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Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 7 juill. 2020
Publié: 7 juill. 2020
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STL trade makes sense for both teams. Cap isn't moving and STL has approx. 2M in cap space. Dunn can get them more but we're taking Allen off their hands to free up $$$ so they can sign Pietreangelo.
Pietreangelo will get at least 2M raise alone which doesn't give them any more room for Dunn. One way or another they're going to loose him with an OS or trade. Adding Allen gives them 4.35M in cap relief. Then adding Mete (resign approx. 1.5M/year) and Lindgren (750K), still leaves them with approx. 2M in cap space.

Based on the comments, I've reverted the PHI and OTT trade as I agree Chiarot and Kullak area better 3rd/4th LD option than Gotsibehere and Oulette.
DET trade for while getting a lot of comments is quite simple.
DET has the WORST D in the league and they need some stability on their back end until they're younger prospects are ready to make the jump. While Alzner may have been bad in MTL / Laval, he can provide them some stability and play top 4 D pairing minutes in Detroit for a couple of years until their young prospects step up. Having salary retained and giving up a 3rd rounder isn't such a tough pill to swallow for Detroit.
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7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 37
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Big fat no! From det
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7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 40
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Habs would be much better if they kept Chiarot and passed on Gostisbehere.

Also, Kulak is better than Ouellet, why trade him.
7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 41
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Am I missing something in the DET trade. Why are we giving up a 3rd round pick for an AHL defenceman, who even with the retained salary is making 2.5 mill a year for 2 more years.
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7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 41
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Alzner sucks Detroit's not giving up a 3rd for him, And St Louis declines as well.
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7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 42
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Big fat no! From det


Don't even need to consider that for a while? LMAO I don't blame you! It would absolutely take a 1st to move Alzner's contract
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7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 44
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Don't even need to consider that for a while? LMAO I don't blame you! It would absolutely take a 1st to move Alzner's contract


Habs will either bury or buyout Alzner ...
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7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 45
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I think that our D will finally work itself out next season when Romanov is able to play. I don't think it will take long for Romanov to move up the depth chart and will probably be a top 4 by game 15.
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7 juill. 2020 à 11 h 59
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Yes, Detroit should absolutely give up a 3rd for a defenseman making $2.625 million for 2 years, who also happened to be one of the worst defensemen on our AHL team.
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7 juill. 2020 à 12 h 0
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Overpayment to STL, Dunn through an OS would fetch a 2nd and Allen CFvalue's around a 4th/5th rounder so adding an NHL ready prospect and Lindgren's too much.
7 juill. 2020 à 12 h 43
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Easy no from Saint Louis. Either you offer-sheet Dunn, or you trade something like the 9th overall pick for him.
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7 juill. 2020 à 12 h 47
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Quoting: Stevierebz
Big fat no! From det


Quoting: BorisBagel
Habs would be much better if they kept Chiarot and passed on Gostisbehere.

Also, Kulak is better than Ouellet, why trade him.


Quoting: redwingsfan04
Am I missing something in the DET trade. Why are we giving up a 3rd round pick for an AHL defenceman, who even with the retained salary is making 2.5 mill a year for 2 more years.


Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Alzner sucks Detroit's not giving up a 3rd for him, And St Louis declines as well.


Quoting: Campabee
Don't even need to consider that for a while? LMAO I don't blame you! It would absolutely take a 1st to move Alzner's contract


Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Yes, Detroit should absolutely give up a 3rd for a defenseman making $2.625 million for 2 years, who also happened to be one of the worst defensemen on our AHL team.


Quoting: ColonelX
Overpayment to STL, Dunn through an OS would fetch a 2nd and Allen CFvalue's around a 4th/5th rounder so adding an NHL ready prospect and Lindgren's too much.


Thanks for all your comments and some taken into consideration.
I've updated the team and also added an explanation based on your comments (should've done it before publishing).

