You said this and i told you, they can choose the most inconvenient teams, and leave Tampa with few viable options, everyone will have a cap problem coming up, the players have the upper hand. Tampa is going to have to make a trade that hurts

Easier said than done, dont know whos feeding you this, but sorry to burst your bubble. Flat cap makes this nearly impossible

Yeah they could do this, but that just screws themselves over even more... This isnt about the players forcing tampa to make a trade that hurts, this is about the players choosing which city they want to live in and which team they want to play for. Being petty and trying to pick 20 teams that are 'inconvenient' isnt going to stop tampa from trading them anyway. That would just result in a lower return for tampa and the players going to a city they dont want to go to. Its a lose-lose.

The majority of teams that are undesirable will be on the no trade list. Tampa is the only loser

Do you not understand that they can get their top choice of team if they waive their full NTC now rather than waiting a year and risking to go to their 20th ranked team?

Nah, many of us have done the math and its far from impossible. Sorry, but fans of Tampa have heard how gutted the team would be for 5 years now due to the cap. I'm sure you and the rest will be right thjs time though...Last year it was going to cost them to move someone like Miller or Gourde etc. Yeah that worked out well for the detractors. Point was a lock to take 9+ or an OS, fail again. Stamkos was as good as gone, strike 3. I can go on but what's the point, it doesn't matter to people that every year continue to guarantee us bolts fans that the team is definitely making a trade that hurts, losing their rfas to an OS or losing a ufa to free agency.

Yes, the flat cap causes some issues for many teams, but the loss of 2.5 to 3 million in cap isn't the end all be all so many on here think it is. Tampa may indeed lose a little value on what they would've received for Killorn or Johnson/Gourde(should one waive of course), but they won't be making a trade that "hurts". If Johnson doesn't wants to waive now, Tampa will easily move him next off season when there will be 21 teams they can negotiate with. If you really think Johnson, Palat or the year after, Gourde can squeeze Tampa with that many teams available, not sure what to tell you really.

Serg and Cirelli will be going nowhere. Cernak is not a sure thing, but Tampa could also keep him on a short term deal. Players know the situation and know they will likely have to take less now to remain with several top notch but cap constrained teams. Tampa has run this business model with all their top rfas as of late, and things have worked fine. Given the comments and seemingly positive dispositions of Serg and Cirelli regarding their future with Tampa, there's nothing to indicate that will change. So, sorry to ruin your narrative of Tampa not being able to move players or having to make a trade that hurts, but until these things happen, those of us with precedent on our side will continue to believe in Tampa getting the job done vs those who just know Tampa is getting hurt badly this time around because of the current cap situation. I'm sure one of these years people like you will finally be right though and of course you'll act like, see, told.you so, after being utterly wrong for the better part of a decade, cool.

Your math is based on the goodwill of players you used up and now want to cast aside. Good Luck

No they dont. You dont understand. Every team still has a cap. Most desirable teams can afford to take Tampa's cap dumps. Its an illusion of choice not free agency. You're getting fed complete crap based on hope. Their are few destinations available.

the oilers would love to have killorn but they simply can not afford him

Many teams can take on their cap. It's just a matter of which team will take them and if they are leaving Tampa this offseason or next offseason. They can choose a good team now or risk going to a bad team later. It's not that hard to understand

Edmonton has no cap space. They have 10.15M left of which 3M will go to qualify Athanasiou--he had a bad season (so far) and was traded but was a 30 goal scorer the year before so he'll get more than 3M in the end. Then they have Mike Green, Mike Smith, and 3 additional players to sign with 7M left.

And you want them to take on 4.45M for one player--the math simply doesn't work out.

