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Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 3 juill. 2020
Publié: 3 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Trades:
The team is not only able to convince guys like Palat and Johnson to waive their NTC’s, but are also able to find willing trade partners that will give up mid-to-late round draft picks without sending any contracts back to Tampa.

TBL get to keep the players they really want but still take a bit of a hit on their forward depth.

Signings:
All of Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak take shorter team-friendly deals and hope to cash in on their next contracts, and are also able to bring back Shatty and Maroon on cheap 1-year deals.
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3 juill. 2020 à 21 h 55
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That's a whole 2nd line you're losing, quite a "best case" scenario!

Avs accept that trade, good value. I don't think he'll be quite THAT cheap, probably more like a 2nd or 2nd + 3rd sort of range.
3 juill. 2020 à 22 h 14
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Palat is not worth 5 million per.
And no team is taking that on for 2 years without a sweetener. The guy hasn't cracked 20 goals since forever. Even if this year was is best year in a long time. No one is paying 5.3 million for that.
You'd be better off if there was a chance he'd sit on LTIR all season.
3 juill. 2020 à 22 h 37
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Palat is not worth 5 million per.
And no team is taking that on for 2 years without a sweetener. The guy hasn't cracked 20 goals since forever. Even if this year was is best year in a long time. No one is paying 5.3 million for that.
You'd be better off if there was a chance he'd sit on LTIR all season.


And you're wrong as usual.

The guy was in pace for almost 50 points on a full season. Even at $5,3M Palat is easily worth a 2nd.

If something, the OP has lowballed the offers.

Killer will bring a 2nd+3rd via trade easily.

Palat should cover a 2nd, and Johnson a 3rd.
3 juill. 2020 à 22 h 43
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And you're wrong as usual.

The guy was in pace for almost 50 points on a full season. Even at $5,3M Palat is easily worth a 2nd.

If something, the OP has lowballed the offers.

Killer will bring a 2nd+3rd via trade easily.

Palat should cover a 2nd, and Johnson a 3rd.


nope. Not worth 5.3 million. Good luck with that. Injury prone, less than 20 goal scorer....Hell it would be one thing if he had 1 year left and someone took a chance on him. But it's 2 years, in a cap strapped world. No one is just taking that.
3 juill. 2020 à 22 h 46
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nope. Not worth 5.3 million. Good luck with that. Injury prone, less than 20 goal scorer....Hell it would be one thing if he had 1 year left and someone took a chance on him. But it's 2 years, in a cap strapped world. No one is just taking that.


Ngl for a 2nd rounder pretty much any team with the cap space (ARI DAL, COL, FLA for instance) would jump on it. Solid ~50 point wingers aren't that usual, and $5M is pretty far from overpaid. That amount is quite commonplace.

Different thing is whether he'd waive for these teams.
3 juill. 2020 à 22 h 46
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I think that if Cirelli and Sergachev take discounts, it won't be for 3 years. Two Years, max.
3 juill. 2020 à 22 h 58
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Ngl for a 2nd rounder pretty much any team with the cap space (ARI DAL, COL, FLA for instance) would jump on it. Solid ~50 point wingers aren't that usual, and $5M is pretty far from overpaid. That amount is quite commonplace.

Different thing is whether he'd waive for these teams.


Neither Arizona nor Dallas have cap space for Palat. Arizona has only $2 million in cap room with 6 slots left to fill, including Hinostroza and Lyubushkin to re-sign and without reference to Hall. Dallas has $19.5 million with 8 slots to fill, including Faksa, Gurianov and Hintz. Adding Palat would give them $14.2 million for 7 players, which would make for some discomfort now and make the 2021 off-season even more of a challenge. Florida is a possibility, but the Panthers are trying to cut payroll.
3 juill. 2020 à 23 h 2
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Ngl for a 2nd rounder pretty much any team with the cap space (ARI DAL, COL, FLA for instance) would jump on it. Solid ~50 point wingers aren't that usual, and $5M is pretty far from overpaid. That amount is quite commonplace.