Should've added a description before publishing.
STL trade makes sense for both teams. Cap isn't moving and STL has approx. 2M in cap space. Dunn can get them more but we're taking Allen off their hands to free up $$$ so they can sign Pietreangelo.
Pietreangelo will get at least 2M raise alone which doesn't give them any more room for Dunn. One way or another they're going to loose him with an OS or trade. Adding Allen gives them 4.35M in cap relief. Then adding Mete (resign approx. 1.5M/year) and Lindgren (750K), still leaves them with approx. 2M in cap space.

Based on the comments, I've reverted the PHI and OTT trade as I agree Chiarot and Kullak area better 3rd/4th LD option than Gotsibehere and Oulette.
DET trade for while getting a lot of comments is quite simple.
DET has the WORST D in the league and they need some stability on their back end until they're younger prospects are ready to make the jump. While Alzner may have been bad in MTL / Laval, he can provide them some stability and play top 4 D pairing minutes in Detroit for a couple of years until their young prospects step up. Having salary retained and giving up a 3rd rounder isn't such a tough pill to swallow for Detroit.
7 juill. 2020 à 12 h 52
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Quoting: willinlisbon
Thanks for all your comments and some taken into consideration.
I've updated the team and also added an explanation based on your comments (should've done it before publishing).

Should've added a description before publishing.
STL trade makes sense for both teams. Cap isn't moving and STL has approx. 2M in cap space. Dunn can get them more but we're taking Allen off their hands to free up $$$ so they can sign Pietreangelo.
Pietreangelo will get at least 2M raise alone which doesn't give them any more room for Dunn. One way or another they're going to loose him with an OS or trade. Adding Allen gives them 4.35M in cap relief. Then adding Mete (resign approx. 1.5M/year) and Lindgren (750K), still leaves them with approx. 2M in cap space.

Based on the comments, I've reverted the PHI and OTT trade as I agree Chiarot and Kullak area better 3rd/4th LD option than Gotsibehere and Oulette.
DET trade for while getting a lot of comments is quite simple.
DET has the WORST D in the league and they need some stability on their back end until they're younger prospects are ready to make the jump. While Alzner may have been bad in MTL / Laval, he can provide them some stability and play top 4 D pairing minutes in Detroit for a couple of years until their young prospects step up. Having salary retained and giving up a 3rd rounder isn't such a tough pill to swallow for Detroit.

Having a bad D doesn’t mean we need to add AHL quality D men to it. Why would we when we could just dip into FA and get someone like Dillon, Edmundsson, etc. for only cap? If you want to pawn dumps on us then at least compensate us and not have us pay you to help you out. Even other Montreal fans are telling you it’s bad for Detroit.
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7 juill. 2020 à 12 h 53
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Quoting: BorisBagel
Habs will either bury or buyout Alzner ...


There was an article written a couple of weeks ago about the math associated of when/if the habs buy out Alzner's contract.

http://www.habsworld.net/2020/06/when-is-the-right-time-for-the-habs-to-buy-out-karl-alzner/

Long story short - mathematically, it doesn't make sense to buy him out this or next season, might as well get what you can for him.
I went with Detroit but basically, we can do this trade with DET, OTT, VGS.
These are basically the worst D's in the league.
https://thehockeywriters.com/ranking-nhl-teams-by-defencemen/#:~:text=%20Ranking%20NHL%20Teams%20By%20Defencemen%20%201,its%20due%20on%20a%20global%20stage...%20More%20
7 juill. 2020 à 12 h 57
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Having a bad D doesn’t mean we need to add AHL quality D men to it. Why would we when we could just dip into FA and get someone like Dillon, Edmundsson, etc. for only cap? If you want to pawn dumps on us then at least compensate us and not have us pay you to help you out. Even other Montreal fans are telling you it’s bad for Detroit.


