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My Take on TBL Cap Crunch

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Have to ask a lot of players to waive NTC or submit their trade lists but its possible. Every single one of these trades involves a player with an NTC or M-NTC

Bridge deals ftw

This doesnt solve their cap problems, it just delays it for 1 more year. They will probably have to get rid of a couple big contracts in the 2021 offseason

Trade valuations may not be even, but a lot of it will depend on the NTCs and trade lists, so they may not get the same return they would otherwise
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
21 000 000 $
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  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (COL)
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  1. Palat, Ondrej
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assuming he waives his NTC
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MIN gets younger and gets a serviceable 2C with a pick for taking on the extra cap hit and retaining
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  1. Killorn, Alex
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (TBL)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (TBL)
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TBL
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (COL)
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5 juill. 2020 à 19 h 52
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Minnesota wants Cirelli so I really don't see them making Tampa's life easier by taking Johnson and a 21 1st even though I see the value.
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Palat Would be the top target from Tampa.
If the price was cheap enough on killorn I guess they could do it but shouldn’t be a top priority move
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doesn't look like that would work. you under paid their star players. I think they would rather wait for an offersheet than sign those contracts.

avs pass. probably can't afford palat after raises to makar and landeskog. can't see tampa helping a rival like that. another team will take that deal though.

can't see why tampa takes russel as a dump only to move him again. just let the oilers deal with him. you're paying them enough to anyway.
5 juill. 2020 à 20 h 4
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Palat and Johnson say no. Killorn possibly goes to edmonton, but Edmonton doesnt have spare cap space, so that puts more pressure on them
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Minnesota wants Cirelli so I really don't see them making Tampa's life easier by taking Johnson and a 21 1st even though I see the value.


yeah fair enough, if Cirelli signs a bridge deal with TBL before free agency maybe this could be a possibility?
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Palat Would be the top target from Tampa.
If the price was cheap enough on killorn I guess they could do it but shouldn’t be a top priority move


Id be ok with either of the two
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Id be ok with either of the two


All depends on price, if that was all the market was providing that was reasonable. Avs should snag up one of them but getting a domi reinhart etc winger yo fit the core age group should be the main target
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yeah fair enough, if Cirelli signs a bridge deal with TBL before free agency maybe this could be a possibility?


I don't see it as likely, Johnson's NTC means the Wild would have to protect him at the expense of another player in the expansion draft, and he ties up 5 million for the next 4 years so that could cause problems when it comes time to re-sign Fiala and Kaprizov. When the Wild signed Zuccarello they kinda screwed themselves.
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doesn't look like that would work. you under paid their star players. I think they would rather wait for an offersheet than sign those contracts.

avs pass. probably can't afford palat after raises to makar and landeskog. can't see tampa helping a rival like that. another team will take that deal though.

can't see why tampa takes russel as a dump only to move him again. just let the oilers deal with him. you're paying them enough to anyway.


they are "underpaid" as bridge deals, not long term. Sergachev's deal is comparable to McAvoyss 4.9x3 extension, and Cirelli's deal was based on Domi and Hertl bridge deals but with an increased AAV. I guess it falls somewhere between Domi and Johansen's bridge deals. I think they are both fair. Many people overestimate their value since all everyone posts about them is offersheets for way more than they are worth

Avs have lots of options cap-wise. They could easily find a way to keep Palat, Landeskog, and Makar. COL and TBL arent rivals so Idk what you mean by that. They are in completely different conferences anyway so they minimize the # of games they play against Palat. Thats best case scenario for them, especially since they need Palat to waive his NTC and cant be too picky with it.

Killorn has a 16 team no trade list so they cant be picky about this trade either. Not many teams can take on roughly 4.5M for Killorn so they dont have much leverage once they find a suitor. If they dont take Russell then EDM cant afford Killorn and TBL is back to square one trying to find another team to take him. Pulj is also super valuable due to his high ceiling and an expected very low cap hit.
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All depends on price, if that was all the market was providing that was reasonable. Avs should snag up one of them but getting a domi reinhart etc winger yo fit the core age group should be the main target


I agree a higher quality player would be better, but that also comes with a much higher price tag (both contract and in a trade). Really depends on how much we would have to give up and if BUF or MTL are even willing to move them. Ive gotten mixed responses from BUF fans about Reinharts availability and value, and tbh I dont like making MTL trades on here cause they have so many annoying fans I dont want to deal with. But if we can get one of them for a good price then id be all over it
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they are "underpaid" as bridge deals, not long term. Sergachev's deal is comparable to McAvoyss 4.9x3 extension, and Cirelli's deal was based on Domi and Hertl bridge deals but with an increased AAV. I guess it falls somewhere between Domi and Johansen's bridge deals. I think they are both fair. Many people overestimate their value since all everyone posts about them is offersheets for way more than they are worth

Avs have lots of options cap-wise. They could easily find a way to keep Palat, Landeskog, and Makar. COL and TBL arent rivals so Idk what you mean by that. They are in completely different conferences anyway so they minimize the # of games they play against Palat. Thats best case scenario for them, especially since they need Palat to waive his NTC and cant be too picky with it.

