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3 way trade between COL TOR ANA

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Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 6 juill. 2020
Publié: 6 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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How about this 3 way?

TOR out: Nylander
TOR in: Manson + Rakell @$1.8m

ANA out: Manson + Rakell ($1.8m retained)
ANA in: Timmins, Kaut, 1st, Beaucage

COL out: Timmins, Kaut, 1st, Beaucage
COL in: Nylander

Anaheim generally love the idea of Timmins + 1st for Rakell. Avs probably don't do that though as it probably favours Anaheim a bit. Kaut + Beaucage probably comes close to Manson, but favours Colorado. Together the two parts balance for a fair trade.

Toronto would get a defensive RHD that they need, AND a direct replacement for Nylander with a really cheap cap hit.

Colorado gets a young and cost-controlled 1st line winger for futures.

Maybe some more picks need to be added (probably an extra pick from Toronto to Anaheim for the retention) but as a basis I think this could work for all 3 teams.
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COL
  1. Manson, Josh
  2. Rakell, Rickard (1 850 000 $ retained)
ANA
  1. Beaucage, Alex [Liste de réserve]
  2. Kaut, Martin
  3. Timmins, Conor
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (COL)
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COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (FLA)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (COL)
FLA
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [Droits de RFA]
4.
COL
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
NYR
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [Droits de RFA]
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UFA - 3
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UFA - 5
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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UFA - 2
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 2
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UFA - 4
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UFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
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UFA - 3
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UFA - 2
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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2 850 000 $2 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DD
UFA - 1
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G
UFA - 1
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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UFA - 2
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UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance150 000 $$150K)
C
RFA - 2
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
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6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 37
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Interesting idea there.
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6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 41
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Leafs may want a little more but I really like the idea. Getting Rakell at that price is a dream
6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 43
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Again my issue is the contracts. Manson and Rakell expire in 2 years, and you either overpay to keep both into their 30s, or you lose them after 2 years and give up 4 years of a young star player (who is likely to resign bc he seems to like playing here) for 2 years of a 2nd pair D and a 2nd line winger. But the premise is in the right direction
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6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 47
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Again my issue is the contracts. Manson and Rakell expire in 2 years, and you either overpay to keep both into their 30s, or you lose them after 2 years and give up 4 years of a young star player (who is likely to resign bc he seems to like playing here) for 2 years of a 2nd pair D and a 2nd line winger. But the premise is in the right direction


Leafs are certainly trading some term here, but you're replacing Nylander's role immediately AND adding a RHD you need. The fact that you increase your cup chances in the prime cup window makes it worth it.
6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 48
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Interesting idea there.


Could the Avalanche not be bypassed in this 3 way trade? Does Anaheim value the futures more than Nylander? Real question. Because i'm not terribly familiar with their future. ( I hate that i have to say that but Capfriendly comments have become less and less constructive and more "your an idiot" type thing )

Low key though, everyone who has commented so far has been super constructive.
6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 51
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Leafs may want a little more but I really like the idea. Getting Rakell at that price is a dream


If anything Toronto should be adding to get that retention. Rakell isn't far off Nylander in terms of points output (when he's on a decent team), and at over $5m less AAV for 2 years it more than worth losing the extra 2 years term. Plus you're getting Manson. It's almost like a 2-for-1 bargain, filling 2 spots in one go, while also saving $1m in capspace that allows you to keep all your depth players (i.e. Kapanen, Johnsson, etc).
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6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 58
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Timmins hurts. Would rather throw Graves or Z in that spot. Add another pick if needed.

This is pretty solid though. All teams get something they need.
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6 juill. 2020 à 20 h 58
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Quoting: Russell_C
Could the Avalanche not be bypassed in this 3 way trade? Does Anaheim value the futures more than Nylander? Real question. Because i'm not terribly familiar with their future. ( I hate that i have to say that but Capfriendly comments have become less and less constructive and more "your an idiot" type thing )

Low key though, everyone who has commented so far has been super constructive.


You could say that any of the 3 teams could get bypassed to be fair...

Toronto could be bypassed since Colorado would also find it pretty nice to add Rakell (50% retained) and Manson. A top 6 forward and RHD are the two biggest needs after all.