While I'm not high on Marc Bergevin, one thing I do give him credit for is getting the MOST value for low profile trades.
High profile trades - I don't trust him too much.
But I believe he'll be able to do something with Alzner this offseason - and it won't be buying him out.
Like I commented to another before....you can swap DET with OTT or VGS as they're the worst D's in the league.
7 juill. 2020 à 13 h 4
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While I'm not high on Marc Bergevin, one thing I do give him credit for is getting the MOST value for low profile trades.
High profile trades - I don't trust him too much.
But I believe he'll be able to do something with Alzner this offseason - and it won't be buying him out.
Like I commented to another before....you can swap DET with OTT or VGS as they're the worst D's in the league.

Still doesn’t work since Eugene Melnyk is extremely frugal (they’d target Boychuk or Eriksson) and Vegas has their own cap issues and Alzner won’t crack their top 6. You just can’t sugar coat crap and expect value like that. You want us to take Alzner expect a 2021 1st or multiple second rounders to come back to Detroit or whatever team you want to pawn him off on.
7 juill. 2020 à 13 h 12
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Quoting: willinlisbon
Thanks for all your comments and some taken into consideration.
I've updated the team and also added an explanation based on your comments (should've done it before publishing).

Should've added a description before publishing.
STL trade makes sense for both teams. Cap isn't moving and STL has approx. 2M in cap space. Dunn can get them more but we're taking Allen off their hands to free up $$$ so they can sign Pietreangelo.
Pietreangelo will get at least 2M raise alone which doesn't give them any more room for Dunn. One way or another they're going to loose him with an OS or trade. Adding Allen gives them 4.35M in cap relief. Then adding Mete (resign approx. 1.5M/year) and Lindgren (750K), still leaves them with approx. 2M in cap space.

Based on the comments, I've reverted the PHI and OTT trade as I agree Chiarot and Kullak area better 3rd/4th LD option than Gotsibehere and Oulette.
DET trade for while getting a lot of comments is quite simple.
DET has the WORST D in the league and they need some stability on their back end until they're younger prospects are ready to make the jump. While Alzner may have been bad in MTL / Laval, he can provide them some stability and play top 4 D pairing minutes in Detroit for a couple of years until their young prospects step up. Having salary retained and giving up a 3rd rounder isn't such a tough pill to swallow for Detroit.


So? Alzner isn’t a good defenceman. Detroit has bad D but with a couple prospects coming up to the NHL and some free agent signings Alzner still wouldn’t make our roster. And giving up a 3rd for him is ridiculous. It would probably take at least a 2nd round pick from Montreal to move his contract.
7 juill. 2020 à 13 h 14
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The STL trade certainly does not make sense for the Blues. Zero chance.
7 juill. 2020 à 13 h 22
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Easy no from Saint Louis. Either you offer-sheet Dunn, or you trade something like the 9th overall pick for him.


9th overall.....for Dunn? Bahahaha what a joke

We could just offer sheet him and pay a 2nd. Blues will have to choose between resigning him or resigning Petro, flar cap world my friend be prepared to lose some guys for cheap
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7 juill. 2020 à 13 h 33
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9th overall.....for Dunn? Bahahaha what a joke

We could just offer sheet him and pay a 2nd. Blues will have to choose between resigning him or resigning Petro, flar cap world my friend be prepared to lose some guys for cheap


Jamie Drysdale is the best defenseman in this draft, you’ll probably be happy if he’s as good as Dunn. As for offersheets, it’s possible, but teams were too afraid to do them in normal summers so it would shock me if one happened now. Plus, I’d way rather have 23 year old Dunn than Pietrangelo.
7 juill. 2020 à 13 h 41
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Quoting: BorisBagel
Habs will either bury or buyout Alzner ...


Wasn't he buried for a good part of the 2018-19 season?
7 juill. 2020 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: willinlisbon
While I'm not high on Marc Bergevin, one thing I do give him credit for is getting the MOST value for low profile trades.
High profile trades - I don't trust him too much.
But I believe he'll be able to do something with Alzner this offseason - and it won't be buying him out.
Like I commented to another before....you can swap DET with OTT or VGS as they're the worst D's in the league.


