Both team decline
Kotkaniemi isn’t worth that, but MTL didn’t draft him 3OA for nothing. We’ll take our chance on him

Couldn't have said it better

Would you trade the 5th OA pick this year for a late first, a second, a 3-4 th line player and a b prospect? No, then this is an aweful offer for one of our greatest talents. We are not trading this kid anytime soon but if it happens its included in a package for a big time player such as Eichel

5th is gonna be better then kk and if he is the big piece in a eichel deal buf laughs at you

lol

You’re overvaluing KK. Yes he still has a good amount of value, but he’s not a “big piece” in an Eichel deal. KK probably holds value around what this trade is proposing. But like @GMs said, both teams decline this trade as MTL needs to take a chance on KK and jets are giving up too much.

Thats just terrible logic. I get he was a 3oa but comparing players based of where they were drafted in different years is just silly.

Does the 2016 #1 pick have the same value as the 2018 # 1 pick. How about the 2016 #4oa vs the 2018 #4oa? This is why it’s stupid to compare values 2 years apart or ever like this.one of your greatest talents? Is he even the 4th best center on the team?

buddy... its not about when the player got picked, it helps but its how good he is and his upside... busts happen (Yakupov in 2012 went 1st overall) not saying Kotkaniemi's a bust wouldn't have made a thread otherwise

he stepped back a bit and slide down the depth chart, Canadians don't need him as much now.. its a risk to trade for him but think its worth
wouldnt have offered so much if a didn't think he would click with Laine, Ehlers

would OTT trade their 5th overall for Kotkaniemi? doubt it

I’d be happy as a jets fan.

I’d be happy if we (as in jets) took it.

Exactly...esp cuz I wouldn't even give a 1st for KK right now as he sucked this year

Did you notice Samberg in there? Don't think he was in there originally or I didn't notice him anyway, this seems like a lot to give up for Kotkaniemi who's still very unproven at this point.

Draisaitl had 9 points at 19 yo... He wasn’t bad, just too slow because he gained too much pounds during the summer. He has an incredible shot and he’s an amazing playmaker. He got the tools to be a #1 center, we need to let him develop and he’ll be fine. The problem is Danault/Suzuki, they are both great. I personally would want Suzuki Kotkaniemi Poehling centering the 3 first line. But Danault is just so good, he doesn’t have the tools offensively but all the rest of is game is strong

I wouldn’t mind gambling on kk and or brook, but not on a buy high moment, this would have to be a scary 7 player deal with something fancier going to mtl and more than kk coming back to get anything done imo. Just hopefully on the right side of the gilmour/leeman trade, now I’m aging myself lol

Takeout Samberg and does that package not get Domi? I think Kotkaniemi will turn out but the Jets need an established center now, KK would be better in the long run but I don't see the Habs trading him and at this point it is an overpay, the clock is ticking on Scheifele and Wheeler, the Jets need someone now.

I don’t really understand mtls needs if it’s not a domi type player along with Gallagher to play a physical game to all the smaller kids up the middle. Kind of a pulse guy and if the problem is not protected or too expensive, I’m not sure if younger is the idea with an already young lineup. So I’m not sure if I have a decent answer for you. Kk with laine on either squad I think would be interesting, but tough to make it make sense either would be my problem. Domi would be nice to be a jet with an extension, but I would like 2c and 2lw open for the idea and possibly a buy low with potential for 2c or 2lw. I can get over losing copp and possibly switching samberg for a rhd in the same type trajectory. But ya that’s one big run on sentence now lol

Sorry man yeah that sentence is ****ed and I can't make out what you're trying to say, try again.. Lol

Basically I don’t understand why domi would be on the market and why mtl would want to get any younger, and I would have a interest in kk and laine playing on a line, but kind of tough to make it make sense on either team. To get domi wpg would have to lose to cgy and pick in the teens somewhere, ship that and possibly copp would make some sense, but would they lose him to expansion? A lot of similar needs between the teams is my issue.

Wish list is 2c and some d upgrades possibly, but I think the d can be bargain hunt in free agency or from within or a Combination of the two, ya a 2c come in on budget and not cost a hole lot in trade. I wonder if there is something shiny in the works if there’s first round disappointment, damn it would be nice to find that 2c, where’s a buffalo to stlouis oreilly gift when you desperately need one.

If they traded the 2020 1st plus Copp or someone else for Domi I don't see why they'd have to worry about losing Domi in the expansion draft, Scheiffle, Wheeler, Connor, Laine, Ehlers, Domi, Roslovic, Morrissey, Pionk, Demelo(hopefully), Helly, seems pretty straightforward to me as to who to protect, probably lose Harkins or Appleton but so be it.

Or do you mean does Montreal lose Copp to expansion? Idk, I haven't done a deep look into their possible protected list.

I like you don't see why the Habs would want to trade Domi but the rumors are out there and yeah getting younger doesn't make sense for them really but they've got a weird thing going in Montreal with contract lengths, ages of guys and being in this rebuild or whatever it is plus I may be wrong but I don't think they've been spending anywhere near the cap, guess I just don't know what direction they're trying to go in.

Ya my question was on mtl side and any added players that would need to be protected.

Yeah I really don't know, off the top of my head I'd think they'd lose Copp if he was traded there but if Tatar is traded or doesn't get signed maybe they'd have a protection spot for him, I assume they go
7,3,1.

There just isn't any 2C's available or none that I can see anyway.

Mtl is kind of a weird squad like you said, they win a couple deals large and draft middle of the road and keep adding journeyman dman, they shine up there trade wins and all of sudden they are rumoured out of town. I would probably try to add a piece to help kk or Suzuki if they don’t feel like the nucleus they have there is quite right. But ya not entirely sure what’s next there.

Ya I think we have gone round and round on this one a few times, what happened to middlestadt hype in buffalo? Time to try to pick off some potential or overpay for something that should be a sure thing. I’m at the expensive route that could hurt, but like you said scheifele and wheeler not getting any younger.