Killorn has a 16 team no trade list so they cant be picky about this trade either. Not many teams can take on roughly 4.5M for Killorn so they dont have much leverage once they find a suitor. If they dont take Russell then EDM cant afford Killorn and TBL is back to square one trying to find another team to take him. Pulj is also super valuable due to his high ceiling and an expected very low cap hit.


mcavoy was a steal I wouldn't count on sergachev signing that. cirelli is a much better player than domi. if I was their agent I'd hold out for an offersheet knowing the position tampa is in.

tampa and colorado are rivals in the sense they are both going for the cup and could meet in the finals.

I get your explaniation now that you explained the killorn deal. I'd have to think edmonton is on most players ntc especially if they get 16 teams. It's a steep price for tampa though
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I don't see it as likely, Johnson's NTC means the Wild would have to protect him at the expense of another player in the expansion draft, and he ties up 5 million for the next 4 years so that could cause problems when it comes time to re-sign Fiala and Kaprizov. When the Wild signed Zuccarello they kinda screwed themselves.


Correct me if im wrong but Im pretty sure you dont have to protect Johnson in the expansion draft. He has a NTC not NMC, and depending on the day of the expansion draft in June 2021 he may have a M-NTC instead (his full NTC becomes a M-NTC with a 20 team trade list on June 15th, 2021. But I do get where you are coming from with the cap hit - I thought a 1st could convince you guys to eat the 5M x 4 but if not then TBL will have to look elsewhere
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mcavoy was a steal I wouldn't count on sergachev signing that. cirelli is a much better player than domi. if I was their agent I'd hold out for an offersheet knowing the position tampa is in.

tampa and colorado are rivals in the sense they are both going for the cup and could meet in the finals.

I get your explaniation now that you explained the killorn deal. I'd have to think edmonton is on most players ntc especially if they get 16 teams. It's a steep price for tampa though


He definitely could hold out for an offersheet. He could probably get more elsewhere but at the same time I think there is value in staying with tampa with the low tax rates and chance to win a cup

Fair enough, but just like the Killorn deal TBL cant be too picky. Palat has a full NTC so unless TBL is willing to trade him somewhere that he finds desirable then they may just be stuck with him
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I agree a higher quality player would be better, but that also comes with a much higher price tag (both contract and in a trade). Really depends on how much we would have to give up and if BUF or MTL are even willing to move them. Ive gotten mixed responses from BUF fans about Reinharts availability and value, and tbh I dont like making MTL trades on here cause they have so many annoying fans I dont want to deal with. But if we can get one of them for a good price then id be all over it


I agree with the value for both Domi and Reinhart, its too tiring to get into those trade value convos on this site....but was more of example of the level and age fo the player that is the target. Could be for Columbus Josh Anderson who has shown he can be a 25g 45-50point guy
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Palat and Johnson say no. Killorn possibly goes to edmonton, but Edmonton doesnt have spare cap space, so that puts more pressure on them


My reasoning for Palat was that he has a full NTC only until July 1st, 2021, where he has to give a 20 team trade list. I think he may rather be traded to a good team now rather than waiting a year and then having the possibility of being dealt to the 11th worst team in the league.

My reasoning for Johnson was similar since his NTC also changes to a 20 team trade list on June 15th, 2021, but I think a bigger appeal for him is that he could get a chance to be the top line C, likely centering Fiala and Kaprizov. It could turn out to be a good position for him, though I do understand why he would also want to stick with TBL another year (but this could backfire and he could be dealt somewhere he finds less desirable later on).

EDM could fit him since Russell is being dumped, could be a tight squeeze though
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My reasoning for Palat was that he has a full NTC only until July 1st, 2021, where he has to give a 20 team trade list. I think he may rather be traded to a good team now rather than waiting a year and then having the possibility of being dealt to the 11th worst team in the league.

My reasoning for Johnson was similar since his NTC also changes to a 20 team trade list on June 15th, 2021, but I think a bigger appeal for him is that he could get a chance to be the top line C, likely centering Fiala and Kaprizov. It could turn out to be a good position for him, though I do understand why he would also want to stick with TBL another year (but this could backfire and he could be dealt somewhere he finds less desirable later on).