No one is going to give up a 3rd for Alzner, even if he was s#$ting gold bricks.
7 juill. 2020 à 14 h 20
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Jamie Drysdale is the best defenseman in this draft, you’ll probably be happy if he’s as good as Dunn. As for offersheets, it’s possible, but teams were too afraid to do them in normal summers so it would shock me if one happened now. Plus, I’d way rather have 23 year old Dunn than Pietrangelo.


You're overvaluing Dunn. He is good but nowhere close to worth a top 10 pick, Drysdale and Sanderson will be better then him. Dunn is a serviceable top 4 dman but he isnt a top pairing guy or elite.
7 juill. 2020 à 14 h 28
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No one is going to give up a 3rd for Alzner, even if he was s#$ting gold bricks.


Lol. At first I thought this guy made a mistake and meant to give a 3rd to Detroit with Alzner but now he's trying to justify his opinion. If Alzner could get traded for a 3rd, maybe the Wings will get a 2nd for Abdelkader.
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Thanks for all your comments and some taken into consideration.
I've updated the team and also added an explanation based on your comments (should've done it before publishing).

Should've added a description before publishing.
STL trade makes sense for both teams. Cap isn't moving and STL has approx. 2M in cap space. Dunn can get them more but we're taking Allen off their hands to free up $$$ so they can sign Pietreangelo.
Pietreangelo will get at least 2M raise alone which doesn't give them any more room for Dunn. One way or another they're going to loose him with an OS or trade. Adding Allen gives them 4.35M in cap relief. Then adding Mete (resign approx. 1.5M/year) and Lindgren (750K), still leaves them with approx. 2M in cap space.

Based on the comments, I've reverted the PHI and OTT trade as I agree Chiarot and Kullak area better 3rd/4th LD option than Gotsibehere and Oulette.
DET trade for while getting a lot of comments is quite simple.
DET has the WORST D in the league and they need some stability on their back end until they're younger prospects are ready to make the jump. While Alzner may have been bad in MTL / Laval, he can provide them some stability and play top 4 D pairing minutes in Detroit for a couple of years until their young prospects step up. Having salary retained and giving up a 3rd rounder isn't such a tough pill to swallow for Detroit.


In that case Det should just resign Ericsson! Karl is not a NHL defenseman anymore and to give the 3rd pick in the 3rd for him at any cap hit is a joke. They wouldn’t tale him off of your hands if you sweetened it with your own 3rd rd pick
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7 juill. 2020 à 14 h 32
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Quoting: willinlisbon
Thanks for all your comments and some taken into consideration.
I've updated the team and also added an explanation based on your comments (should've done it before publishing).



Should've added a description before publishing.
STL trade makes sense for both teams. Cap isn't moving and STL has approx. 2M in cap space. Dunn can get them more but we're taking Allen off their hands to free up $$$ so they can sign Pietreangelo.
Pietreangelo will get at least 2M raise alone which doesn't give them any more room for Dunn. One way or another they're going to loose him with an OS or trade. Adding Allen gives them 4.35M in cap relief. Then adding Mete (resign approx. 1.5M/year) and Lindgren (750K), still leaves them with approx. 2M in cap space.

Based on the comments, I've reverted the PHI and OTT trade as I agree Chiarot and Kullak area better 3rd/4th LD option than Gotsibehere and Oulette.
DET trade for while getting a lot of comments is quite simple.
DET has the WORST D in the league and they need some stability on their back end until they're younger prospects are ready to make the jump. While Alzner may have been bad in MTL / Laval, he can provide them some stability and play top 4 D pairing minutes in Detroit for a couple of years until their young prospects step up. Having salary retained and giving up a 3rd rounder isn't such a tough pill to swallow for Detroit.


Ya know, your reasoning isn’t all that bad. Now that I think about it, MTL has a seven lack of leadership in the locker room, how about y’all trade us a 2nd for Abdelkader. He’s a real good locker room guy
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