Different thing is whether he'd waive for these teams.


https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2020/caphit/all/rightwing?limits=points-50-130
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2020/caphit/all/leftwing?limits=points-50-130

by far, he'd be the most over paid winger on a list of wingers who net 50 points. Not that he even hit 50 pts this year, he wasn't even on pace too.
He's seriously over paid.
3 juill. 2020 à 23 h 45
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Neither Arizona nor Dallas have cap space for Palat. Arizona has only $2 million in cap room with 6 slots left to fill, including Hinostroza and Lyubushkin to re-sign and without reference to Hall. Dallas has $19.5 million with 8 slots to fill, including Faksa, Gurianov and Hintz. Adding Palat would give them $14.2 million for 7 players, which would make for some discomfort now and make the 2021 off-season even more of a challenge. Florida is a possibility, but the Panthers are trying to cut payroll.


ARI is a bit circumstantial. They have the cap space if they won't re-sign Hall.

As a DAL fan I know that they have the cap space for Palat if necessary, but it's likely that the team will first cover the D problem rather than acquire another winger.

FLA and COL are decent possibilities. I'd take nothing FLA say with face value since their way of doing things every month lol...
3 juill. 2020 à 23 h 49
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https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2020/caphit/all/rightwing?limits=points-50-130
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2020/caphit/all/leftwing?limits=points-50-130

by far, he'd be the most over paid winger on a list of wingers who net 50 points. Not that he even hit 50 pts this year, he wasn't even on pace too.
He's seriously over paid.


Accurate amount was 48 points, rounder it upwards.

Aside from his injuries, I still believe that his contract is reasonable. Granted there's cheaper players, but at the end of the day no UFA of his caliber would sign any less than what he is due for the next two years (also a good point to note as his contract wouldn't break the bank long-term).

Also btw those lists of yours have a big issue. They show only the star caliber players that managed to score that 50 points in 70 games or below. I'm talking about a full season here.

41 points in 69 games is still quite well. Not good as those but as I said those lists are flawed.
3 juill. 2020 à 23 h 52
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Ngl for a 2nd rounder pretty much any team with the cap space (ARI DAL, COL, FLA for instance) would jump on it. Solid ~50 point wingers aren't that usual, and $5M is pretty far from overpaid. That amount is quite commonplace.

Different thing is whether he'd waive for these teams.


Agreed, but I don’t think Tampa is looking to move him anyway. They’ll move Killorn, Paquette and one of Gourde or Johnson. The OP has built the team for next year badly, as Cernak is overpaid, Rutta will be kept far more cheaply than Shattenkirk, who is not returning. Coburn is also either moved with a sweetener or bought out if necessary. He has Stephens as a scratch when he’s likely the 3C, and Maroon on the 2nd line, which would never happen. Tampa will likely run 22 players as well, and the trade values are also terrible. This is a “best case scenario” from someone who doesn’t understand or follow Tampa at all, or is a fan of a rival that wants to see Tampa crumble. In either case, this is nothing like how Tampa’s off season will likely turn out.
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3 juill. 2020 à 23 h 53
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Agreed, but I don’t think Tampa is looking to move him anyway. They’ll move Killorn, Paquette and one of Gourde or Johnson. The OP has built the team for next year badly, as Cernak is overpaid, Rutta will be kept far more cheaply than Shattenkirk, who is not returning. Coburn is also either moved with a sweetener or bought out if necessary. He has Stephens as a scratch when he’s likely the 3C, and Maroon on the 2nd line, which would never happen. Tampa will likely run 22 players as well, and the trade values are also terrible. This is a “best case scenario” from someone who doesn’t understand or follow Tampa at all, or is a fan of a rival that wants to see Tampa crumble. In either case, this is nothing like how Tampa’s off season will likely turn out.


Yeah honestly I don't think TB has any reason to move the guy.
4 juill. 2020 à 10 h 16
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Why would Johnson leave Tampa for Minnesota and Palat for LA? Both easily decline it's going to be a lot harder to move full NTC like Johnson and Palat only Killorn has a movable contract right now.
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4 juill. 2020 à 14 h 44
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Accurate amount was 48 points, rounder it upwards.

Aside from his injuries, I still believe that his contract is reasonable. Granted there's cheaper players, but at the end of the day no UFA of his caliber would sign any less than what he is due for the next two years (also a good point to note as his contract wouldn't break the bank long-term).

Also btw those lists of yours have a big issue. They show only the star caliber players that managed to score that 50 points in 70 games or below. I'm talking about a full season here.