Who? Colorado? you want to give up assets for cap dumps? Thats about it

I agree, Tampa doesn't have cap dumps as the players they may ask to waive all have value. Now if Johnson agrees to waive to a small number of teams this offseason(let's say 3-5), then Brisebois may not get as good of a return if he waits a year and there are 21 options. However, if Johnson decides to have more control over where he's going and likely get an increased role, who knows where he might be interested in going. The only real supposed info is that he doesn't want to go to Canada, and even that isn't confirmed. In this case, if Tampa had to retain slightly or not get full value/add a mid round pick in exchange for keeping Cirelli, Serg and Cernak, Brisebois likely pulls the trigger. Obviously there are limits to how much he'll give up, but a deal for Johnson should be workable with whomever he agrees to play for.

Exactly, he gets one of his top options now instead of a less desirable team later. May affect his trade value a bit but it makes sense for both the players and the team

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1784433

They are still productive forwards, not pure cap dumps. There are a couple of teams that may will be willing and able to take them. Maybe they won't be able to outright but I bet teams that are trying to be competitive will be willing to take them on and dump a different contract to another team to free up the space, just like EDM is dumping Russell here to be able to fit Killorn. VAN, PHI, DAL, COL, MIN, NSH, etc are some options

Killorn costs more than Russell and it still puts the onus on Tampa to trade him again. Why would NJ do that favor for a late 2nd. They know that hurts Tampa. Even the GMs are competing, when they can kick someone when theyre down, they'll do it. This is Toronto Maple Leaf fan theory, "were at the top of the league so everyone will do us favors because were good", thats not reality. If Tampa is feilding half an AHL team, that does the entire Eastern Conference a favor

Doesn't have to be NJD. Any team willing to take on extra cap for 1 year will be paid to do it. They are incentivized by the pick. Are you really arguing that no team is willing to take on any cap dumps right now?

Yes, there are quite a few teams that would be interested in any of Killorn, Johnson, Gourde or Palat. None is overpaid for what they bring to a team. This Shibbal is just one of many with the mindset of, "all 30 GM's are out to get Tampa, and none will work with them aside from offering pennies on the dollar etc etc" I've seen plenty of them on various sites, almost always fans of a division rival, a team thinking they will easily get Serg or Cirelli, or someone who always cries about how.unfair Tampa has it bc of taxes. They never understand how Tampa runs things and continually gets players to buy in to the elc-bridge-long term contract model. The only real difference this offseason that slightly complicates things is that the progression of Tampa's top elc's outpaced the relaxation of the most of the NTC's by a year. Other than that, the flat cap is not really the hindrance for them.

Maybe if the cap was going up, you would have a point, but GMs need to prepare for a 3 year flat cap, youre both delusional

Lol ok sure. If you think that no teams are willing to take on any cap at all, even with picks as incentives, then I don't know what to tell you. Russell's contract only has 1 year left anyway so it's not a long term risk. A majority of AGMs on this site involve trades with imbalanced cap hits. Why are you only targeting this one? Is it just because Tampa is a good team? A lot of BUF posts involve trading Ristolainen, Johansson, etc which is the same principle as TBL trading Killorn, Palat, etc. I dont understand why you are so adamant that nobody would take them when I have listed multiple teams that could

I dont have time to go through every post on here, but making Tampa fans sad by bring them back to reality is pretty satisfying, you just keep the conversation going by saying the same thing over and over again.

I only say the same thing over again because I have to keep explaining basic things to you because you cant comprehend that there are teams willing to add forwards like Killorn, Johnson, Palat, etc to their team. I find it funny how your logic only applies to TBL but when it comes to other teams you have no problem with them trading for or trading away cap dumps. Even your own AGM posts involve trading guys like Risto to teams like WPG and CGY and get little to no cap in return (plus you are expecting a 1st + another asset in return lol). How would they be able to take Risto's cap hit but not Killorn/Johnson/Palat's? And
how can you argue that teams wont take on players like Russell with big cap hits when they are being paid in picks to do so but you expect teams to give up a 1st+ for a guy like Risto with an even bigger cap hit with more term? Youre completely contradicting yourself

Yes and I keep having to remind you that I fully understand but its not their decisions, its the players decision and this whole phantom theory that they get to choose a better destination because they have a full no trade doesnt make sense because theyre not going to put teams on their trade list that they have 0 interest going to. Your theory is nonsensical.