EDM could fit him since Russell is being dumped, could be a tight squeeze though


They could wait till next year and do the same thing, if they're waiving NTCs anyway. Makes no sense for them to do it now
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They could wait till next year and do the same thing, if they're waiving NTCs anyway. Makes no sense for them to do it now


if they wait until next year then they risk being traded to a much less desirable team. If they waive now they have full control over which teams they can be traded to
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if they wait until next year then they risk being traded to a much less desirable team. If they waive now they have full control over which teams they can be traded to


They both have a 20 team no trade, the chance that a least desirable team is left in the last 11 (including Seattle) is minimal
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They both have a 20 team no trade, the chance that a least desirable team is left in the last 11 (including Seattle) is minimal


20 team trade list, not 20 team no-trade list. they could easily be dealt to an undesirable team if they stayed
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20 team trade list, not 20 team no-trade list. they could easily be dealt to an undesirable team if they stayed


Still, submit all of the top 20 teams 16-18 cant afford to take a cap dump any way in a flat cap, possibly all 20 by next year. They have the upper hand
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Still, submit all of the top 20 teams 16-18 cant afford to take a cap dump any way in a flat cap, possibly all 20 by next year. They have the upper hand


That seems like a dick move tbh. Why would they risk it just to play 1 extra year in tampa with management who doesnt even want you there? Seems like a much better situation for everyone if they just get dealt to one of their top choices now rather than their 20th choice next season
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That seems like a dick move tbh. Why would they risk it just to play 1 extra year in tampa with management who doesnt even want you there? Seems like a much better situation for everyone if they just get dealt to one of their top choices now rather than their 20th choice next season


Tampa is a top teir team, with 0 state taxes, considerably lower federal taxes than canada, and one of the highest qualities of living for any city in the league. Why would you want to move
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Tampa is a top teir team, with 0 state taxes, considerably lower federal taxes than canada, and one of the highest qualities of living for any city in the league. Why would you want to move


Tampa is great but even if they hold out this year they will be dealt the following year. They lose out on 1 year in Tampa to get a more desirable team for the remainder of their contract.
2 options could be:
A) decline to waive the NTC and stay with Tampa throughout 20-21 season, then get traded to your 20th choice team and stay there until your contract expires
B) waive the NTC in 20-21, get traded to your top choice besides Tampa and remain there until your contract expires.

Not saying they will waive for sure, but there are definitely benefits of them doing so. Not sure how much more clear I can make it for you
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I don't see it as likely, Johnson's NTC means the Wild would have to protect him at the expense of another player in the expansion draft, and he ties up 5 million for the next 4 years so that could cause problems when it comes time to re-sign Fiala and Kaprizov. When the Wild signed Zuccarello they kinda screwed themselves.


They would not have to protect Johnson in the ed, as it's a ntc, not an nmc. He also has just 1 year left until it becomes modified ntc, so if a team wanted to move him, it wouldn't be difficult. Doesn't matter as he has more value than this trade, and Tampa wouldn't trade him and a 1st for Staal in any case.
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Tampa is great but even if they hold out this year they will be dealt the following year. They lose out on 1 year in Tampa to get a more desirable team for the remainder of their contract.
2 options could be:
A) decline to waive the NTC and stay with Tampa throughout 20-21 season, then get traded to your 20th choice team and stay there until your contract expires
B) waive the NTC in 20-21, get traded to your top choice besides Tampa and remain there until your contract expires.

Not saying they will waive for sure, but there are definitely benefits of them doing so. Not sure how much more clear I can make it for you


100% agree with you. This is what many of us in Tampa believe re: Johnson this off season and potentially Gourde the next. Johnson gets much more control over where he wants to go now and Tampa clears one if the 3 guys they need to. Your bridge values are good imo, although I think Cirelli and Cernak will come in a little lower(each around 250-500k less) based on previous Tampa bridge deals on comparable players. Both Cirellu and Serg are very happy here, and neither has indicated even the slightest hint of wanting to leave Tampa for a dump via OS. I don't think Tampa moves Palat at all, and both Killorn and Johnson have better value than these trades. Tampa moves Killorn for like a 2nd+bottom 6 elc type/ b prospect or 3rd, and Johnson should fetch a 2nd or 3rd. They move Paquette for a lowe pick(4th probably) and add a mid pick to Coburn and move him. These moves allow them to run a 22 player roster to start and ljkely keep all 3 rfas. Buying out one if Gourde or Johnson would be a last ditch resort but would would ok free up enough cap to keep Cirelli and Serg, maybe not Cernak though.
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