Anaheim could be bypassed if Avs send Toronto enough futures (while Toronto sign Pietrangelo for example).

And as you said, Colorado could be bypassed if Anaheim want Nylander.

That said, I think Timmins, Kaut, etc would fit Anaheim's rebuild slightly better than Nylander, so they wouldn't bypass Toronto. Whoever they pick at No.6 is going to be like 3 years away from making a serious impact, and by then Nylander would be close to hitting UFA.

From Colorado's perspective, whilst Rakell and Manson are attractive pieces, the need for Manson isn't pressing as we still have Cole and Johnson who are solid in similar roles still. And Colorado's window is only just opening up so they'd lean the way of Nylander given the 2 years extra term.

Lastly, Anaheim could get cut out, but I think Toronto would want players like Rakell and Manson who can help immediately, rather than futures.

So overall, it's a trade where you COULD bypass any of the teams, but the most suitable alternative is to have a 3 way trade.
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6 juill. 2020 à 21 h 0
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Timmins hurts. Would rather throw Graves or Z in that spot. Add another pick if needed.

This is pretty solid though. All teams get something they need.


Yeah losing Timmins is painful, but bear in mind that we get Nylander without losing Byram or Newhook... With Makar, Byram, Girard, and Graves we're looking good at D even without Timmins as well.
6 juill. 2020 à 21 h 1
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Quoting: Richard88
If anything Toronto should be adding to get that retention. Rakell isn't far off Nylander in terms of points output (when he's on a decent team), and at over $5m less AAV for 2 years it more than worth losing the extra 2 years term. Plus you're getting Manson. It's almost like a 2-for-1 bargain, filling 2 spots in one go, while also saving $1m in capspace that allows you to keep all your depth players (i.e. Kapanen, Johnsson, etc).


why should the leafs add? were giving up a 30 goals scorer and a almost point per game player for 2 guys with decent contracts but will soon expire. if anything, Colorado should be adding. sorry but nylander isn't on the block. your giving a couple of b+ items in exchange for nylander. don't forget nylanders contract is pretty sweet. also rakell only does good when he plays with good players. kapanen could put similar numbers if we put him with Matthews and marner. rakell only got those 2 good seasons cause he was with getzlaf and Perry. if the leafs are adding to this trade then yea were passing easily
6 juill. 2020 à 21 h 27
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why should the leafs add? were giving up a 30 goals scorer and a almost point per game player for 2 guys with decent contracts but will soon expire. if anything, Colorado should be adding. sorry but nylander isn't on the block. your giving a couple of b+ items in exchange for nylander. don't forget nylanders contract is pretty sweet. also rakell only does good when he plays with good players. kapanen could put similar numbers if we put him with Matthews and marner. rakell only got those 2 good seasons cause he was with getzlaf and Perry. if the leafs are adding to this trade then yea were passing easily


Agree that the Leafs shouldn't be adding. Nylander is the best player in the trade by a fair margin. There is a decent argument Toronto is a more complete team after this though, which makes the proposal pretty interesting.

Avs get better now but lose Timmins, who they really like, so they probably wouldn't add either, unless it's just another lesser prospect.

I really think this is pretty reasonable.
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6 juill. 2020 à 21 h 29
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Could the Avalanche not be bypassed in this 3 way trade? Does Anaheim value the futures more than Nylander? Real question. Because i'm not terribly familiar with their future. ( I hate that i have to say that but Capfriendly comments have become less and less constructive and more "your an idiot" type thing )

Low key though, everyone who has commented so far has been super constructive.


I honestly don't think so. There's no point in acquiring Nylander without a legit #1 center to play with immediately. On the other hand, Kaut, Timmins, Beaucage and whoever they draft this year match the ages of their future core that constists of Zegras, Comtois, Tracey & Co
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Kudos on a new approach/interesting idea, but if I'm being honest it's a pretty easy no from the Leafs, imo. Nothing wrong with either Rakell or Manson, but the Leafs are giving up who is easily the best player in the deal and said player has an extra 2 years term over the other guys who will be in or entering their 30's at the beginning of their new, more expensive deals, should the Leafs try to re-sign them. There is also the ED to worry about; the Leafs take on two player's here who require protection at two different positions.
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why should the leafs add? were giving up a 30 goals scorer and a almost point per game player for 2 guys with decent contracts but will soon expire. if anything, Colorado should be adding. sorry but nylander isn't on the block. your giving a couple of b+ items in exchange for nylander. don't forget nylanders contract is pretty sweet. also rakell only does good when he plays with good players. kapanen could put similar numbers if we put him with Matthews and marner. rakell only got those 2 good seasons cause he was with getzlaf and Perry. if the leafs are adding to this trade then yea were passing easily


