Pesce is better than Jones, Klingberg & Weber. Although you could add guys like Fox, McAvoy & Marino instead.


    I would say Pesce is not better than Weber, Klingburg and Jones. I would agree that Macavoy, Marino and Fox are better, as well as Letang and Dougthy.
    11 juill. 2020 à 16 h 33
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    I don’t want him to be traded. I was just saying this is a deal the canes would pounce on if offered. However, it won’t be offered. And Pesce is not better than:
    Carlson
    Peitrangelo
    Payanko
    Hamilton
    Makar
    Jones
    Klingberg
    Weber
    Ellis
    or Ekblad


    He's better than:
    Ekblad
    Weber
    Makar
    12 juill. 2020 à 10 h 43
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    He's better than:
    Ekblad
    Weber
    Makar


    This post is a troll and you know it.
    13 juill. 2020 à 2 h 11
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    This post is a troll and you know it.


    Nope, his xGA and xGF is better than all three. Someone like MacKenzie Weegar I could understand the case for, but Makar after one year, a consistently overrated Ekblad and a dinosaur Weber are not better than the best DFD in hockey over the past 3 years.

    Disagreeing is a troll and you know it
     
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