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Shedding Salary - Preparing for a Flat Cap

Créé par: MitchMarner_16
Date de création initiale: jui 6, 2020
Publié: 6 jui 2020 à 14 h 05
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
I’ve heard a rumour that Keefe and Barrie have a great mutual respect for each other. I’ve also heard that Barrie would be willing to take a short term, team friendly contract to wait out the Covid Fallout. If that happens, here’s what we can expect.
If I’m honest, I think keeping him would be smart. He played well under Keefe and wasn’t a dumpster fire like Babcock made him.

I hope the kings trade is sort of close. Kings fans, please help me out.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis31 500 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya21 290 000 $
Gauthier, Frédérik2700 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Barrie, Tyson23 000 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Pesce, Brett
CAR
  1. Nylander, William
TOR
  1. Kempe, Adrian
  2. Lizotte, Blake
LAK
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
  3. 2021 2e round pick (TOR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 124 084 $0 $850 000 $375 916 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 290 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
LAK
Kempe, Adrian
2 000 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
LAK
Lizotte, Blake
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 3
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
700 000 $
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
CAR
Pesce, Brett
4 025 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
3 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1

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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 05
#1
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@OldNYIfan could you help me out on the kings trade?
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 10
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I seen that hurricanes trade a few times now. I think it’s fairly even trade but overall hurricanes might regret it.
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 10
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See, someone understands the value of Pesce
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 13
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Quoting: Timmah007
I seen that hurricanes trade a few times now. I think it’s fairly even trade but overall hurricanes might regret it.


Ummmm.... no they would not. Hall for larsson 2.0

Nylander stays in Toronto. If they are interested in a shutdown Dman I would look at signing Hamonic and shedding salary in our bottom 6 where we have elc players ready to jump in.
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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 14
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Quoting: Caniac2000
See, someone understands the value of Pesce

It would be a short sighted move by toronto. Cheaper options available (asset wise)
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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 14
#6
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The LA trade is fine for the Kings; I think we would accept pretty quickly. I'm not sure it's best for Toronto, though. I'm not convinced that you need both Kempe and Lizotte. It just feels to me like you're adding to the left-handed middle-6-forward logjam you've got. Kempe is good at both LW and C but Lizotte has exclusively played C. However, if you had a place to send Johnsson, shifting them one slot over to the left and then putting them with Barabanov might work out really well.
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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 26
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Quoting: Timmah007
I seen that hurricanes trade a few times now. I think it’s fairly even trade but overall hurricanes might regret it.


Youre joking right? A dman thats been 3rd pairing (minutes and matchups) for a top line winger that just had a great season. The idea of this deal is laughable and even more comical that anyone would even think Pesce is worth more than NYlander
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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 29
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
@OldNYIfan could you help me out on the kings trade?


@MitchMarnerElite Can you help us out with your valuable input on these trades.
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 29
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Quoting: Sean4417
Youre joking right? A dman thats been 3rd pairing (minutes and matchups) for a top line winger that just had a great season. The idea of this deal is laughable and even more comical that anyone would even think Pesce is worth more than NYlander

It’s shocking some might value D more than wingers. Haha
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 29
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Quoting: Sean4417
Youre joking right? A dman thats been 3rd pairing (minutes and matchups) for a top line winger that just had a great season. The idea of this deal is laughable and even more comical that anyone would even think Pesce is worth more than NYlander


Pesce is a top 10 RD in the league, to say he's had bottom line matchups or minutes is comical. Futhermore, a 2nd line RW (he's not 1RW in Toronto, he wouldn't beat out Svech in Carolina) for someone like this is a horrible trade usually. The only reason Carolina may consider tthis is because of scoring woes. Just because you know nothing about Pesce doesn't make him 3rd pairing.
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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 33
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I'll be honest I like this, the bias in me suggests a touch more coming back from Carolina as pointed out it's a similar deal to the Hall Larsson swap - but it does balance out the roster
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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 34
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Pesce is a top 10 RD in the league, to say he's had bottom line matchups or minutes is comical. Futhermore, a 2nd line RW (he's not 1RW in Toronto, he wouldn't beat out Svech in Carolina) for someone like this is a horrible trade usually. The only reason Carolina may consider tthis is because of scoring woes. Just because you know nothing about Pesce doesn't make him 3rd pairing.


Pesce is a top 10 rdman in the league???? that statement alone is proof you have no clue what youre yapping about...
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6 jui 2020 à 14 h 35
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Quoting: Sean4417
Pesce is a top 10 rdman in the league???? that statement alone is proof you have no clue what youre yapping about...


The fact you deny it proves you have 0 clue what you're spewing sh*t about. Now, please shush, because Pesce is probably the best complete DFD in the NHL.
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 38
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Quoting: Timmah007
It’s shocking some might value D more than wingers. Haha


theres a big difference in value for a top line winger and a dman thats been a 3rd pairing guy (probably ready for an increased workload but still unproven). Would Montreal trade Domi for Holl or Dermott??? Not a chance.. but thats exactly the logic youre using, dip****!
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 42
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Quoting: Sean4417
theres a big difference in value for a top line winger and a dman thats been a 3rd pairing guy (probably ready for an increased workload but still unproven). Would Montreal trade Domi for Holl or Dermott??? Not a chance.. but thats exactly the logic youre using, dip****!