Dude this is such a good trade for TO ( and COL ANA) Leafs trade a 7 million dollar Nylander for a top 6 F ( who will certainly put up 60 pts playing next to Matthews or Tavares) and the guy every Leaf fan has been "Capfriendly" trading for the last 2 years in Josh Manson , they solve the D keep the potent offence, keep all the depth and with Reilly, Hyman, Mikheyev, Kapenen who will also need raises before Nylander's contract would be off the books
6 juill. 2020 à 21 h 58
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Yeah losing Timmins is painful, but bear in mind that we get Nylander without losing Byram or Newhook... With Makar, Byram, Girard, and Graves we're looking good at D even without Timmins as well.


I think Timmins is a really key piece of the future though (i.e. he has more value to the Avs than what he should on paper). Cole and Johnson are fine for now, but I don't want to rely on them for more than another year or two. The team would definitely need to address RD somehow (imo), as there could be a big hole there if Johnson or Makar have to deal with injuries.
6 juill. 2020 à 23 h 14
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Thats a lot to give up but Nylander could be worth it - that roster looks very very good. This puts us in a tight spot with the cap the next few seasons though. Were giving up a few ELCs and may need to find more to help fill out the roster for cheap throughout the next few seasons. RHD is also questionable without Timmins cause we dont really have anyone else besides Helleson (who I dont think will be an NHLer anytime soon) to put behind Makar and Johnson. Maybe in the Zadorov to FLA trade we could find a way to include Chase Priskie? Even if he isnt a regular NHL for us in 20-21 it would be nice to have someone like that who could step into the NHL right away if needed.
6 juill. 2020 à 23 h 24
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This is interesting, all teams seem to benefit. However if Im the Avs, wouldn't you prefer Rakell, cheap, for 2 years, and only give up two assets. As opposed to 4 assets for Nylander at 6.9 ?
If Rakells price is Timmins and a first, why not just do that and not involve Toronto. Obviously Avs fans may think its an overpay, but this is a great, affordable piece for a contending team. Send it a little, ya know? Still an A-1 prospect pool
6 juill. 2020 à 23 h 56
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I like Rakell but im not a fan of Manson. I would rather trade Nylander for Timmins, Kaut, 1st, Beaucage, and not involve Anaheim at all. It frees up a significant chunk of cap space while giving us a good young RHD who is expansion draft exempt, along with a few more prospects. This only works out for Toronto if Timmins becomes a top 4 defense man, but i like him. He can be resigned after next year on the cheap since he will have little experience. Like others have said im not a fan of trading for older players who will soon need to be resigned when entering there 30s.
7 juill. 2020 à 0 h 0
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Quoting: leafs101
Again my issue is the contracts. Manson and Rakell expire in 2 years, and you either overpay to keep both into their 30s, or you lose them after 2 years and give up 4 years of a young star player (who is likely to resign bc he seems to like playing here) for 2 years of a 2nd pair D and a 2nd line winger. But the premise is in the right direction


We seem to think a lot alike. It’s a fair offer. Personally I would decline. I’m not huge on manson though either.

I say the leafs would be better off signing a ufa like Hamonic or even trading for savard. I think he would be a cheap stop gap.
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We seem to think a lot alike. It’s a fair offer. Personally I would decline. I’m not huge on manson though either.

I say the leafs would be better off signing a ufa like Hamonic or even trading for savard. I think he would be a cheap stop gap.


Agreed. Manson and rakell are good no doubt, but they are in a class of players that aren't hard to grab as a FA. Not too many Nylander value type players become available. And it would be bad if both of them walked, but also bad if you resigned them for too much into their 30s, so for the first 2 years it might look good, but long term you're better getting a stop gap like you said and keeping your core players.
 
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