41 points in 69 games is still quite well. Not good as those but as I said those lists are flawed.


there is nothing flawed with the list. I took guys who score 50+ points and that's it every winger in the NHL who is a 50 pt player this year.
Notice how like 95% of them are 20+ goal scorers. He's not. He's vastly over paid for what he brings. His contract value should be in the 3 range.
4 juill. 2020 à 18 h 12
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there is nothing flawed with the list. I took guys who score 50+ points and that's it every winger in the NHL who is a 50 pt player this year.
Notice how like 95% of them are 20+ goal scorers. He's not. He's vastly over paid for what he brings. His contract value should be in the 3 range.


Fool. If Palat truly was 50 point player during a 70 game season, he'd instantly become worth 1st+ and so on. This is what I never claimed.

In order to achieve that amount of points in 70 games, your PPG would have to be over 0,71, which would translate to a minimum of 58 points during a full season. There were roughly 50 wingers in the league that was in this pace. But these are the best wingers in the league, and I never claimed he is that. I said that he's worth a 2nd. See the major flaw now?

Palat's PPG is 0,59. He ranks around 70-75th amonst wingers with that result. Also btw on a full season he was just over 20 goal pace...
4 juill. 2020 à 18 h 50
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Fool. If Palat truly was 50 point player during a 70 game season, he'd instantly become worth 1st+ and so on. This is what I never claimed.

In order to achieve that amount of points in 70 games, your PPG would have to be over 0,71, which would translate to a minimum of 58 points during a full season. There were roughly 50 wingers in the league that was in this pace. But these are the best wingers in the league, and I never claimed he is that. I said that he's worth a 2nd. See the major flaw now?

Palat's PPG is 0,59. He ranks around 70-75th amonst wingers with that result. Also btw on a full season he was just over 20 goal pace...


he's been in the league how many years not not cracked that mark? Just go ahead and go count.

And I don't know why you keep talking about worth a 1st.....

What I have said. And I keep telling you this but it's not sinking into your head. Is that he's not worth 5.3 million per year.
Period.

Which is why no team is rushing out to get him.
You can do soooooo much better with 5.3 mil in cap space right now.
I don't know why you can't grasp that.
4 juill. 2020 à 18 h 55
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he's been in the league how many years not not cracked that mark? Just go ahead and go count.

And I don't know why you keep talking about worth a 1st.....

What I have said. And I keep telling you this but it's not sinking into your head. Is that he's not worth 5.3 million per year.
Period.

Which is why no team is rushing out to get him.
You can do soooooo much better with 5.3 mil in cap space right now.
I don't know why you can't grasp that.


Last time was in 2017. Then again that was the latest full season he had. His level hasn't exactly dropped from there.

I do acknowledge the fact that theoritecally you could have a better use for that money, but I'm still strongly against the claim he's overpaid. He is not. He's getting a regular amount of money a player like him deserves...
4 juill. 2020 à 19 h 16
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Last time was in 2017. Then again that was the latest full season he had. His level hasn't exactly dropped from there.

I do acknowledge the fact that theoritecally you could have a better use for that money, but I'm still strongly against the claim he's overpaid. He is not. He's getting a regular amount of money a player like him deserves...


RW making 5 million-6million range.

Dustin Brown at 34...clearly aged out, signed after what 2 cup wins?
Cam Atkinson 30 - 40 goal player
Brock Boese, he's no Boese
T.J. Oshie nope.
James Neal considered one of the worst deals in the league.
Jordan Eberle consistant 20 goal scorer.
Gustav Nyquist again consistant 20 goal guy
Travis Konecny yeah nope
Teuvo Teräväinen again nope
Patric Hörnqvist still puts up better numbers but is considered a bad contract at this point.
And then there is Ondrej Palat
Followed by Silfverberg, wilson, Hoffman...all better players.
Yanni Gourde not even going there on that one.
Wayne Simmonds who only got a 1 year deal and is washed.
Reilly Smith yeah nope again.
Josh Bailey who signed on a high of 70 points and is another guy probably over paid.


So yeah, come tell me he belongs in that group.
He doesn't. He's over paid.

You can count him as one of the bad contracts in that list. Yet you think people are rushing out to give you something for him when trying to move him. you are high.
Much like the penguins and Bjugstad. You should lower your bar on your expected return. Maybe a team out there will take a run at him if there isn't much cost involved. But I don't think anyone wants to carry that cap hit for 2 years instead of a 1 shot deal. 5.3 million for his production is not a good deal for any team. And if he can't produce better in TB WTF is it going to be like on a team that isn't stacked with talent? No thanks.
 
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