Haha difference in top line and top six.
6 jui 2020 à 14 h 56
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I would pass on Kempe and do (Roy+Lizotte) for (Kapenan + SDA+ Greenway). Already got conformation from some kings fans that it would work. With roy coming in no need to move Nylander and the lines become

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Lizotte-Barbanov
Clifford-Spezza-Engvall

Rielly-Roy
Muzzin-Holl
Lehtonen-Dermott

Leafs will have cap space and room for resignings.
6 jui 2020 à 20 h 02
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Quoting: Caniac2000
The fact you deny it proves you have 0 clue what you're spewing sh*t about. Now, please shush, because Pesce is probably the best complete DFD in the NHL.


He’s not even the best rh dfd in the league... not to mention the countless two way Rhd, shut down lhd and and two way lhd... and how about the skilled offensive Dmen?

Pesce is probably the third best Dman in Carolina. Do you seriously believe you have 3 of the top 10 Dmen in the league?
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6 jui 2020 à 20 h 16
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Quoting: Jamiepo
He’s not even the best rh dfd in the league... not to mention the countless two way Rhd, shut down lhd and and two way lhd... and how about the skilled offensive Dmen?

Pesce is probably the third best Dman in Carolina. Do you seriously believe you have 3 of the top 10 Dmen in the league?


I said top 10 RD. He's probably top 15 overall. Ignorance doesn't dominish his value
6 jui 2020 à 20 h 38
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Modifié 6 jui 2020 à 21 h 03
Quoting: Caniac2000
I said top 10 RD. He's probably top 15 overall. Ignorance doesn't dominish his value


Sorry I misread, but this idea of centring our players by handedness is ridiculous. It would be like calling out eh centres.

Rh dfd, yeah you could debate top 10. But that’s a really small chunk of the nhl.

I mean nylander is certainly top 3 Johnny bravo chin sweet flow rh winger in the nhl....
6 jui 2020 à 20 h 52
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Sorry I misread, but this idea of centring our players by handedness is ridiculous. It would be like calling out eh centres.

Rh dfd, yeah you could debate top 10. But that’s a really small chunk of the nhl.

I mean nylander is certainly top 3 Johnny bravo chin sweet flow eh winger in the nhl....


I mean in terms of complete RD, an all-around game, I have Pesce at 9th in the league among RD. He's honestly that good. Nylander is a hell of a player, but he's a 2RW (He's a 2RW in Toronto and he won't be out Svech for 2RW in Carolina). It's more of a reasonable trade than you think. Pesce plays 2nd pairing in Carolina *most* nights, it doesn't mean he's a 2nd pairing D man and I know you're gonna make the same point with Nylander. What I'm trying to say is that with Nylander, it's more than handedness. Pesce's left-hand equivalent is probably Slavin. Although Slavin is a little better with his shot, they're scarily similar everywhere else and that's what flies uder the radar. Would you trade Slavin for Nylander knowing how good Slavin is? If you say no, your bias is shining through. This is the kinda trade we're looking at, 1for1
6 jui 2020 à 21 h 02
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Quoting: Caniac2000
I mean in terms of complete RD, an all-around game, I have Pesce at 9th in the league among RD. He's honestly that good. Nylander is a hell of a player, but he's a 2RW (He's a 2RW in Toronto and he won't be out Svech for 2RW in Carolina). It's more of a reasonable trade than you think. Pesce plays 2nd pairing in Carolina *most* nights, it doesn't mean he's a 2nd pairing D man and I know you're gonna make the same point with Nylander. What I'm trying to say is that with Nylander, it's more than handedness. Pesce's left-hand equivalent is probably Slavin. Although Slavin is a little better with his shot, they're scarily similar everywhere else and that's what flies uder the radar. Would you trade Slavin for Nylander knowing how good Slavin is? If you say no, your bias is shining through. This is the kinda trade we're looking at, 1for1


I would certainly consider slavin. Doesn’t really fit if he can’t plat the right side. There are plenty of lhd in the league that play perfectly fine on the right.

Slavin in my opinion is miles ahead of Pesce. Pesce would maybe slip into my top 30 for rhd.

Quick edit, after thinking about it... maybe top 40.
6 jui 2020 à 21 h 17
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I would certainly consider slavin. Doesn’t really fit if he can’t plat the right side. There are plenty of lhd in the league that play perfectly fine on the right.

Slavin in my opinion is miles ahead of Pesce. Pesce would maybe slip into my top 30 for rhd.

Quick edit, after thinking about it... maybe top 40.


Then, with all due respect, you need to watch more of Pesce. I don't think there's a natural defender better than him in the NHL not named Nicklas Hjalmersson.
6 jui 2020 à 21 h 25
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Then, with all due respect, you need to watch more of Pesce. I don't think there's a natural defender better than him in the NHL not named Nicklas Hjalmersson.


I watch plenty of Pesce he’s solid defensively. But there’s more to the game than just that. As far as defensive rhd like I said he is a top 10ish.
7 jui 2020 à 11 h 11
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I watch plenty of Pesce he’s solid defensively. But there’s more to the game than just that. As far as defensive rhd like I said he is a top 10ish.


Again, no. He's the most complete DFD in hockey, and you need to watch more of him. He's a top 10 ALL AROUND defender. in terms of the right handed defenders.
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7 jui 2020 à 11 h 23
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Again, no. He's the most complete DFD in hockey, and you need to watch more of him. He's a top 10 ALL AROUND defender. in terms of the right handed defenders.


That said, whats your asking price on Warren Foegele, and Brett Pesce???
 
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